Rebuilding your offense from the inside out

[OldTimeAFLGuy]

3 hours ago, WideNine said:

Good article about the importance of your offensive line. Although written from the Giant's perspective they focus a lot on the moves that Colts made in the offseason to address their line with some quotes from our Frank Reich. Also a cautionary tale for those who think taking or paying for a top-tier running back is a wise move before a team has built a decent line to run behind.

 

 

Shurmur gives the nod to Colts success due largely to their retooling of their offensive line.

 

..."building from the ball out" is an older than dirt philosophy.....Marv tried to go back to it in 2006 as GM with the likes of Dock, Langston Walker, etc........only problem was he had the "wrong beef"......

[Bing Bong]

54 minutes ago, mjt328 said:

 

Great O-Lines don't last long, mostly because teams don't prioritize drafting that position high or keeping those players in free agency.

 

There is a lot of pressure to draft/keep the STAR running backs and receivers, when it's usually much smarter to spend that money on the O-Line.

 

You watch what happens if Beane/McDermott focus on repairing the O-Line first this offseason, and don't go after a #1 receiver.  Fans are going to pitch a fit.

 

 

We need to repair the OL no doubt. I'm ambivalent prioritizing offensive line or receiver since they're not mediocre by any means they're poor. Of course either one needs bolstering. I'm more talking General philosophy and that if we land 5 Marquis lineman like Dallas or Seattle did. When you go from mediocre to Elite offensive line I see that as a short term investment if or when Josh Allen is paid. 

 

Short-term I want to Band-Aid the offense to be as good as possible as soon as possible since I love the contracts we have at secondary. McDermott scheme and Hyde Poyer and white are the legitimate vet building blocks on this team. And drafting any non-quarterback on offense and investing a lot might give us a solid team pretty quickly

 

That's all contingent on Josh Allen though

Edited December 20, 2018 by BarkleyForGOATBackupPT5P

[billspro]

I don’t know if we will be able to find 4 in one offseason, but we need to add 2-3 very good starters.

[1st Ammendment NoMas]

I was going to post something to this affect before. My take was looking at the OL of Pittsburgh and Kansas City. They were both down to their 3rd string RB and both Williams and Samuels ran for well over 100 yds and moved the chains at will. The Bills most important off-season move will be to fix the OL with 3-4 key FA and draft picks.

[TheBeaneBandit]

5 hours ago, Chuck Wagon said:

 

 

You just going to invent a TE to sign in FA?  Outside of maybe Jared Cook it's a wasteland.

Eifert would be nice, and yes I know the injury aspect. Gotta take a swing though. Try and draft one as well.

Edited December 21, 2018 by TheBeaneBandit

[BillsVet]

7 hours ago, wppete said:

Very simple here, in the first round Draft Jonah Williams OT, Alabama. Move either him or Dawkins to LG. Sign the Best Center on the market and draft another Guard and another OT in the mid rounds.

 

Using a top 10 pick on a guard is asinine. 

 

Building an OL includes talent.  Coming together as a unit is just as important and sticking another UFA and high draft pick doesn't automatically mean things are good.   

[machine gun kelly]

I want two WR As a speedster like John Brown, and one excellent possession receiver like Sanu or Tate, and a good Guard.  We can afford it and still have holdover money for the stars we have to resign the following year.

 

Then in draft we take that stud from Alabama crimson tide Logan as our first take although he is supposed to be a top five pick.  I don’t  care if we have to bundle picks to get him.  Then TE, and more WR and O-Lineman to solidify this offense.  Look for gems in the undrafted ranks like Foster.  We’d have Jones, Foster, and McKenzie with two experienced WR, along with a better line, and find a TE and RB later in the draft.

 

it’s doable and would dramatically change our offense.  I know some want a CB, but we already have the #1 passing defense, and if we completely load up offense, we’ll see a top flight team.  We can afford it, and have the money and draft picks to sign these guys, along with holding over money for White and others the following to resign, the following year.

 

we still have time before we have to pay Allen big money with a 5 year option, if he turns out to be as good we think he can be for this team.

 

Thats my wish list.

[Call_Of_Ktulu]

15 hours ago, Ed_Formerly_of_Roch said:

 

 

As was pointed out in a number of articles,  Clays not a terrible tight end (excluding the pass at the end of the Miami game) he's just a very overpaid TE, however next year his salary is reasonable for the position.  If there aren't any better options out there, keep Clay for another year, maybe use a 2nd or a 3rd round pick on a TE to for the following year.  Croom also with another year under his belt could be a good #2 TE.

 

It's great to get rid of people, but you have to find a better replacement and also need to look at his salary vs production.

Croom, Jones, all O-Line except Dawkins and Teller, Castillo and Clay all need to be released. I think Castillo is the worst O-Line coach in the NFL. At the very least Croom and Castillo need to be gone.

[wppete]

8 hours ago, BillsVet said:

 

Using a top 10 pick on a guard is asinine. 

 

Building an OL includes talent.  Coming together as a unit is just as important and sticking another UFA and high draft pick doesn't automatically mean things are good.   

 

You simply don’t know what you are talking about says Quenton Nelson.

 

[BillsVet]

41 minutes ago, wppete said:

You simply don’t know what you are talking about says Quenton Nelson.

 

You can't mention Nelson or a guy like Brandon Scherff without including Jonathan Cooper or Chance Warmack.

 

Offensively rebuilding teams don't take guards that high. 

[wppete]

15 minutes ago, BillsVet said:

 

You can't mention Nelson or a guy like Brandon Scherff without including Jonathan Cooper or Chance Warmack.

 

Offensively rebuilding teams don't take guards that high. 

 

 

Once again you simply don’t know what you are talking about.

 

Look at the offensive line rankings. Last year Indy was dead last in OL ranking. (The would qualify them as a 2018 offensive line rebuild)

 

Indy in 2018 draft OG Quenton Nelson and this season are ranked the #1 offensive line in the NFL.

 

check out the stats for yourself.

 

http://www.nfl.com/stats/categorystats?conference=null&offensiveStatisticCategory=OFFENSIVE_LINE&defensiveStatisticCategory=null&season=2017&seasonType=REG&experience=&tabSeq=2&role=TM

[formerlyofCtown]

13 hours ago, billspro said:

I don’t know if we will be able to find 4 in one offseason, but we need to add 2-3 very good starters.

I think we get 2 Oline.  If he is available I think we will take a shot at Paradise.  Our line may not be as bad as we think.  Its very important for your Oline to play together.  If you have to many new starters you could end up struggling early in the season.

1 hour ago, Call_Of_Ktulu said:

Croom, Jones, all O-Line except Dawkins and Teller, Castillo and Clay all need to be released. I think Castillo is the worst O-Line coach in the NFL. At the very least Croom and Castillo need to be gone.

Absolutely, then we can go 6-10 next season as well.?

Edited December 21, 2018 by formerlyofCtown

[Big Gun]

What's funny as I see draft Oline, TE, WR or get Oline FA, Cook TE Oakland, FA WR. There is too many holes to fill in one off season to get Allen the proper help he needs.

 

This team needs 5-8 new and better starting offensive personnel. No way they get that many starting people. So then were looking at 2019 as a 7-9 8-8, another no playoff waste year, defense is a year older and maybe 2020 is a target year. Lets say 8-8 9-7 and squeak in or not so realistically were looking at 2021 when enough pieces are collected to actually be a good team and make a playoff run. By then defensive guys are leaving and the defense now has holes and isn't overly good, it's slightly below average so 2022 is the new target to be good and the cycle goes on and on because McClown was given too much slack, tore it all down without having to do so and didn't have a clue how to rebuild it and isn't a very good coach on top of that. Yay, can't wait for 2023 and a new coach!

[BillsVet]

8 minutes ago, wppete said:

Once again you simply don’t know what you are talking about.

 

Look at the offensive line rankings. Last year Indy was dead last in OL ranking. (The would qualify them as a 2018 offensive line rebuild)

 

Indy in 2018 draft OG Quenton Nelson and this season are ranked the #1 offensive line in the NFL.

 

check out the stats for yourself.

 

http://www.nfl.com/stats/categorystats?conference=null&offensiveStatisticCategory=OFFENSIVE_LINE&defensiveStatisticCategory=null&season=2017&seasonType=REG&experience=&tabSeq=2&role=TM

 

I'd recommend not telling people they don't know what they're talking about every time you disagree.       

 

In this case, correlation does not mean causation. The stats don't explain the effect having a healthy Andrew Luck, a new HC, better RB play, a new offensive coaching staff, or scheme changes mean. 

 

Besides, there isn't a guard prospect coming out in 2019 approaching a Quenton Nelson or Zach Martin level.  Even if there were and Buffalo was there to take them, the lack of positional value for guards combined with other needs like OT and WR matter. 

 

This is especially the case because the free agent market offers few options at WR, TE, or OT compared to guards, which are often there if a team is willing to pay.

 

 

 

 

[wppete]

Thanks for your recommendation but you still don’t know what you are talking about. 

[noacls]

Got to love arm chair GM's who know everything.  Lol

[Formerly Allan in MD]

Most games are won on the line.  You won't win a championship without a very good one.

[Ed_Formerly_of_Roch]

12 hours ago, Call_Of_Ktulu said:

Croom, Jones, all O-Line except Dawkins and Teller, Castillo and Clay all need to be released. I think Castillo is the worst O-Line coach in the NFL. At the very least Croom and Castillo need to be gone.

 

Glad your not in charge of anything!  You let  second year #2 pick go who was never expected to be a #1 WR go because he can't preform as the #1 guy (since they don't have anyone else) and a backup TE who's looked decent.  While I don't agree I can at least understand the  desire to prematurely release Jones, but really can't figure out what Croom has done wrong.  

 

So tell me who are the two TE's you plan to sign that will be an immediate marked improvement from Clay and Croom?   And how will their salaries compare?

[Buffalo Barbarian]

The Oline is our number priority. Will make the whole offense better.

 

 

[Chandler#81]

On 12/20/2018 at 3:27 PM, Magox said:

Buffalo should do reasonably within their power to get 2 of the best FA linemen available along with the best blocking/receiving TE for 2019.

 

Then draft WR's, a RB and more O and D linemen.   With that we're good to go.

Only problem I see with this is “the best blocking/receiving TE”. This cat is almost non-existent. You’re either one or the other. The ‘best’ at both translates to a jag. Clay would be this. With TE’s, you pick your poison while telling the defense what your intent is..

We MAY have answered our WR dilemma -at least we’re much better than the start of the season, so I agree it’s not essential we spend big buck$ there. We could really use a strong pass rusher which should be available with our 1st Pick. So yes, spend the big FA dollar$ on OL!!