Big Turk Posted January 23, 2019 Share Posted January 23, 2019 7 hours ago, HappyDays said: Refereeing should be done from a central office with numerous camera angles for each game. Reviews would be quicker that way. A central office would have watched the PI twice and immediately called the penalty. Challenges would also go faster. Watch the slow motion replay 3 or 4 times and make a call. Some guy staring into a booth on the sideline is the most inefficient way possible. They already make the call now from the central office. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alphadawg7 Posted January 23, 2019 Share Posted January 23, 2019 6 hours ago, White Linen said: The only thing left to determine with your solution is how many times can you challenge the calls you've described. If it's unlimited the games would be incredibly long and if you limit them, you may not have a challenge left. For example say the Saints didn't have a challenge left when that pass interference wasn't called? It's a tough problem to fix. You missed it in my original post...not unlimited, what I suggested was to give coaches one more challenge per half in total. So they will have 3 challenges per half to accommodate for some additional plays to potentially challenge. So won't impact game that much. Could limit the 3rd challenge flag to only be used on penalty or missed penalty challenges too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan1988 Posted January 23, 2019 Share Posted January 23, 2019 11 hours ago, eball said: C'mon, dude. That's no longer an acceptable position given the technological world we live in. There is literally NO reason not to eliminate egregious judgment errors by officials. The NFL can defintely eliminate egregious calls if they wanted to. The thing is do they really want to. No matter what there will always be teams that they favor more then the others. Even if u can replay everything they will still find a way to mess it up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
apuszczalowski Posted January 23, 2019 Share Posted January 23, 2019 I said it in a previous post, each game would get a crew in house sitting up in a booth with a bunch of camera angles of the game. They have refs on the field calling the game. If someone in the booth notices something missed, they buzz down to the head ref and the clock stops. Refs could then huddle and discuss, along with the crew in the booth and decide if it should be called. There would be no more coaches challenged, and no more replay like they have it now. All of it would be eliminated by having a crew upstairs watching different views and angles on screens. It wont catch everything, and I dont think it should be used to call a penalty on someone who was completely out of the play and had no impact on it, but plays like the PI would be called from upstairs in case a ref missed it on the field. Only problem I see happening, is the game gets slowed down by a bunch more penalties being called because they may catch more, which will lead to fans being upset that the pace of play is so much slower. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yav Posted January 23, 2019 Share Posted January 23, 2019 How about since the NFL is already monitoring the games from NYC, how about they just start doing their jobs and calling to the officials and correcting the calls. I don't think it's fair for coaches to have only 2 challenges to correct horrible calls by refs that aren't doing their jobs. If the NFL really cared they would start doing their jobs in the office and they call the stadiums and correct the calls right away in real time and no longer have to deal with refs controlling the games. In the end fans need to realize the NFL wanted the Rams in the Stupid Bowl to boost the LA market. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eball Posted January 23, 2019 Share Posted January 23, 2019 11 minutes ago, Yav said: How about since the NFL is already monitoring the games from NYC, how about they just start doing their jobs and calling to the officials and correcting the calls. I don't think it's fair for coaches to have only 2 challenges to correct horrible calls by refs that aren't doing their jobs. If the NFL really cared they would start doing their jobs in the office and they call the stadiums and correct the calls right away in real time and no longer have to deal with refs controlling the games. In the end fans need to realize the NFL wanted the Rams in the Stupid Bowl to boost the LA market. You had me with you up until this last statement. The Saints still had ample opportunity to win the game even after that horrendous call. The league doesn't fix games -- they just have refs who occasionally make bad calls. I am a 100% proponent of a "New York review" team, similar to what they do in Toronto for the NHL. Take it off the on-field refs completely. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CodeMonkey Posted January 23, 2019 Share Posted January 23, 2019 20 hours ago, HappyDays said: Refereeing should be done from a central office with numerous camera angles for each game. Reviews would be quicker that way. A central office would have watched the PI twice and immediately called the penalty. Challenges would also go faster. Watch the slow motion replay 3 or 4 times and make a call. Some guy staring into a booth on the sideline is the most inefficient way possible. Agree. They could also tell the on field ref where to spot the ball. I always chuckle when it's 3rd or 4th and 1, run right up the gut so it's just a sea of humanity and the refs can't even see the ball carrier. They spot the ball almost randomly, then bring out the chains to see if it's a first down. Hilarious Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
apuszczalowski Posted January 23, 2019 Share Posted January 23, 2019 I think having a crew from a central location in NY might be better financially for the league, but it would be best to have a crew in a pressbox at the stadium, they could communicate quicker to the crew on the field and would waste any more time. As for things like holds, your never going to get that fixed, theres going to always be missed calls on things like that. The most tou can hope for is them getting the obvious ones called. For spotting the ball, I'm sure it would be possible to install something like a chip in it and in the field that can track its location. They could do the same in hockey to figure out if a puck crosses the goal line (and even blue line) and in baseball for an accurate strike zone. 56 minutes ago, CodeMonkey said: Agree. They could also tell the on field ref where to spot the ball. I always chuckle when it's 3rd or 4th and 1, run right up the gut so it's just a sea of humanity and the refs can't even see the ball carrier. They spot the ball almost randomly, then bring out the chains to see if it's a first down. Hilarious That's always funny to see, the ref places the ball where he assumes it should be, then they bring out something to try and get an accurate read on whether that guessed location is a first down. That's like a carpenter cutting a piece of wood where he thinks it should be cut, then taking out a tape measure to see if he was correct....... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted January 23, 2019 Share Posted January 23, 2019 21 minutes ago, apuszczalowski said: f places the ball where he assumes it should be, then they bring out something to try and get an accurate read on whether that guessed location is a first down. That's like a carpenter cutting a piece of wood where he thinks it should be cut, then taking out a tape measure to see if he was correct....... the whole thing is just a shambles, they should stop playing until we can perfect every aspect of it.... but if the Chiefs had won, all these crybabies would be prancing around cooing about how the NFL is fair and just Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frostbitmic Posted January 23, 2019 Share Posted January 23, 2019 Seems there are fewer problems with the officiating of college games. The NFL needs to either hire those guys and or use the NCAA rule books. As it is now, the shield is tarnished. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaBillsFanSince1973 Posted January 23, 2019 Share Posted January 23, 2019 5 minutes ago, row_33 said: the whole thing is just a shambles, they should stop playing until we can perfect every aspect of it.... but if the Chiefs had won, all these crybabies would be prancing around cooing about how the NFL is fair and just you seem to get off on prancing around here calling pissed off fans crybabies. your above it all takes here are pretty ridiculous because as much as you believe you are, you're not. get over yourself, if fans want to be pissed off over bad calls that affect their team, I'd like to see you call them crybabies in person, to their face. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted January 23, 2019 Share Posted January 23, 2019 (edited) you stop a home crowd from blowing whistles all fricking game, and being so proud of it 36 minutes ago, DaBillsFanSince1973 said: you seem to get off on prancing around here calling pissed off fans crybabies. your above it all takes here are pretty ridiculous because as much as you believe you are, you're not. get over yourself, if fans want to be pissed off over bad calls that affect their team, I'd like to see you call them crybabies in person, to their face. and you get off on my getting off.... isn't it rich? aren't we a pair? Edited January 23, 2019 by row_33 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ridgewaycynic2013 Posted January 23, 2019 Share Posted January 23, 2019 16 hours ago, Ol Dirty B said: Yea... great post Glad you liked it! ? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted January 23, 2019 Share Posted January 23, 2019 23 hours ago, oldmanfan said: Theee are so many complaints about bad calls in the NFL, and many say we should rely more on technology to overcome these. But my concern is you could conceivably look at any given play in the NFL and pick out a call that should have been made. How about adding a minimum two more officials on the field (I'd put them in the defensive backfield) along with allowing the guy in the press box to make a call if he sees something. Give each coach one challenge regardless of the type of call. If you add officials in the back you have two more sets of eyes back there, and it seems the calls that are by and large screamed about occur primarily back in that area. The guy in the box can catch the most egregious holding. And coaches still can challenge truly bad calls. And once this is done, accept the fact that in any game like football there will be human error and just accept that as part of the game. I think the real problem is lack of feedback and accountability to refs. As I understand it, both teams have the ability to review the game afterwards and contact the league office with a list of calls they question or would like explained. But there is no systematic review and feedback to refs or attempt to assess the consistency of ref'ing from crew to crew. I think if a league group reviewed games (or perhaps a representative number of games) and gave feedback, and the feedback had consequences (like suggested earlier in the game, some kind of feedback system where enough bad calls or missed calls and you're out), ref'ing would improve. I also think that if the league really wants to get on top of the head-shots thing, any play where a coach or player sees a head shot should be subject to review and if review determines a head shot, penalize. 21 hours ago, LSHMEAB said: Nonsense. Don't you think they would have called a discreet hold or TWO if they were really hellbent on screwing the Saints? If it were to be done, you'd probably never know it. I think it was a deliberate non-call but not necessarily because they were "throwing" the game or favoring one team. I think the crew had made a deliberate decision to try to let things play out. The blow to the head should have been called though. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted January 23, 2019 Share Posted January 23, 2019 2 hours ago, CodeMonkey said: Agree. They could also tell the on field ref where to spot the ball. I always chuckle when it's 3rd or 4th and 1, run right up the gut so it's just a sea of humanity and the refs can't even see the ball carrier. They spot the ball almost randomly, then bring out the chains to see if it's a first down. Hilarious That aspect of the game has always puzzled me since I was a small child watching with my Grandpa. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ridgewaycynic2013 Posted January 23, 2019 Share Posted January 23, 2019 (edited) 5 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: That aspect of the game has always puzzled me since I was a small child watching with my Grandpa. Isn’t that one of the divine mysteries of the Catholic faith? (Proper spotting of the football) Edited January 23, 2019 by Ridgewaycynic2013 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted January 23, 2019 Share Posted January 23, 2019 24 minutes ago, Ridgewaycynic2013 said: Isn’t that one of the divine mysteries of the Catholic faith? (Proper spotting of the football) you have to to just go along with things like placement and measuring for a first down Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ridgewaycynic2013 Posted January 23, 2019 Share Posted January 23, 2019 2 minutes ago, row_33 said: you have to to just go along with things like placement and measuring for a first down Yep...just like the mysteries of the faith! ? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted January 23, 2019 Share Posted January 23, 2019 11 minutes ago, Ridgewaycynic2013 said: Yep...just like the mysteries of the faith! ? or dealing with one's significant other? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
White Linen Posted January 23, 2019 Share Posted January 23, 2019 12 hours ago, Alphadawg7 said: You missed it in my original post...not unlimited, what I suggested was to give coaches one more challenge per half in total. So they will have 3 challenges per half to accommodate for some additional plays to potentially challenge. So won't impact game that much. Could limit the 3rd challenge flag to only be used on penalty or missed penalty challenges too. Sorry I missed that part but my second point still stands. If a coach is out of challenges the Saints debacle could happen again. It's a tough issue to fix. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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