LeGOATski Posted March 3, 2019 Share Posted March 3, 2019 12 minutes ago, /dev/null said: The stadium in Birmingham is almost empty I guess the plan to use Trent Richardson to draw in fans backfired. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Gal Posted March 4, 2019 Share Posted March 4, 2019 36 minutes ago, /dev/null said: The stadium in Birmingham is almost empty Hubby keeps saying this league is a marketing fail, and I cannot disagree. Do a 2-4-1 ticket sale, donate a bunch of tickets to some kids group for home games, etc. Do something, anything, to get bodies in the stands so it looks like the locals are somewhat interested.  My comments on the Birmingham game: that 4th and 12 instead of an onside kick is interesting. I saw one converted (yesterday? last week? time gets distorted when you are old), and it is pretty exciting. It is certainly better than an onside kick in the NFL right now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Gal Posted March 4, 2019 Share Posted March 4, 2019 2-0! That was a fun rundown (although the receiver wasn't very intelligent in his decision) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PromoTheRobot Posted March 4, 2019 Author Share Posted March 4, 2019 (edited) 3 hours ago, /dev/null said: The stadium in Birmingham is almost empty  I didn't watch today, busy with a family outing. But wasn't it a pouring rain there today? Not to mention there was a killer tornado in the area. Edited March 4, 2019 by PromoTheRobot Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted March 4, 2019 Share Posted March 4, 2019 On March 2, 2019 at 7:15 PM, OldTimeAFLGuy said: ....could be a nice start to a minor league/developmental aspect similar to MLB or NHL.......but the beleaguered, cash strapped NFL owners could NEVER afford such a venture......flood of Chapter 11 filings and lined up for soup kitchens would result....... Â I'll never find the logic in this type of comment. Â Â Why should they pay for a crappy minor league when they have a premium one that costs them nothing, and where nearly every single player comes from? Â Â . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orlando Tim Posted March 4, 2019 Share Posted March 4, 2019 I hope Buffalo is looking at Ross from AZ and Johnson from Orlando- both seem to have good hands and i really think they could part of a strong recieving corp that goes 5 deep relatively cheap. I do not like the idea of spending big money on WR since QB makes WR look good- or bad- so often. 22 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said: Â I'll never find the logic in this type of comment. Â Â Why should they pay for a crappy minor league when they have a premium one that costs them nothing, and where nearly every single player comes from? Â Â . I get your logic but I think they are worried about XFL being successful and Would rather break even on a product that they control then have a different league pop up and be successful against the NFL wishes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted March 4, 2019 Share Posted March 4, 2019 11 hours ago, Buffalo Timmy said: I hope Buffalo is looking at Ross from AZ and Johnson from Orlando- both seem to have good hands and i really think they could part of a strong recieving corp that goes 5 deep relatively cheap. I do not like the idea of spending big money on WR since QB makes WR look good- or bad- so often. I get your logic but I think they are worried about XFL being successful and Would rather break even on a product that they control then have a different league pop up and be successful against the NFL wishes.  The NFL has absolutely no worries about either league. AAF and XFL are only competing against each other for the most hardcore of football fans who want to watch football when there is no real football to watch.  As for "breaking even", they have no money invested in this league and would be foolish to. It won't survive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PromoTheRobot Posted March 5, 2019 Author Share Posted March 5, 2019 (edited) Â So TNT added some games from the league "nobody's watching." Edited March 5, 2019 by PromoTheRobot 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeGOATski Posted March 6, 2019 Share Posted March 6, 2019 6 hours ago, PromoTheRobot said: Â So TNT added some games from the league "nobody's watching." People are definitely watching, but they need to advertise more in order to keep up an inflow of viewers, I think. Â If this season is determined a success, then maybe they "cast a wider net" before next season. Â At least advertise on Sundays during the entire NFL season and upgrade their TV deals. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bleeding Bills Blue Posted March 6, 2019 Share Posted March 6, 2019 On 3/3/2019 at 7:08 PM, Buffalo_Gal said: Hubby keeps saying this league is a marketing fail, and I cannot disagree. Do a 2-4-1 ticket sale, donate a bunch of tickets to some kids group for home games, etc. Do something, anything, to get bodies in the stands so it looks like the locals are somewhat interested.  My comments on the Birmingham game: that 4th and 12 instead of an onside kick is interesting. I saw one converted (yesterday? last week? time gets distorted when you are old), and it is pretty exciting. It is certainly better than an onside kick in the NFL right now.  The like .1% conversion rate is pretty annoying. You're more likely to just kick it straight out of bounds than actually get the ball back.   Can you still sneak an onside kick in? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bleeding Bills Blue Posted March 6, 2019 Share Posted March 6, 2019 On 3/4/2019 at 9:50 AM, Mr. WEO said:  The NFL has absolutely no worries about either league. AAF and XFL are only competing against each other for the most hardcore of football fans who want to watch football when there is no real football to watch.  As for "breaking even", they have no money invested in this league and would be foolish to. It won't survive.  Minor league sports typically work with affiliation with the major league. AHL, Minor league baseball, even G-league. The salaries for the players are typically handled in some way shape or form by the major league team - so marketing, concessions, stadium, etc. can all be handled by the owner of the minor league team.   It seems like this works better for ownership as the salaries for minor league players are lower than if they are promoted to the majors - you still have team control over the development etc. The minor league owner can focus more on getting people to come watch games.  On 3/3/2019 at 7:08 PM, Buffalo_Gal said: Hubby keeps saying this league is a marketing fail, and I cannot disagree. Do a 2-4-1 ticket sale, donate a bunch of tickets to some kids group for home games, etc. Do something, anything, to get bodies in the stands so it looks like the locals are somewhat interested.  My comments on the Birmingham game: that 4th and 12 instead of an onside kick is interesting. I saw one converted (yesterday? last week? time gets distorted when you are old), and it is pretty exciting. It is certainly better than an onside kick in the NFL right now.  Yeah - like the most popular bisons game's have bobblehead giveaways, or star wars night. Every minor league team does these weird promotions because they can make it back on concessions, merch, etc.   TV is probably eating up like the entire marketing budget though - minor league sports just don't air on network TV for any sport. I wonder if XFL is thinking they need to do the same thing to be viable - or if they can try and set it up more like a streaming type service while assuming AAF can't sustain the losses they're probably incurring to be on network TV.  Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted March 6, 2019 Share Posted March 6, 2019 11 minutes ago, dneveu said:  Minor league sports typically work with affiliation with the major league. AHL, Minor league baseball, even G-league. The salaries for the players are typically handled in some way shape or form by the major league team - so marketing, concessions, stadium, etc. can all be handled by the owner of the minor league team.   It seems like this works better for ownership as the salaries for minor league players are lower than if they are promoted to the majors - you still have team control over the development etc. The minor league owner can focus more on getting people to come watch games.    Except the NFL (and the NBA) absolutely don't need to fund a "minor league" because nearly every one of their players comes from the NCAA. There is no incentive for the NFL to pay for a product that is far inferior to what they always get for free. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bleeding Bills Blue Posted March 6, 2019 Share Posted March 6, 2019 1 minute ago, Mr. WEO said:  Except the NFL (and the NBA) absolutely don't need to fund a "minor league" because nearly every one of their players comes from the NCAA. There is no incentive for the NFL to pay for a product that is far inferior to what they always get for free.  Very true - just gets you to theoretically control players during a longer development cycle. NFL teams have such thin rosters as it stands anyway, and a lot i assume has to do with the revenue split and having so few games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PromoTheRobot Posted March 9, 2019 Author Share Posted March 9, 2019 Â On TNT now. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PromoTheRobot Posted March 9, 2019 Author Share Posted March 9, 2019 Any QB needy team should be looking at Garrett Gilbert. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeGOATski Posted March 9, 2019 Share Posted March 9, 2019 The Apollos seem miles ahead of all other teams. I'd love it if the Hotshots got back on track. They started really strong, but I think teams figured they're offense out. Â Interestingly, the Commanders have a -18 point diff, but are first in the West. https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/2019/03/09/aaf-week-5-why-america-watching-these-guys-play-football/3107027002/ Â TNT is going to add at least one more game this season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PetermansRedemption Posted March 10, 2019 Share Posted March 10, 2019 San Diego going back to Mike Bercovici ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PetermansRedemption Posted March 10, 2019 Share Posted March 10, 2019 And Bercovici having a great game so far Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeGOATski Posted March 10, 2019 Share Posted March 10, 2019 53 minutes ago, Bills2ref said: And Bercovici having a great game so far He was really hot and cold in college, too.  A "system guy" as they say... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
/dev/null Posted March 10, 2019 Share Posted March 10, 2019 Orlando looks like the team to beat this year. Western division is anyone's guess Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
/dev/null Posted March 10, 2019 Share Posted March 10, 2019 Stallions @ Fleet was some good football  Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PetermansRedemption Posted March 10, 2019 Share Posted March 10, 2019 Great game there. Bercovici’s second start was infinitely better than his first. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CIrvine Posted March 10, 2019 Share Posted March 10, 2019 You can't beat the Fleet! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigDingus Posted March 10, 2019 Share Posted March 10, 2019 After seeing how this is going, I have even less hope for the XFL. There's some things they could learn from the AAF, but there's also a foundation-level decision that's going to work against them IMO. Even though the advantages they could have by all being owned by Vince, having negotiated TV deals well in advance, they already have a multi-million install base with their streaming service, and can advertise to a large audience free of charge, the key mistake they made is the location of their founding teams. Instead of picking smaller cities in regions with more passionate, loyal fans who would probably be thrilled to get a chance at a pro football team, they went with established big markets that not only have NFL teams, but have countless other pro sports teams & things to do in the spring instead of going to XFL games. If they picked markets like the AAF targeted, then used their advertising and marketing connections to their advantage, I have a feeling it could turn into a more financially stable AAF. But going with cities like New York, San Francisco and Dallas (they did hit up St. Louis so that's one good choice) will get you ignored worse than the Chargers in LA. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PromoTheRobot Posted March 10, 2019 Author Share Posted March 10, 2019 Aaron Murray looking good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SWATeam Posted March 11, 2019 Share Posted March 11, 2019 I'd like to bring WR Mekale McKay to camp. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Not at the table Karlos Posted March 11, 2019 Share Posted March 11, 2019 (edited) 16 hours ago, BigDingus said: After seeing how this is going, I have even less hope for the XFL. There's some things they could learn from the AAF, but there's also a foundation-level decision that's going to work against them IMO. Even though the advantages they could have by all being owned by Vince, having negotiated TV deals well in advance, they already have a multi-million install base with their streaming service, and can advertise to a large audience free of charge, the key mistake they made is the location of their founding teams. Instead of picking smaller cities in regions with more passionate, loyal fans who would probably be thrilled to get a chance at a pro football team, they went with established big markets that not only have NFL teams, but have countless other pro sports teams & things to do in the spring instead of going to XFL games. If they picked markets like the AAF targeted, then used their advertising and marketing connections to their advantage, I have a feeling it could turn into a more financially stable AAF. But going with cities like New York, San Francisco and Dallas (they did hit up St. Louis so that's one good choice) will get you ignored worse than the Chargers in LA. I think the xfl's only chance is to start going after larger name players or college players. I dont think they can compete with nfl or ncaa tho. They need to be like the usfl but with a lot more money to keep it afloat until its profitable. I dont see them succeeding. Edited March 11, 2019 by Not at the table Karlos Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PetermansRedemption Posted March 11, 2019 Share Posted March 11, 2019 Well San Antonio is absolutely thumping Arizona tonight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted March 11, 2019 Share Posted March 11, 2019 1 minute ago, Bills2ref said: Well San Antonio is absolutely thumping Arizona tonight.  Pick six first series was enough for me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PromoTheRobot Posted March 11, 2019 Author Share Posted March 11, 2019 29 minutes ago, Not at the table Karlos said: I think the xfl's only chance is to start going after larger name players or college players. I dont think they can compete with nfl or ncaa tho. They need to be like the usfl but with a lot more money to keep it afloat until its profitable. I dont see them succeeding.  It's pretty obvious the NFL favors the AAF. I mean they are on NFLN. Jerruh Jones is seen wearing an AAF cap. They want the league to succeed. It only helps them. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PetermansRedemption Posted March 11, 2019 Share Posted March 11, 2019 Just now, PromoTheRobot said:  It's pretty obvious the NFL favors the AAF. I mean they are on NFLN. Jerruh Jones is seen wearing an AAF cap. They want the league to succeed. It only helps them. For the second time in their existence, I do believe the NFL would like to see a minor league succeed. 48 minutes ago, SWATeam said: I'd like to bring WR Mekale McKay to camp. Big Play McKay would not be a bad addition Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luka Posted March 11, 2019 Share Posted March 11, 2019 I'd like to see Ross (Arizona) and Johnson (Orlando) in camp this year. Two good receivers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Not at the table Karlos Posted March 11, 2019 Share Posted March 11, 2019 Just now, PromoTheRobot said:  It's pretty obvious the NFL favors the AAF. I mean they are on NFLN. Jerruh Jones is seen wearing an AAF cap. They want the league to succeed. It only helps them. Yeah i think the nfl wants the aaf to to do well but was replying to post about how the XFL is going to succeed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PromoTheRobot Posted March 11, 2019 Author Share Posted March 11, 2019 17 minutes ago, Not at the table Karlos said: Yeah i think the nfl wants the aaf to to do well but was replying to post about how the XFL is going to succeed.  I also think the NFL wants to smother the XFL in its crib. Another reason to back the AAF. They didn't forget about the first incarnation of the XFL. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PromoTheRobot Posted March 11, 2019 Author Share Posted March 11, 2019 Nothing good comes from fighting for that extra half yard. You converted the onside play only to give the ball right back 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeGOATski Posted March 11, 2019 Share Posted March 11, 2019 Conspiracy theory: Can't let the Hotshots be good... all the AZ Cardinals fans will defect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted March 11, 2019 Share Posted March 11, 2019 Is a game between the best teams in this league honestly better in quality than 12 NFL games on a given weekend? Â Â At least half of the NFL games are total garbage each week.... Â Â Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turk71 Posted March 12, 2019 Share Posted March 12, 2019 Watching a replay of SD and Salt Lake, tuned in for 4th qtr. What a great finish, don't know how it ends, 16 secs left and SD needs a fg. The kick is good! But you guys already knew that.?  1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PromoTheRobot Posted March 15, 2019 Author Share Posted March 15, 2019 Â 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Gal Posted March 17, 2019 Share Posted March 17, 2019 (edited) So the announcers during the Apollos game just said Johnny Manziel signed with the AAF. What team should be interesting. Edited March 17, 2019 by Buffalo_Gal Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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