PetermansRedemption Posted March 31, 2019 Share Posted March 31, 2019 40 minutes ago, /dev/null said: stadium in Salt Lake is almost empty If the league survives they may want to relocate the Stallions to Portland, or Boise, or maybe go international with Vancouver Unless they can convince the NFLPA to loan them practice squad players I don’t think the league has any chance of survival. And this is coming from an alliance fan who has watched at least 1-2 games per week. I like it, but I can see how the market is only for the most die hard of football fans right now. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PromoTheRobot Posted March 31, 2019 Author Share Posted March 31, 2019 1 hour ago, /dev/null said: stadium in Salt Lake is almost empty If the league survives they may want to relocate the Stallions to Portland, or Boise, or maybe go international with Vancouver Or how about all the teams to Texas cities? The one place that seems to care Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chandler#81 Posted March 31, 2019 Share Posted March 31, 2019 That game took ridiculously long to end. Entertaining though.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PetermansRedemption Posted March 31, 2019 Share Posted March 31, 2019 7 minutes ago, PromoTheRobot said: Or how about all the teams to Texas cities? The one place that seems to care The success of San Antonio has far more to do with the city than the state of Texas. 6th or 7th largest city in the country with only one professional sports team, the San Antonio Spurs. Austin is, I believe, the 11th largest city in the country and has zero major professional sports teams. Austin is located an hour from San Antonio, less of you are in the southern suburbs. That area is starved for a professional sports team. There is absolutely zero chance an NFL franchise wouldn’t flourish in San Antonio either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
/dev/null Posted March 31, 2019 Share Posted March 31, 2019 1 hour ago, Bills2ref said: Unless they can convince the NFLPA to loan them practice squad players I don’t think the league has any chance of survival. And this is coming from an alliance fan who has watched at least 1-2 games per week. I like it, but I can see how the market is only for the most die hard of football fans right now. i'm with you. it's entertaining football but isn't going to get the exposure needed to expand it's fan base outside of football geeks like us Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
/dev/null Posted March 31, 2019 Share Posted March 31, 2019 Playoff implications for Sunday's Week 8 games Atlanta @ Birmingham: Birmingham win sets the Eastern conference playoff at Birmingham @ Orlando Arizona @ San Antonio: San Antonio win clinches home field in the Western conference playoff with Arizona having the inside track on the second Western playoff spot. Arizona win ties them with San Antonio for first in the division, leaving San Diego and Salt Lake on the cusp of elimination. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted March 31, 2019 Share Posted March 31, 2019 ...how or why does one pony up $250 mil and we're talking life support two weeks later?......paging Charles Schwab...SMH............ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted March 31, 2019 Share Posted March 31, 2019 17 hours ago, Bills2ref said: Unless they can convince the NFLPA to loan them practice squad players I don’t think the league has any chance of survival. And this is coming from an alliance fan who has watched at least 1-2 games per week. I like it, but I can see how the market is only for the most die hard of football fans right now. The practice squad players are not the NFLPA's to "loan". They have no control over what their players do. Any PS player is free to leave and sign with the AAF. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
That's No Moon Posted March 31, 2019 Share Posted March 31, 2019 35 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said: The practice squad players are not the NFLPA's to "loan". They have no control over what their players do. Any PS player is free to leave and sign with the AAF. They sure are, but that doesn't solve the AAF problem. They need the NFLPA to agree to allow NFL teams to loan players to the AAF so the AAF can reduce their overall wage bill. Basically, the AAF needs the NFL to subsidize its labor costs and the players need to agree to be used that way and they haven't done that and, honestly I can't blame them. What are the terms of the actual deal the AAF is proposing? Is it worth it financially for a fringe player to risk injury? Who is responsible for medical care the NFL team with resources or the broke AAF team? How about long term disability? Does time playing in the AAF as a loaned player count as service time toward earning an NFL pension? There are a lot of issues and these are only a handful. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted March 31, 2019 Share Posted March 31, 2019 ...somehow I think the ONLY successful football merger we will see in our lifetime is the NFL-AFL in 1970.......NFL has become a $12+ BILLION dollar cash cow and doesn't need to be bothered with these "frivolities"....how many years have MLB and NHL had extensive minor league developmental systems?......and the NFL has??.....perhaps NCAA was thought to be their "developmental league (free of charge).......but the focus of college ball is butts in the seats, happy happy megabucks boosters and mega million dollar bowl payouts versus getting players "pro ready" for the NFL style game......probably dead wrong and too old, but don't see it changing any time soon.....instead, they'll be focusing on the strong potential for labor strife when CBA expires...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted March 31, 2019 Share Posted March 31, 2019 1 hour ago, That's No Moon said: They sure are, but that doesn't solve the AAF problem. They need the NFLPA to agree to allow NFL teams to loan players to the AAF so the AAF can reduce their overall wage bill. Basically, the AAF needs the NFL to subsidize its labor costs and the players need to agree to be used that way and they haven't done that and, honestly I can't blame them. What are the terms of the actual deal the AAF is proposing? Is it worth it financially for a fringe player to risk injury? Who is responsible for medical care the NFL team with resources or the broke AAF team? How about long term disability? Does time playing in the AAF as a loaned player count as service time toward earning an NFL pension? There are a lot of issues and these are only a handful. The players are employees of the team, not the NFLPA. If if they wanted son of their members to go to the AAF (clearly they do not), they can no more dictate where players play than any union can tell which assembly plant they have to go work at. the AAF players have their medical insurance covered by their league. The AAF has nothing to offer the NFL, except a money pit for NFL owner dollars to be tossed into. Obviously they will watch yet another pro league come and go. The market has AGAIN spoken on the issue of non-NFL leagues. They are doomed for lack of interest. A football crazed nation has decided this is one type of football it won’t watch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
/dev/null Posted March 31, 2019 Share Posted March 31, 2019 18 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said: the AAF players have their medical insurance covered by their league. But what happens to the insurance when the league folds Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PromoTheRobot Posted March 31, 2019 Author Share Posted March 31, 2019 Birmingham got boned by a replay overturning a TD. Guy was clearly inbounds. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted March 31, 2019 Share Posted March 31, 2019 51 minutes ago, /dev/null said: But what happens to the insurance when the league folds Same as for the rest of us. No more job, no more employee sponsored health insurance. Every player would be able, by law, to keep his same plan for 18 months but he would have to contribute the entire premium. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted March 31, 2019 Share Posted March 31, 2019 3 hours ago, Mr. WEO said: The practice squad players are not the NFLPA's to "loan". They have no control over what their players do. Any PS player is free to leave and sign with the AAF. ...quite the screwed up proposal, isn't it?....how could the NFLPA under the CBA dictate to a team about loaning player(s) to the AAF?......what if my potentially promising PS guy that I'm forced to "loan" to the AAF tears up his ACL/MCL as is DONE?......what's my compensation, a sympathy note?......asinine IMO... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PetermansRedemption Posted March 31, 2019 Share Posted March 31, 2019 1 hour ago, OldTimeAFLGuy said: ...quite the screwed up proposal, isn't it?....how could the NFLPA under the CBA dictate to a team about loaning player(s) to the AAF?......what if my potentially promising PS guy that I'm forced to "loan" to the AAF tears up his ACL/MCL as is DONE?......what's my compensation, a sympathy note?......asinine IMO... I don’t think this is the premise at all. Nfl teams wouldn’t be forced to loan their players at all, they would be given the option to develop them that way. Right now that isn’t even an option for teams because the NFLPA would never allow it. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PromoTheRobot Posted April 1, 2019 Author Share Posted April 1, 2019 (edited) 1 hour ago, Bills2ref said: I don’t think this is the premise at all. Nfl teams wouldn’t be forced to loan their players at all, they would be given the option to develop them that way. Right now that isn’t even an option for teams because the NFLPA would never allow it. The NFLPA says that if a team makes a "suggestion" like go play in the AAF, the player really doesn't have a choice. Edited April 1, 2019 by PromoTheRobot Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted April 1, 2019 Share Posted April 1, 2019 If you are an NFL player you’d NEVER go risk your health in the minor leagues. Your contracts aren’t guaranteed as it is. Even if you are a guy that’s fighting to stay in the league it’s a bad idea. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PetermansRedemption Posted April 1, 2019 Share Posted April 1, 2019 46 minutes ago, PromoTheRobot said: The NFLPA says that if a team makes a "suggestion" like go play in the AAF, the player really doesn't have a choice. Sure they do. They can refuse to go, become a free agent, and are free to sign a contract with a team that doesn’t want to use the AAF as a developmental league. You always have a choice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PromoTheRobot Posted April 1, 2019 Author Share Posted April 1, 2019 16 hours ago, Bills2ref said: Sure they do. They can refuse to go, become a free agent, and are free to sign a contract with a team that doesn’t want to use the AAF as a developmental league. You always have a choice. Yes. You can choose unemployment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
That's No Moon Posted April 1, 2019 Share Posted April 1, 2019 23 hours ago, Mr. WEO said: The players are employees of the team, not the NFLPA. If if they wanted son of their members to go to the AAF (clearly they do not), they can no more dictate where players play than any union can tell which assembly plant they have to go work at. the AAF players have their medical insurance covered by their league. The AAF has nothing to offer the NFL, except a money pit for NFL owner dollars to be tossed into. Obviously they will watch yet another pro league come and go. The market has AGAIN spoken on the issue of non-NFL leagues. They are doomed for lack of interest. A football crazed nation has decided this is one type of football it won’t watch. I'm aware of who they are employees of but they have a collectively bargained labor agreement that, amongst other things, dictates working rules. Nothing in the current CBA provides for players to be loaned, by their club, to another league. I'm also aware the the AAF has it's own medical for it's own players. What about a player on loan who has an NFL contract? Does the player still have access to his NFL team's doctors in case of injury? Does that insurance carry over or do they then have AAF coverage and doctors? Are those things the same? if not, again, why would the NFLPA agree to this change to the CBA? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PromoTheRobot Posted April 1, 2019 Author Share Posted April 1, 2019 1 hour ago, That's No Moon said: I'm aware of who they are employees of but they have a collectively bargained labor agreement that, amongst other things, dictates working rules. Nothing in the current CBA provides for players to be loaned, by their club, to another league. I'm also aware the the AAF has it's own medical for it's own players. What about a player on loan who has an NFL contract? Does the player still have access to his NFL team's doctors in case of injury? Does that insurance carry over or do they then have AAF coverage and doctors? Are those things the same? if not, again, why would the NFLPA agree to this change to the CBA? It gets even more complicated when you consider the potential liability the NFL could bring in itself if it's tied to the AAF for injuries incurred there. If you've watched some games you might have seen some wicked hits like that helmet-flying sack on a QB in week 1. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
That's No Moon Posted April 2, 2019 Share Posted April 2, 2019 3 hours ago, PromoTheRobot said: It gets even more complicated when you consider the potential liability the NFL could bring in itself if it's tied to the AAF for injuries incurred there. If you've watched some games you might have seen some wicked hits like that helmet-flying sack on a QB in week 1. Exactly. There are a LOT of issues in play and I think the AAF was a little presumptuous regarding everyone else's buy in. Their goal was clearly to be first to market but getting into the market with an unsustainable business plan is a recipe for big losses and ultimate disaster. I think they talked themselves into this belief that the NFL and the players would hurriedly jump on board with some of the NFL name cache they threw around. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
/dev/null Posted April 27, 2019 Share Posted April 27, 2019 In the midst of all the draft talk, just a reminder that tonight would have been the AAF Championship game 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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PromoTheRobot Posted May 1, 2019 Author Share Posted May 1, 2019 37 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said: 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gugny Posted May 1, 2019 Share Posted May 1, 2019 34 minutes ago, PromoTheRobot said: Good Times, Bad Times .... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chandler#81 Posted May 1, 2019 Share Posted May 1, 2019 1 hour ago, Gugny said: Good Times, Bad Times .... Good times, bad timesYou know I had my shareWhen my woman left homeWith a brown eyed manWell, I still don't seem to care 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted May 1, 2019 Share Posted May 1, 2019 This thread far outlasted that predictable disaster of a football league. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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PromoTheRobot Posted May 2, 2019 Author Share Posted May 2, 2019 https://xfl2k.com/news/aafs-original-investor-charged-with-bank-fraud-by-fbi-irs/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ridgewaycynic2013 Posted May 4, 2019 Share Posted May 4, 2019 (edited) AAF = “Aw! Aw! F***!” * Uttered by creditors and players alike. * Please pardon my being agonizingly slow on the obvious uptake. Edited May 4, 2019 by Ridgewaycynic2013 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsfaninChicago Posted May 5, 2019 Share Posted May 5, 2019 The league would have survived if they had adopted the old XFL rule of the first player that doesn’t brake their collar bone on the opening mid-field football wrestling match gets to decide possession. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan89 Posted May 5, 2019 Share Posted May 5, 2019 Who thought someone could make Vince McMahon look like a sensible business person. Say what you will about the original XFL but they made the full season. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reddogblitz Posted May 5, 2019 Share Posted May 5, 2019 Fun while it lasted. Hopefully the new XFL in 2020 will do better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orlando Tim Posted May 5, 2019 Share Posted May 5, 2019 6 hours ago, reddogblitz said: Fun while it lasted. Hopefully the new XFL in 2020 will do better. XFL will last at least one year- Vince will ensure that but the long range viability will depend on better tv situation which i doubt he can much better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted May 5, 2019 Share Posted May 5, 2019 (edited) ....McMahon next up??....stay tuned........HeHateMe cometh........... Edited May 5, 2019 by OldTimeAFLGuy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boca BIlls Posted May 5, 2019 Share Posted May 5, 2019 On 5/1/2019 at 3:40 PM, PromoTheRobot said: I think they fed people much better then at Fyre Fest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PromoTheRobot Posted May 5, 2019 Author Share Posted May 5, 2019 2 minutes ago, Boca BIlls said: I think they fed people much better then at Fyre Fest. There must be more to this story. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted May 5, 2019 Share Posted May 5, 2019 1 hour ago, PromoTheRobot said: There must be more to this story. I doubt it. It was far fetched and doomed because of that from the moment it was launched. Anyone who paid any attention at all could have seen this coming. No real interest from the NFL. No TV contract (it’s rumored they paid for their telecasts. The usual D list rosters. Little local appeal for the chosen cities. All teams owned by the league. A real shocker Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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