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1 hour ago, YoloinOhio said:

Morninweh being retained if he wants to be, in a different role.

 

 

and the clock just started ticking...

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I hope Lamar Jackson enjoys going 12 of 19 for 143 yards every game. Guy can plan the run big time but his passing schemes are really simple and predictable.

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Roman was to conservative.  Anthony Lynn took over, and got a lot more from the team...using roman's playbook.  Not going to end well in Baltimore either.

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50 minutes ago, BuffaloBillies said:

Roman was fired the day after the offense put up 393 yards and 31 points against the Jets.

Rex's D gave up 37 points that day in the loss.

CLEARLY this was the offenses' fault.

I agree that that was bizarre, but the offense only put up 24. They got 7 on an INT return. 

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27 minutes ago, JohnC said:

Lamar Jackson is Lamar Jackson as Tyrod Taylor is Tyrod Taylor. You work with what you got . If you don't have a conventional passer you can't devise a conventional offense. How do you have a coherent offense when from a conventional sense you can't have a coherent offense because the running and passing game don't work in tandem? So you do your best to magnify your strengths and minimize your gaping lack of a passing game. 

 

The issue/problem isn't who the coach is so much as how the offense is constructed. When a qb doesn't have an ability to play a well-rounded game then you as a OC is limited. 

 

Tyrod couldn't add enough to his (passing and vision) game to advance it. The issue is whether Lamar can add to his (passing and vision) game to advance it. Again, you work with what you got. 

 

Roman is the best at hiding QBs, no doubt, he did it with Kap and did it Tyrod and will do it with Lamar. That said even without being able to run a "conventional" passing offense as you term it, I think it IS still possible to run a more coherent scheme where the passing game works off the run game. I think about the Kubaik offense which has successfully been run first and hidden average to bad Quarterbacks and you can do it.  I'm a big Greg Roman fan I just think that it is possible to build a better pass game onto his rush offense. More boot action and throwing from more moving pockets was something I always wanted to see more of with Tyrod. Run it off and out of the same formation and look as the speed pitch plays they ran so effectively and I think you'd get linebackers biting.

 

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1 hour ago, ShadyBillsFan said:

Well he did manage to get the best out of TT.  

 

Unfortunately it wasn’t enough and Rex canned his predictable play calling.   

 

 

And now he is stuck with Tyrod 2.0 😂

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Ravens will be looking for a new QB in perhaps 2 years (IMO)........GR will be good to develop more running plays for LJ but you can only focus on the run game for so long......look how LAC contained him....it wont be long before more teams are able to do the same......LJ now is pretty mediocre at passing....cant see him being anything more than just avg at the passing game.....

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25 minutes ago, dave mcbride said:

I agree that that was bizarre, but the offense only put up 24. They got 7 on an INT return. 

I also thought they scored on a muffed kickoff punt... or had great field position. I just remember the fumble. 

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8 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said:

I also thought they scored on a muffed kickoff punt... or had great field position. I just remember the fumble. 

 

 

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1 hour ago, GunnerBill said:

He is the best running game coordinator of his generation and as we saw in Buffalo when everyone is drafting defenders to stop the pass there is some merit in being ground and indeed pound. His flaws to me have always been around building a complimentary passing game that is coherent with the rushing offense. It sometimes feels like he has had to stop running his offense for a play to try a pass. He'll do a nice job of hiding Lamar and winning some games, not sure it will do much for trying to develop Lamar to be a franchise Quarterback.

 

I agree but I'll add something I heard somewhere....

 

Roman has more IQ than EQ.  He doesn't always build the kinds of relationships with his position coaches and players that bring out their best.  Roman does his best work alone in his office, breaking down film and drawing ideas up on his whiteboard.  

 

This observation, if true, seems to explain what we saw with the Bills where the Bills offense was more productive just after he left.  They continued to use Roman's run concepts and play designs but ALynn was in the leadership role.  

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21 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said:

I also thought they scored on a muffed kickoff punt... or had great field position. I just remember the fumble. 

Nope, not according to the game log. I think you're thinking of the Jets game  on Monday night in 2014 when Boobie Dixon blocked a punt. 

2 minutes ago, hondo in seattle said:

 

I agree but I'll add something I heard somewhere....

 

Roman has more IQ than EQ.  He doesn't always build the kinds of relationships with his position coaches and players that bring out their best.  Roman does his best work alone in his office, breaking down film and drawing ideas up on his whiteboard.  

 

This observation, if true, seems to explain what we saw with the Bills where the Bills offense was more productive just after he left.  They continued to use Roman's run concepts and play designs but ALynn was in the leadership role.  

To be fair, his offense in SF was very good.

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2 minutes ago, hondo in seattle said:

 

I agree but I'll add something I heard somewhere....

 

Roman has more IQ than EQ.  He doesn't always build the kinds of relationships with his position coaches and players that bring out their best.  Roman does his best work alone in his office, breaking down film and drawing ideas up on his whiteboard.  

 

This observation, if true, seems to explain what we saw with the Bills where the Bills offense was more productive just after he left.  They continued to use Roman's run concepts and play designs but ALynn was in the leadership role.  

 

I think Roman is a bit of a mad scientist type, yep. The other thing Lynn did was install fewer plays each week. Roman would install a very high volume and the view at the end was the players were not executing as well as they could due to that volume.

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1 minute ago, GunnerBill said:

 

I think Roman is a bit of a mad scientist type, yep. The other thing Lynn did was install fewer plays each week. Roman would install a very high volume and the view at the end was the players were not executing as well as they could due to that volume.

 

I'd forgotten about that but you're right.

 

I wonder if Roman would be better suited as a run-game consultant than an OC.  

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Master at the vrun game , probably as good as it gets in the NFL. 

If they maintain an elite defense, that's a tough outing for any team . But if you're going to go on a playoff run, you're going to run into some teams where you have to pass to win.

 

LA just did what every team did against us in 2015, ,sell out to stop run and make Taylor beat you with his arm. And Tyrods a better passer than Lamar imo.

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54 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said:

He got screwed here. I would rather have him than Brian Daboll. 

Let us know how you feel next year at this time.

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1 hour ago, GunnerBill said:

 

I think Roman is a bit of a mad scientist type, yep. The other thing Lynn did was install fewer plays each week. Roman would install a very high volume and the view at the end was the players were not executing as well as they could due to that volume.

 

Roman is going to be in a tough spot. If the passing game is again inadequate, it is likely his OC tenure will be quite brief. But will that be due to having another QB who is a poor passer ? History will tell. Another problem is that if Roman continues developing a the high number of play, it will be tough for a low-Wonderlic Jackson to execute. 

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1 hour ago, C.Biscuit97 said:

He got screwed here. I would rather have him than Brian Daboll. 

I dunno. I thought Daboll called good games this season. Talent was the issue. 

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1 hour ago, BuffaloBillies said:

 

 

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Greg Salas! Was that when he did the flip into the end zone, got hurt, and was never heard from again? 

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1 hour ago, C.Biscuit97 said:

He got screwed here. I would rather have him than Brian Daboll. 

:thumbdown:

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12 minutes ago, dave mcbride said:

I dunno. I thought Daboll called good games this season. Talent was the issue. 

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/coaches/DaboBr0.htm

 

 

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/coaches/RomaGr0.htm

 

at what point, when someone is basically a bottom 5 Nfl OC for their entire career, do you stop blaming the players?  At what point does it become Daboll’s responsibilities?

 

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10 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said:

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/coaches/DaboBr0.htm

 

 

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/coaches/RomaGr0.htm

 

at what point, when someone is basically a bottom 5 Nfl OC for their entire career, do you stop blaming the players?  At what point does it become Daboll’s responsibilities?

 

I know you don't want to hear it, but Daboll has uniformly been in awful situations--insurmountable situations, I'd say.  Christ, he was reduced to rolling out Brady Quinn (in two stops!), Chad Henne, Seneca Wallace, and FREAKING LATE-ERA JP LOSMAN!!! Plus a near-death version of Matt Cassell, who sucks. That said, the Bills' offense showed a fair bit of progress late in the season, and I never questioned the playcalling. Not hard, I know; they had nowhere to go but up given how deep in the basement they were.  

 

In contrast, Roman oversaw an extremely talented roster in SF. 

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2 minutes ago, dave mcbride said:

I know you don't want to hear it, but Daboll has uniformly been in awful situations--insurmountable situations, I'd say. That said, the Bills' offense showed a fair bit of progress late in the season, and I never questioned the playcalling. Not hard, I know; they had nowhere to go but up given how deep in the basement they were.  

 

In contrast, Roman oversaw an extremely talented roster in SF. 

Roman had a top 10 scoring offense in Buffalo.  

 

and if Daboll was such a good scheming coach, held back by lack of talent, why won’t a good team hire him?  

 

 

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