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As I’m sitting in an airport with nothing better to do, I’ll add my $.02 regarding the final, arranged by character. 

 

Dany - my only disappointment is in the rushed nature of her “turn” even if the signs were there all along. Her true love for Jon (and Jon’s dragon blood) was her undoing. That was an incredible scene, as Jon tried to give her every last chance to prove she wasn’t just another tyrant who believed she knew better than anyone else. 

 

Jon - I expected him to die so I was pleasantly surprised with his resolution. Tormund’s “you’ve got the real North in you” words were prophetic, and of course Bran, Tyrion, Sansa, and Arya all knew Jon wouldn’t really be subject to the “rules” of the Night’s Watch. He will live out his days among the free folk, find a wife, and be happy he’s out of the mess of Westeros. 

 

Tyrion - always one of my favorite characters, he deserved to live. His counsel was always given in the name of trying to preserve or restore peace. The speech about stories was corny but I don’t care; he was left to do what he does best, serving a leader who really does have the peoples’ best interests at heart. 

 

Sansa - her resolution was perfect. Wouldn’t change a thing. Probably the smartest person in the kingdom and deserving of the Northern throne. 

 

Arya - can you say “hello, spinoff?” I guess it makes sense that she wants no further part of Westeros and I’d admittedly watch a show that follows her westward. Nothing wrong with how her arc ended. 

 

Grey Worm - this one makes no sense. He’s going to take a group of infertile guys to Naath to settle. Have fun with that. Yes, it’s curious that he didn’t execute Tyrion and Jon immediately but I suppose even he knows there is some sort of protocol to follow. 

 

Brienne - fine with this. It was a touching scene as she completed Jaime’s entry in the book of knights. 

 

Sam - was anything else expected here?

 

Bronn - comic relief to the end, but nothing that made me terribly upset. 

 

Davos - another true servant; he deserved a prominent role and master of ships serves “the world’s greatest smuggler” well. 

 

Yara - an afterthought. One remark about serving Dany and then an “aye” for Bran. Oh well, she’s the ruler of the Iron Islands and that’s all she wanted. 

 

Bran - lots of questions here; the best way I can resolve them is to believe that once Bran’s magical powers were “awakened” he realized this was the end game and everything he did from that point was to make it happen. You have to try and not think to hard about this one because of the gaps in getting from point A to point B. He will be a wise ruler but obviously the question of succession will be a large one.

 

i read that when the show was first being developed B&B correctly “guessed” how GRRM planned to end the story. He just hasn’t gotten around to telling how it happened this way so they had to create a narrative themselves that certainly can’t be expected to be done in the same manner the original author would intend. 

 

A great, great TV series that ended on a rushed note but was satisfying for this watcher. 

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Nice Nuremberg rally at the beginning. So much lameness left unresolved

7 hours ago, Heitz said:

Good thing Arya became a Faceless Man - she sure used that ability a lot in the series.  She became No One, only to come back and be a Stark (and now she's off to be Columbus), WTF? ?

 

This guy gets it. Arguably the coolest story arc dropped like it was hot.

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So, where do you think Drogon was carrying Dany's body away to?  There were other Red witches, right?

It's almost like they were setting us up for a sequel.  (Yeah, I know a prequel is in the works.)

 

For what it's worth, I thought last nights finale was a fitting closure to the last 2 hurried seasons.

(But still a great disappointment when considering how great the first 6 seasons were.) 

 

I honestly have a hard time believing that they didn't revisit the Night King/Bran/3-eyed Raven storyline. Very weird.

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13 minutes ago, Bad Things said:

So, where do you think Drogon was carrying Dany's body away to?  There were other Red witches, right?

It's almost like they were setting us up for a sequel.  (Yeah, I know a prequel is in the works.)

 

For what it's worth, I thought last nights finale was a fitting closure to the last 2 hurried seasons.

(But still a great disappointment when considering how great the first 6 seasons were.) 

 

I honestly have a hard time believing that they didn't revisit the Night King/Bran/3-eyed Raven storyline. Very weird.

He was just carrying his mother away. Probably back to Valeria somewhere. 

 

It was game of Thrones. The whole point was who would rule the 7 Kingdoms. The Night along was just a chapter (maybe more than one. Lol) in a long story. 

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28 minutes ago, Joe in Winslow said:

Nice Nuremberg rally at the beginning. So much lameness left unresolved

 

This guy gets it. Arguably the coolest story arc dropped like it was hot.

 

You wanted her to do more than save the world? 

 

No one was the prime mover. That was part of what made it so great.

 

Arya went away. Learned all the things she learned. Never forgot she was a Stark. Avenged the family. Saved the world. Took her vengeance almost too far and lost herself, but didn’t...but she wasn’t going to be a “lady” in the 6/7 kingdoms so she went off to find out what else is out there. 

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2 minutes ago, mrags said:

 The Night along was just a chapter (maybe more than one. Lol) in a long story. 

 

No it wasn't.

The very first scene of the entire series was about the White Walkers and their threat was constantly being built up.

 

"Winter is Coming" wasn't just a saying to remind everyone to get their firewood ready, it was about the upcoming threat of the White Walkers and the Night King.

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25 minutes ago, mrags said:

He was just carrying his mother away. Probably back to Valeria somewhere. 

 

It was game of Thrones. The whole point was who would rule the 7 Kingdoms. The Night along was just a chapter (maybe more than one. Lol) in a long story. 

It was more than a chapter and a looming threat throughout the entire series.  After the epic Hardhome battle where the Night King slowly raised the dead with the lift of his arms, it didn't seem like the fight for the seven kingdoms even mattered.  It would be the living against the dead.  The battle for King's Landing should've been done first and then the ultimate fight against the Night King.  Also, some major complaints I have is hiding whatever the hell Bran was doing from the viewers as it would've been nice if they showed some of his visions.  Also, the identity of the Night King also would've been appreciated.  They could've done so much more and made it way more satisfying.  Oh well.  I appreciate the quality of the show throughout most of its run even if it ended on a whimper.

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6 hours ago, Warcodered said:

The biggest problem with this finale is that they just skipped one of the most important scenes that should of been in it. The aftermath of Jon killing Danny I mean what happened did Jon just confess? Why didn't Danny's forces kill him? Why didn't Jon's forces help him? They skipped everything that would of put that meeting to decide everything in context.

 

As to who should of ruled it was clearly Jon he was the only one who seemed like he could have a base of power to warrant the other houses following him. I mean I get it being happier for him to be north of the wall, but I always figured that would of been a selfish ending for him. Leaving the 7 kingdoms with a massive power vacuum and an endless war.

 

Bran does make sense as the best leader for the 7 kingdoms but he doesn't make sense as someone they'd choose to follow. Also so the Unsullied are unwilling for Jon to take the throne and want to kill him but his brother can take it?

 

I agree with all except the unsullied. I can see your points and don't necessarily think you're wrong. I could be mistaken but I'm not sure the unsullied had any connection to the throne beyond Dany. They didnt even seem as though they'd stick around after she gained power. Grey worm didnt want to stick around Westoros with her as queen. What do they care now? I can see the vengeance angle, but I can also see them just wanting it with Jon. I don't think they were concerned with who sat on the throne after her death.

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24 minutes ago, BeginnersMind said:

 

You wanted her to do more than save the world? 

 

No one was the prime mover. That was part of what made it so great.

 

Arya went away. Learned all the things she learned. Never forgot she was a Stark. Avenged the family. Saved the world. Took her vengeance almost too far and lost herself, but didn’t...but she wasn’t going to be a “lady” in the 6/7 kingdoms so she went off to find out what else is out there. 

 

I don't think the issue with Arya is that she left, it was her lack of involvement in the last scene. She witnessed the burning of the capital first hand. She lost the hound who she did ultimately like, was nearly killed and saw a mother and daughter be incinerated who saved her. 

 

Then the white horse shows up out of no where which was questionable to begin with and then ultimately she had nothing to do with anything of importance. I think that's an issue with how her story ended. I'm fine with her leaving, it's totally understandable, but her being cut out of so much last episode was rather unfulfilling.

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8 hours ago, frostbitmic said:

Code of honor ?

 

Jon Snow could've continued tapping his Queen .. He could've gone on tapping her and keeping her under control and ruled the realm. Instead he decided to be a moron and killed her mid kiss ... moron.

 

Jon Barleysnow must die.

 

I thought it was funny. Anyone getting upset over this comment on a show that contains 10000x more crude comments and moments is a bit over the top.

14 hours ago, BeginnersMind said:

It was fine. The story had to end. Martin, if he ever writes the books, will do a better job setting up Brann. 

 

Martin cashed the checks. Do you think it's beyond a possibility a guy who wrote these books, would set up those pressing him to hurry up to fail and look awful.

 

Then come out with a great conclusion that he already has an outline formulated to sell more books and make him look like even more of a better writer? 

 

It's a crazy theory and idk his personality at all, but I wouldn't be shocked if he didnt have Brann there.

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36 minutes ago, Doc Brown said:

It was more than a chapter and a looming threat throughout the entire series.  After the epic Hardhome battle where the Night King slowly raised the dead with the lift of his arms, it didn't seem like the fight for the seven kingdoms even mattered.  It would be the living against the dead.  The battle for King's Landing should've been done first and then the ultimate fight against the Night King.  Also, some major complaints I have is hiding whatever the hell Bran was doing from the viewers as it would've been nice if they showed some of his visions.  Also, the identity of the Night King also would've been appreciated.  They could've done so much more and made it way more satisfying.  Oh well.  I appreciate the quality of the show throughout most of its run even if it ended on a whimper.

 

I agree with all of this. Both the Bran and the Night King storylines were severely lacking in detail and coverage toward the end of the series. My best guess is that this may have been done intentionally in order to set up the prequel, which I assume/hope will address many of the surrounding questions? From a storytelling perspective, I guess the point of the Night King was to rally all of the disparate and antagonistic groups of people in Westeros together and get them on friendly enough terms in order to create a better Westeros post-Cersei and post-Dany. Or something...

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1 hour ago, Bad Things said:

 

No it wasn't.

The very first scene of the entire series was about the White Walkers and their threat was constantly being built up.

 

"Winter is Coming" wasn't just a saying to remind everyone to get their firewood ready, it was about the upcoming threat of the White Walkers and the Night King.

Yeah. Except the entire story is about the battle of the throne of the 7 Kingdoms. Period. End of list. All other stories within the story are just that. A story within the story. 

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53 minutes ago, Ol Dirty B said:

Then the white horse shows up out of no where which was questionable to begin with and then ultimately she had nothing to do with anything of importance.

 

I forgot about the white horse. Where did she even ride it?  Wasn't she still in Kings Landing?

 

The more I think about it, the more I think people are correct in calling out the poor writing this season.

 

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1 hour ago, Doc Brown said:

It was more than a chapter and a looming threat throughout the entire series.  After the epic Hardhome battle where the Night King slowly raised the dead with the lift of his arms, it didn't seem like the fight for the seven kingdoms even mattered.  It would be the living against the dead.  The battle for King's Landing should've been done first and then the ultimate fight against the Night King.  Also, some major complaints I have is hiding whatever the hell Bran was doing from the viewers as it would've been nice if they showed some of his visions.  Also, the identity of the Night King also would've been appreciated.  They could've done so much more and made it way more satisfying.  Oh well.  I appreciate the quality of the show throughout most of its run even if it ended on a whimper.

See above. 

 

And btw. They did reveal the identity of the Night King seasons ago. Nothing more to it because he wasn’t the purpose of the story 

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8 minutes ago, mrags said:

Yeah. Except the entire story is about the battle of the throne of the 7 Kingdoms. Period. End of list. All other stories within the story are just that. A story within the story. 

Which makes for a poorly written over-arching story. 

 

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3 hours ago, eball said:

Grey Worm - this one makes no sense. He’s going to take a group of infertile guys to Naath to settle. Have fun with that. Yes, it’s curious that he didn’t execute Tyrion and Jon immediately but I suppose even he knows there is some sort of protocol to follow. 

 

He was fulfilling his promise to his lady. In one of the episodes she talked about how her people aren't fighters and Gray Worm responded that he'd protect them. :beer: 

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33 minutes ago, mrags said:

See above. 

 

And btw. They did reveal the identity of the Night King seasons ago. Nothing more to it because he wasn’t the purpose of the story 

All we got was a dragon glass stabbed first man who turned into the first WW by the children of the forest.  Part of the problem is if he was just one piece of the story we didn’t get a view into his thinking and background as much as we did with the Bolton’s, Lannister’s, Frey’s, Baratheon bros. etc..

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13 minutes ago, Doc Brown said:

All we got was a dragon glass stabbed first man who turned into the first WW by the children of the forest.  Part of the problem is if he was just one piece of the story we didn’t get a view into his thinking and background as much as we did with the Bolton’s, Lannister’s, Frey’s, Baratheon bros. etc..

I think his storyline was pretty clear. He was created by the children of the forest. He wanted to destroy all life. End of story line. 

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1 hour ago, Bad Things said:

 

I forgot about the white horse. Where did she even ride it?  Wasn't she still in Kings Landing?

 

The more I think about it, the more I think people are correct in calling out the poor writing this season.

 

 

That's exactly it. She was surrounded by burned bodies and rubble with a white horse out of no where. Which is crappy, but it appeared to be symbolism and then it just had nothing to do with the last episode. 

 

I just don't understand the purpose of it. They made it look like something of great magnitude, then it ultimately meant nothing. 

 

The way they wrote it. I think it would have been better if she crawled out of rubble and somehow struggled her way to Jon and Dany and collapses. 

 

That makes her lack of anything of note in the last episode more explainable. It was all just mailed in. 

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50 minutes ago, mrags said:

I think his storyline was pretty clear. He was created by the children of the forest. He wanted to destroy all life. End of story line. 

 

Who is the identity of the Night King. Because you seem to be the only person that knows it but you've never said it, unless I missed it.

 

Is it Bran? You're saying it like it is clear as day yet people who obsess over this show have never suggested as much with as much confidence as you...

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9 minutes ago, Ol Dirty B said:

 

Who is the identity of the Night King. Because you seem to be the only person that knows it but you've never said it, unless I missed it.

 

Is it Bran? You're saying it like it is clear as day yet people who obsess over this show have ever suggested as much with as much confidence as you...

Reading and looking things up in the internet are hard...

 

https://gameofthrones.fandom.com/wiki/Night_King

 

 

After "Hardhome" aired and Weiss and Benioff first referred to the character as the Night King, Game of Thrones Wiki contacted George R.R. Martin asking how to treat the White Walker referred to as the "Night King" relative to the ancient Lord Commander known as the "Night's King" - if they are the same character, or if "Night's King" is a title that can be held by different characters, like "King in the North." He was also asked if it was significant that Benioff and Weiss refer to him as the "Night King", without a possessive "S". Martin cryptically avoided the first question, but said he prefers the spelling "Night's King": 

"As for the Night's King (the form I prefer), in the books he is a legendary figure, akin to Lann the Clever and Brandon the Builder, and no more likely to have survived to the present day than they have."[21]
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8 hours ago, Deranged Rhino said:

https://variety.com/2019/tv/ratings/game-of-thrones-series-finale-draws-19-3-million-viewers-sets-new-series-high-1203220928/

 

19+ Million watched. A series high, but not even in the top 20 of largest TV finale audiences. 

Is that a record for a subscription network show?  After delayed viewing it will pry be around 50 million people.  

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2 hours ago, MichaelAbdallah said:

 

I agree with all of this. Both the Bran and the Night King storylines were severely lacking in detail and coverage toward the end of the series. My best guess is that this may have been done intentionally in order to set up the prequel, which I assume/hope will address many of the surrounding questions? From a storytelling perspective, I guess the point of the Night King was to rally all of the disparate and antagonistic groups of people in Westeros together and get them on friendly enough terms in order to create a better Westeros post-Cersei and post-Dany. Or something...

Pretty good guess...

 

Now that ‘Game of Thrones’ is ending, here’s what you need to know about the new prequel series  When does the prequel take place?

 

According to HBO, and Martin’s personal blog, the events of the prequel show will take place near the end of the Age of Heroes, which was anywhere from 5,000 to 10,000 years before the events of the current “Game of Thrones” series (even Martin says he’s not sure of the exact timeline).

The series will include a period referred to in Martin’s books as The Long Night (hence his nickname for the prequel), which in Westeros mythology was when humans first defeated the White Walkers and built The Wall, the massive glacial structure along the northern border of the Seven Kingdoms.

 

Where does it take place?

 

Just like “Game of Thrones,” the prequel will also take place in the fictional land of Westeros. But because the prequel will be set “thousands of years” before the events of the current series, Martin has warned fans they might not recognize the setting.

“Westeros is a very different place. There’s no King’s Landing. There’s no Iron Throne. There are no Targaryens — Valyria has hardly begun to rise yet with its dragons and the great empire that it built,” Martin told Entertainment Weekly in November. “We’re dealing with a different and older world and hopefully that will be part of the fun of the series.”

 

What will it cover?

 

HBO isn’t saying much, but the network did release this summary: “Taking place thousands of years before the events of Game of Thrones, the series chronicles the world’s descent from the golden Age of Heroes into its darkest hour. From the horrifying secrets of Westeros’s history to the true origin of the White Walkers, the mysteries of the East to the Starks of legend, only one thing is for sure: It’s not the story we think we know.”

But even that short description does offer some important hints as to what the new series will cover. For instance, viewers should finally get to see exactly how the White Walkers first started building the army of the undead that would eventually march south and attack Winterfell in the final season of “Game of Thrones.”

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32 minutes ago, mrags said:

Reading and looking things up in the internet are hard...

 

https://gameofthrones.fandom.com/wiki/Night_King

 

 

After "Hardhome" aired and Weiss and Benioff first referred to the character as the Night King, Game of Thrones Wiki contacted George R.R. Martin asking how to treat the White Walker referred to as the "Night King" relative to the ancient Lord Commander known as the "Night's King" - if they are the same character, or if "Night's King" is a title that can be held by different characters, like "King in the North." He was also asked if it was significant that Benioff and Weiss refer to him as the "Night King", without a possessive "S". Martin cryptically avoided the first question, but said he prefers the spelling "Night's King": 

"As for the Night's King (the form I prefer), in the books he is a legendary figure, akin to Lann the Clever and Brandon the Builder, and no more likely to have survived to the present day than they have."[21]

 

I could go without the condescension, plus many others speculated otherwise.

 

It would have been a pleasure to never seen your post.

 

It also has almost nothing to do with the show which has combined characters. 

 

But yep, you follow games of thrones more than me. You go on their wiki, I can't read or write, it's magical I made it three paragraphs.

 

I have British buddies who say this, I'm not big on acronyms, but GFYS.

 

EDIT- and I don't even think the show will follow the same story arc as the books going forward. They left it open. Maybe you can Google this for me because I'm missing like 3 fingers and can't ***** type. But yet I typed all this. 

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15 minutes ago, Ol Dirty B said:

 

I could go without the condescension, plus many others speculated otherwise.

 

It would have been a pleasure to never seen your post.

 

It also has almost nothing to do with the show which has combined characters. 

 

But yep, you follow games of thrones more than me. You go on their wiki, I can't read or write, it's magical I made it three paragraphs.

 

I have British buddies who say this, I'm not big on acronyms, but GFYS.

 

EDIT- and I don't even think the show will follow the same story arc as the books going forward. They left it open. Maybe you can Google this for me because I'm missing like 3 fingers and can't ***** type. But yet I typed all this. 

Just be your best self man. I get it. I know a lot of people that have to have someone tell them something, when they just as easily could have found their answers themselves. That World Wide Web is a damn curse I tell you. 

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4 minutes ago, mrags said:

Just be your best self man. I get it. I know a lot of people that have to have someone tell them something, when they just as easily could have found their answers themselves. That World Wide Web is a damn curse I tell you. 

 

That was an awesome post. It would make sense if we weren't talking about a work of fiction that has clearly deviated from the books and changed things. As what usually happens when making a book into a show or movie.

 

Or even more rarely gets ahead of the books. But you know, that's all you want to hear.

 

You know more about game of thrones than me, go market that asset lol.

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5 hours ago, mrags said:
"As for the Night's King (the form I prefer), in the books he is a legendary figure, akin to Lann the Clever and Brandon the Builder, and no more likely to have survived to the present day than they have."[21]

 

4 hours ago, Doc Brown said:

Pretty good guess...

 

Now that ‘Game of Thrones’ is ending, here’s what you need to know about the new prequel series  When does the prequel take place?

 

 

If the prequel series includes the back story of Brandon the Builder, they should cast the guy who played Brandon Stark.  And maybe find a role for Max Von Sydow

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4 hours ago, Ol Dirty B said:

 

That was an awesome post. It would make sense if we weren't talking about a work of fiction that has clearly deviated from the books and changed things. As what usually happens when making a book into a show or movie.

 

Or even more rarely gets ahead of the books. But you know, that's all you want to hear.

 

You know more about game of thrones than me, go market that asset lol.

Well, since we’ve deviated from the books it really doesn’t matter at all. But if you read the entire article, a lot of your questions would be answered. 

 

“Little is known about his characteristics and traits before becoming the Night King, although he reacted with fear when Leaf plunged a shard of dragonglass into his chest. After becoming the Night King, he became nothing more than an emotionless killer with his only goal appearing to be to kill all in his path and add to his army, staying true to his nature as the first White Walker and being the ultimate embodiment of death.”

 

again, these are the questions that YOU had. Had YOU went out of your way and searched the internet and actually taken some time to read a little, YOU would have had your questions answered. 

 

Still cant laugh any harder that your mad at me because you’re too lazy to look up the information yourself. 

 

Enjoy. 

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18 hours ago, Dr Krentist said:

 

I don't think they ever killed him off. If I remember correctly, the actor became ill or something. I guess they could have replaced him like the Mountain.

 

I thought the finale was ok. Jon is definitely going to do his own thing. I think Bran sent him to the wall because he knows that's where he'll be the happiest besides Winterfell and to avoid conflict. Jon did seem to crack a slight smile when they were heading north. Nobody is going to enforce any rules Jon breaks and I don't think Greyworm is going to check up on him. Speaking of the Unsullied, won't they eventually die out since they can't reproduce?

The actor who played Ser Ilyn Payne died of cancer.  The show writers decided that rather than replace him, they would just kind of leave his character out for the rest of the series out of respect.

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good ending

 

overall a show that was able to provide strong female characters that held for seasons, very difficult to do....

 

glad it ticked off all those who deserved to get ticked off.

 

 

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10 hours ago, Doc Brown said:

Pretty good guess...

 

Now that ‘Game of Thrones’ is ending, here’s what you need to know about the new prequel series  When does the prequel take place?

 

....

10 hours ago, Doc Brown said:

But even that short description does offer some important hints as to what the new series will cover. For instance, viewers should finally get to see exactly how the White Walkers first started building the army of the undead that would eventually march south and attack Winterfell in the final season of “Game of Thrones.”

 

Why would anyone be so interested in that? The origin of the Night King and White Walkers was already explained in the show. It'll be fun to see more details, but there's no big mystery to unravel.

 

I'm much more interested in the stories of the past rulers/knights/heroes, the Targs/Starks, origin of the dragons, and the real mystery is the Lord of Light.

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