ChicagoRic Posted November 22, 2018 Share Posted November 22, 2018 In short, did Peterman's weaker arm prompt the coaching staff to stick with big, possession-type receivers heading into the season? My theory (really flimsy, but there you go) is that McDermott and Daboll thought that Peterman would be an effective game-manager type QB using short and intermediate routes and gave him the big, tall, receivers to fit that game plan. Clearly, it did not work out that way, but you gotta wonder.... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alphadawg7 Posted November 22, 2018 Share Posted November 22, 2018 Just now, ChicagoRic said: In short, did Peterman's weaker arm prompt the coaching staff to stick with big, possession-type receivers heading into the season? My theory (really flimsy, but there you go) is that McDermott and Daboll thought that Peterman would be an effective game-manager type QB using short and intermediate routes and gave him the big, tall, receivers to fit that game plan. Clearly, it did not work out that way, but you gotta wonder.... No. They already said they intended for Allen to start week 1 but tried to delay a little longer after he struggled in the third preseason game. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted November 22, 2018 Share Posted November 22, 2018 5 minutes ago, ChicagoRic said: In short, did Peterman's weaker arm prompt the coaching staff to stick with big, possession-type receivers heading into the season? My theory (really flimsy, but there you go) is that McDermott and Daboll thought that Peterman would be an effective game-manager type QB using short and intermediate routes and gave him the big, tall, receivers to fit that game plan. Clearly, it did not work out that way, but you gotta wonder.... No. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoHuddleKelly12 Posted November 22, 2018 Share Posted November 22, 2018 I doubt this year’s roster construction for WR’s had anything to do with NP; that would not make any sense for any kind of rebuilding plan where you are trying to work with your long term pieces—however, regardless of which QB was starting, it’s safe to say the WR’s as a whole became a definite fail, and they have been working to address this in-season the last couple weeks to their credit. Single greatest reason for the fail would be every pass play targeting KB. May as well spike the ball at the line and work with one less down, same net effect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PittsforDave Posted November 22, 2018 Share Posted November 22, 2018 (edited) It’s apparent both McD and Beane have issues evaluating talent. I think it was another mistake and not a strategic move. I can’t believe this staff believed Peterman was the best out of the 3. Just crazy. Edited November 22, 2018 by PittsforDave 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted November 22, 2018 Share Posted November 22, 2018 1 hour ago, Alphadawg7 said: No. They already said they intended for Allen to start week 1 but tried to delay a little longer after he struggled in the third preseason game. ...don't recall where that was ever stipulated....debates were about McDermott coming from two distinctly different schools of thought....Andy in Philly with McNabb sitting for a year vs Cam in Carolina starting from day one...where was the OBD decision ever published?.......... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted November 22, 2018 Share Posted November 22, 2018 1 hour ago, ChicagoRic said: In short, did Peterman's weaker arm prompt the coaching staff to stick with big, possession-type receivers heading into the season? My theory (really flimsy, but there you go) is that McDermott and Daboll thought that Peterman would be an effective game-manager type QB using short and intermediate routes and gave him the big, tall, receivers to fit that game plan. Clearly, it did not work out that way, but you gotta wonder.... I’d hope they didn’t plan our offseason around propping up peterman but... maybe just me 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HomeskillitMoorman Posted November 22, 2018 Share Posted November 22, 2018 1 hour ago, ChicagoRic said: In short, did Peterman's weaker arm prompt the coaching staff to stick with big, possession-type receivers heading into the season? My theory (really flimsy, but there you go) is that McDermott and Daboll thought that Peterman would be an effective game-manager type QB using short and intermediate routes and gave him the big, tall, receivers to fit that game plan. Clearly, it did not work out that way, but you gotta wonder.... Probably not. And it would've been incredibly bad organizational planning if they constructed an offense based on the "strengths" of Nathan Peterman. But I"m not sure which would have been worse, terrible planning or the terrible evaluation abilities we've seen on that side of the ball. 20 minutes ago, PittsforDave said: It’s apparent both McD and Beane have issues evaluating talent. I think it was another mistake and not a strategic move. I can’t believe this staff believed Peterman was the best out of the 3. Just crazy. They're the same guys who just figured out very recently that speed can help your offense. I mean, it kind of makes sense. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alphadawg7 Posted November 22, 2018 Share Posted November 22, 2018 26 minutes ago, OldTimeAFLGuy said: ...don't recall where that was ever stipulated....debates were about McDermott coming from two distinctly different schools of thought....Andy in Philly with McNabb sitting for a year vs Cam in Carolina starting from day one...where was the OBD decision ever published?.......... Yeah, McD himself said earlier this year in a press conference or interview and so did Beane 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H2o Posted November 22, 2018 Share Posted November 22, 2018 I think it was just geared after the Panthers model. They realized it wasn't working and are now going a different route. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wppete Posted November 22, 2018 Share Posted November 22, 2018 I like that we are playing younge guys with speed. Let’s see Allen launch some bombs aginst the Jags. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buddo Posted November 22, 2018 Share Posted November 22, 2018 21 minutes ago, H2o said: I think it was just geared after the Panthers model. They realized it wasn't working and are now going a different route. QFT. At least part of that though, entails using the lesser parts of the model smh. I suppose we should be thankful that they are amending their approach. The major concerns really, are that it’s taken them so long to come up with better solutions, both at QB (backups) and WRs (speed). Al Davis wasn’t ever called wrong for saying ‘Speed Kills’, he was merely mocked regularly for his obsession with it. ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cripple Creek Posted November 22, 2018 Share Posted November 22, 2018 4 hours ago, ChicagoRic said: In short, did Peterman's weaker arm prompt the coaching staff to stick with big, possession-type receivers heading into the season? My theory (really flimsy, but there you go) is that McDermott and Daboll thought that Peterman would be an effective game-manager type QB using short and intermediate routes and gave him the big, tall, receivers to fit that game plan. Clearly, it did not work out that way, but you gotta wonder.... One million times "No." It was a failure by the HC, nothing more, nothing less. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted November 22, 2018 Share Posted November 22, 2018 2 hours ago, wppete said: I like that we are playing younge guys with speed. Let’s see Allen launch some bombs aginst the Jags. I’d prefer old slow guys. I need a good paying job. Fully willing to take on some occupational hazards. ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dafan Posted November 22, 2018 Share Posted November 22, 2018 1 hour ago, Buddo said: QFT. At least part of that though, entails using the lesser parts of the model smh. I suppose we should be thankful that they are amending their approach. The major concerns really, are that it’s taken them so long to come up with better solutions, both at QB (backups) and WRs (speed). Al Davis wasn’t ever called wrong for saying ‘Speed Kills’, he was merely mocked regularly for his obsession with it. ? Problem with Al Davis is he would draft a wr rated lower, for speed, over another wr that was graded a lot higher but slower. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted November 23, 2018 Share Posted November 23, 2018 5 hours ago, PittsforDave said: It’s apparent both McD and Beane have issues evaluating talent. I think it was another mistake and not a strategic move. I can’t believe this staff believed Peterman was the best out of the 3. Just crazy. Clearly they have issues evaluating talent. Our last two drafts had been brutal. ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ramza86 Posted November 23, 2018 Share Posted November 23, 2018 Well at least they have adjusted their strategy. They are going quicker. Lot of successful offenses are working like that. At least they are smart enough to go with the trend. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Formerly Allan in MD Posted November 23, 2018 Share Posted November 23, 2018 No Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gobills1212 Posted November 23, 2018 Share Posted November 23, 2018 Did anyone use 'Sal's sauce ' on their turkey today as per his reccomendation? Seems like a better question... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
transplantbillsfan Posted November 23, 2018 Share Posted November 23, 2018 10 hours ago, Alphadawg7 said: No. They already said they intended for Allen to start week 1 but tried to delay a little longer after he struggled in the third preseason game. When and where did they say that? Do you actually have a link? If that's true, I lost a little more respect for McDermott for not manning up early in training camp like he should have. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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