McD - we do have wins, although they are not always on the scoreboard. Saw some Bills style football yesterday

[MJS]

3 hours ago, MRM33064 said:

 

Not really.   I'd like some indicia that he has a clue about the modern NFL.   Do you think he's well-versed in analytics? (He knows them well, but just ignores them?)  He makes horrific tactical decisions - not the least of which was not even understanding that a tie was just as bad as a loss in last year's Colts game.

 

He talks about weather in Buffalo.  "Blue Collar" Buffalo.   The king of empty cliche.

 

McD seems like a very nice man.  A good DC, in a league that increasingly devalues defense.  Perhaps he is simply a brilliant strategic who continues to hide his brilliance from the league for long-term gain.

 

McDermott doesn't run the offense. He is not the offensive coordinator. He is a defensive coach. His stake in the offense is finding the right person to hire to run it.

[HomeskillitMoorman]

1 minute ago, MJS said:

 

McDermott doesn't run the offense. He is not the offensive coordinator. He is a defensive coach. His stake in the offense is finding the right person to hire to run it.

 

Quality head coaches understand both sides of the ball and have input everywhere. What you just said just further iterates that he should be a defensive coordinator, not a head coach. 

 

And even if you're OK with his only duty for the offensive side of the ball is finding the right person to run it...he's 0-2. 

[Reed83HOF]

8 minutes ago, Fadingpain said:

If you listen to him speak, McDermott will tell you, very clearly, that he is 100% an old school football guy.  Rex Ryan was the same.  Those guys are all the same.  The league left them behind a long time ago.

 

The people who are winning now, and who are going to do the winning in the future, are playing a different sport to the one McDermott thinks he knows something about.

 

"Control the line of scrimmage!  Tough physical football!  Establish the run game!"

 

 

 

This is true and this is what you get:

 

https://twitter.com/BradleyGelber/status/1059617590258085889

 

This is where the rest of the league is:

 

 

Edited November 6, 2018 by Reed83HOF

[Commsvet11]

1 minute ago, HomeskillitMoorman said:

 

Quality head coaches understand both sides of the ball and have input everywhere. What you just said just further iterates that he should be a defensive coordinator, not a head coach. 

 

And even if you're OK with his only duty for the offensive side of the ball is finding the right person to run it...he's 0-2. 

 

And that’s another problem in itself. He is stuck with his OC. He can’t fire him and get a quality OC because he will be on the hot seat next year, any OC won’t take the risk of being dismissed after one year. 

[Buffalo ill]

I've written off this season weeks ago, but I'm willing to give him next season.  If the team isn't competitive next year (not expecting a deep playoff/superbowl run his 3rd year) with an upward trend in the future likely, I'll be ready to move on.

[DuckyBoys]

8 minutes ago, Fadingpain said:

If you listen to him speak, McDermott will tell you, very clearly, that he is 100% an old school football guy.  Rex Ryan was the same.  Those guys are all the same.  The league left them behind a long time ago.

 

The people who are winning now, and who are going to do the winning in the future, are playing a different sport to the one McDermott thinks he knows something about.

 

"Control the line of scrimmage!  Tough physical football!  Establish the run game!"

 

 

You want to do that you need the personnel for it  We have a scatback who free lances and trash O line with soft as cheese te's an wrs that dont block  You want to run go sign/draft some maulers on O line  Go get a 280 lb TE with anger issues.  Run Ivory not McCoy  At least he will hit the line hole or not

[Alphadawg7]

46 minutes ago, twoandfourteen said:

 

I'm sure that has absolutely NOTHING to do with the fact that the Bears fired their old-school "defensive-minded" head coach and then hired a bright, young, innovative offensive-minded coach. 

 

Thank you for making yet another very strong case for firing McDermott ASAP.  I appreciate it. 

 

I wish I could give this post 2 trophies. 

 

They fired a bad coach, not a defensive coach.  This stupid notion that you cant coach if you come from defensive side is beyond stupid.  Go ask the Pats what they think of your thoughts.

[MJS]

2 minutes ago, HomeskillitMoorman said:

 

Quality head coaches understand both sides of the ball and have input everywhere. What you just said just further iterates that he should be a defensive coordinator, not a head coach. 

 

And even if you're OK with his only duty for the offensive side of the ball is finding the right person to run it...he's 0-2. 

 

That's a good principle, but that's not really what happens. Guys have an expertise in a certain background and then try to find experts to run the other side.

 

A head coach will provide overall direction and leadership for the team, but if a coach does not have a background on one side, he will not be intricately involved in the play calling and logistics of that side of the ball. How and why would he?

 

But yes, ultimately he is responsible for either side failing. But the answer isn't for McDermott to start learning how to call plays on offense and develop logistics, it is to find someone who already is an expert (an innovative offensive coordinator).

 

If McDermott does not find an offensive coordinator, he'll be fired eventually. But the failings on offense fall directly on the current players first, the offensive coordinator second, and only indirectly on the shoulders of McDermott (in my opinion).

[Wayne Arnold]

7 minutes ago, Reed83HOF said:

 

This is true and this is what you get:

 

https://twitter.com/BradleyGelber/status/1059617590258085889

 

This is where the rest of the league is:

 

 

 

BREAKING NEWS: Team with Tom Brady at quarterback good at passing.

 

Story at 11.

[Billsflyer12]

Just now, Alphadawg7 said:

 

They fired a bad coach, not a defensive coach.  This stupid notion that you cant coach if you come from defensive side is beyond stupid.  Go ask the Pats what they think of your thoughts.

I was enjoying you trolling everyone, now I worry that you actually believe everything what you are posting.

[Alphadawg7]

33 minutes ago, billsfan11 said:

All true Alpha. But in regards to your example with Trubisky, Chicago fired John Fox and brought in an offensive head coach that brought talent with him.

 

I think that’s precisely what a lot of fans here want. (Even me to a certain degree) To try and replicate the path the Bears went.

 

Here is the thing thought:  People need to stop comparing McD to Fox or Fisher.  They got fired for being bad HC's.  Fisher has the most losses in NFL history for instance.  

 

There is fairy tale going on amongst this board that suddenly feels this false narrative that a HC with defensive backgrounds cant be good NFL HC's...all the while Belicheck has dominated the NFL and this division for almost 20 years as a defensive minded HC.  

[Commsvet11]

Just now, Alphadawg7 said:

 

Here is the thing thought:  People need to stop comparing McD to Fox or Fisher.  They got fired for being bad HC's.  Fisher has the most losses in NFL history for instance.  

 

There is fairy tale going on amongst this board that suddenly feels this false narrative that a HC with defensive backgrounds cant be good NFL HC's...all the while Belicheck has dominated the NFL and this division for almost 20 years as a defensive minded HC.  

 

And a guy named Brady.

[Alphadawg7]

3 minutes ago, Commsvet11 said:

 

And a guy named Brady.

 

Who was drafted while BB was there.  And he was just ONE obvious Defensive minded HC, there are tons who have been successful and great coaches.  Besides, he still won 11 games with Cassel. 

 

And McD has had Tyrod, a raw rookie, and now bandaids with people hurt.  

Edited November 6, 2018 by Alphadawg7

[Reed83HOF]

3 minutes ago, Wayne Arnold said:

 

BREAKING NEWS: Team with Tom Brady at quarterback good at passing.

 

Story at 11.

Obviously you didn't read the bottom part...troll

[Fadingpain]

1 minute ago, Alphadawg7 said:

 

Here is the thing thought:  People need to stop comparing McD to Fox or Fisher.  They got fired for being bad HC's.  Fisher has the most losses in NFL history for instance.  

 

There is fairy tale going on amongst this board that suddenly feels this false narrative that a HC with defensive backgrounds cant be good NFL HC's...all the while Belicheck has dominated the NFL and this division for almost 20 years as a defensive minded HC.  

That's not what's going around at all.

 

What's going around is that this is now an offense-driven game and teams with an innovative offensive minded coach are likely to be the most competitive, or maybe even enjoy an advantage going forward.

 

But the Bills have a defensive minded HC who has already shown to my satisfaction that he has no understanding of the offensive side of the ball whatsoever.  

 

McD is "3 yards and a cloud of dust" guy.  That's not going to work in today's game. 

 

 

 

 

[McNubbins]

30 minutes ago, Wayne Arnold said:

TBD posters listening to McDermott interviews on the radio, moments before posting about it...

 

Genuine question, are you pleased with the team this year? ?

[twoandfourteen]

10 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said:

 

They fired a bad coach, not a defensive coach.  This stupid notion that you cant coach if you come from defensive side is beyond stupid.  Go ask the Pats what they think of your thoughts.

 

Go read my man Reed83HOF's post from a few minutes ago. BB just happens to be a defensive coach who realized how stupid it was to prioritize defense and the running game over a decade ago. He evolved and dictated where the league was going to go. It helped that he also had the best QB to ever play the game, too. But he didn't have Tommy hand off 30 times a game to "establish the line of scrimmage" -- he unleashed an innovative nuclear passing attack on the league. 

 

Pretty much aligns exactly with what I'm saying. 

 

You are really not very good at this.

6 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said:

 

Here is the thing thought:  People need to stop comparing McD to Fox or Fisher.  They got fired for being bad HC's.  Fisher has the most losses in NFL history for instance.  

 

There is fairy tale going on amongst this board that suddenly feels this false narrative that a HC with defensive backgrounds cant be good NFL HC's...all the while Belicheck has dominated the NFL and this division for almost 20 years as a defensive minded HC.  

 

How many 20+ point blowout losses does McD have so far?

 

You are really, really not very good at this. 

Edited November 6, 2018 by twoandfourteen

[Alphadawg7]

Just now, Fadingpain said:

That's not what's going around at all.

 

What's going around is that this is now an offense-driven game and teams with an innovative offensive minded coach are likely to be the most competitive, or maybe even enjoy an advantage going forward.

 

But the Bills have a defensive minded HC who has already shown to my satisfaction that he has no understanding of the offensive side of the ball whatsoever.  

 

McD is "3 yards and a cloud of dust" guy.  That's not going to work in today's game. 

 

 

 

 

 

So how did that fired HC John Fox field an offense that broke all NFL passing records and won the SB?  I mean how is this possible?  You guys say you cant field a high powered offense if you are a defensive HC.  How did Brady set the records that those Broncos broke?  How can it be?  No way this is possible, BB is also a defensive HC.

 

Hmmmm....maybe it doesn't matter.  Maybe what matters MORE is having the right personnel on the field to EXECUTE a high powered offense?  Nah, cant be that simple right...

[K-9]

4 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said:

 

Here is the thing thought:  People need to stop comparing McD to Fox or Fisher.  They got fired for being bad HC's.  Fisher has the most losses in NFL history for instance.  

 

There is fairy tale going on amongst this board that suddenly feels this false narrative that a HC with defensive backgrounds cant be good NFL HC's...all the while Belicheck has dominated the NFL and this division for almost 20 years as a defensive minded HC.  

I agree with your larger point here, but starting out as coaches in the NFL on the D side of the ball is where the similarities between Belichick and everyone else ends. Hes not just a “defensive minded coach”, he is a total master of the game of football, in all phases, in all game situations. He’s a football savant if there is such a thing. I mean, he was breaking down game films for his dad at the Naval academy when he was 9 years old for crissakes. 

[sullim4]

I think people want to see McD like this at a press conference...

 

 

[BillsFan130]

1 minute ago, Alphadawg7 said:

 

Here is the thing thought:  People need to stop comparing McD to Fox or Fisher.  They got fired for being bad HC's.  Fisher has the most losses in NFL history for instance.  

 

There is fairy tale going on amongst this board that suddenly feels this false narrative that a HC with defensive backgrounds cant be good NFL HC's...all the while Belicheck has dominated the NFL and this division for almost 20 years as a defensive minded HC.  

If you look at the top teams in the league in 2018, they all have offensive coaches.

 

Saints- Payton

Rams- McVay

Eagles- Pederson

Chiefs- Andy Reid

Patriots- I really cant say Belichick as a defensive head coach is the difference. He’s a brilliant coach of course and brings so many intangibles, but the reason the Pats are good this year is Brady. Their defence is actually one of the worst In football. 

 

I am not saying you can’t win with a defensive head coach. But In an offensive league where you will have to score 30 plus points to win a lot of games, I would prefer the Bills taking their chances by getting an offensive guy to take the reigns. 

 

 

 

 

[Alphadawg7]

12 minutes ago, twoandfourteen said:

 

Go read my man Reed83HOF's post from a few minutes ago. BB just happens to be a defensive coach who realized how stupid it was to prioritize defense and the running game over a decade ago. He evolved and dictated where the league was going to go. It helped that he also had the best QB to ever play the game, too. But he didn't have Tommy hand off 30 times a game to "establish the line of scrimmage" -- he unleashed an innovative nuclear passing attack on the league. 

 

Pretty much aligns exactly with what I'm saying. 

 

You are really not very good at this.

 

How many 20+ point blowout losses does McD have so far?

 

You are really, really not very good at this. 

You are not very good at this.  Who the hell cares about the blowouts, this IS NOT THE OFFENSE THEY ARE BUILDING.  I mean even a 4th grader can understand that.  They have NOT begun to fix the offense yet outside drafting Allen.  That is THIS year.  Both Beane and McD have stressed the importance of a passing attack in todays NFL, the DO NOT HAVE THE PERSONNEL YET TO DO IT.  I mean WTF is so hard for people to understand about that?????? Seriously?  They drafted their QB with the tools to lead a big passing game, next offseason its about adding the pieces around him to execute it.  Its not rocket science.  

Edited November 6, 2018 by Alphadawg7

[Wayne Arnold]

Just now, Reed83HOF said:

Obviously you didn't read the bottom part...troll

 

[K-9]

3 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said:

 

You are not very good at this.  Who the F cares about the blowouts, this IS NOT THE OFFENSE THEY ARE BUILDING.  I mean even a 4th grader can understand that.  They have NOT begun to fix the offense yet outside drafting Allen.  That is THIS year.  Both Beane and McD have stressed the importance of a passing attack in todays NFL, the DO NOT HAVE THE PERSONNEL YET TO DO IT.  I mean WTF is so hard for people to understand about that?????? Seriously?  They drafted their QB with the tools to lead a big passing game, next offseason its about adding the pieces around him to execute it.  For F**KS sake, its not rocket science.  

 

I get all that, but NO ONE knows what McD can do yet.  This is NOT even close to what he is trying to build.  He took a team led by TT who just about everyone here said could NEVER make the playoffs with TT and did just that.  Now he has a rookie QB, who also got hurt and no real support around him yet.  They are focusing on the offense this next year, we won't know what kind of a HC McD can be until then.  To judge him with the worst offensive peronnel in the league is absurd is my point.

Agree totally as the book on McDermott is far from written yet. I’m just saying comparing Belichick to any other defensive minded coach is a stretch for me. Like all HCs, McD has to fully understand the entire game and nobody has ever done that to the level of Belichick across all phases and aspects of the game, imo.

[Alphadawg7]

 

8 minutes ago, K-9 said:

I agree with your larger point here, but starting out as coaches in the NFL on the D side of the ball is where the similarities between Belichick and everyone else ends. Hes not just a “defensive minded coach”, he is a total master of the game of football, in all phases, in all game situations. He’s a football savant if there is such a thing. I mean, he was breaking down game films for his dad at the Naval academy when he was 9 years old for crissakes. 

 

I get all that, but NO ONE knows what McD can do yet.  This is NOT even close to what he is trying to build.  He took a team led by TT who just about everyone here said could NEVER make the playoffs with TT and did just that.  Now he has a rookie QB, who also got hurt and no real support around him yet.  They are focusing on the offense this next year, we won't know what kind of a HC McD can be until then.  To judge him with the worst offensive peronnel in the league is absurd is my point.

 

5 minutes ago, billsfan11 said:

If you look at the top teams in the league in 2018, they all have offensive coaches.

 

Saints- Payton

Rams- McVay

Eagles- Pederson

Chiefs- Andy Reid

Patriots- I really cant say Belichick as a defensive head coach is the difference. He’s a brilliant coach of course and brings so many intangibles, but the reason the Pats are good this year is Brady. Their defence is actually one of the worst In football. 

 

I am not saying you can’t win with a defensive head coach. But In an offensive league where you will have to score 30 plus points to win a lot of games, I would prefer the Bills taking their chances by getting an offensive guy to take the reigns. 

 

 

 

 

 

There are 100 ways to win, chasing what is new and shiny is a sure fire way to never get there.  

 

Payton - Hadn't made the playoffs in years until they finally started improving the Defense.  5000 season after 5000 yard season by Brees...LOSING record.  

 

Eagles arent the same this year, and their defense is a big reason why even though Wentz is playing great.  Hmmm....

 

Reid has NEVER won a SB and only been once.  And their only loss...to a smarter defensive coach, BB.

[BillsFan130]

6 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said:

 

You are not very good at this.  Who the F cares about the blowouts, this IS NOT THE OFFENSE THEY ARE BUILDING.  I mean even a 4th grader can understand that.  They have NOT begun to fix the offense yet outside drafting Allen.  That is THIS year.  Both Beane and McD have stressed the importance of a passing attack in todays NFL, the DO NOT HAVE THE PERSONNEL YET TO DO IT.  I mean WTF is so hard for people to understand about that?????? Seriously?  They drafted their QB with the tools to lead a big passing game, next offseason its about adding the pieces around him to execute it.  For F**KS sake, its not rocket science.  

 

I get all that, but NO ONE knows what McD can do yet.  This is NOT even close to what he is trying to build.  He took a team led by TT who just about everyone here said could NEVER make the playoffs with TT and did just that.  Now he has a rookie QB, who also got hurt and no real support around him yet.  They are focusing on the offense this next year, we won't know what kind of a HC McD can be until then.  To judge him with the worst offensive peronnel in the league is absurd is my point.

 

There are 100 ways to win, chasing what is new and shiny is a sure fire way to never get there.  

 

Payton - Hadn't made the playoffs in years until they finally started improving the Defense.  5000 season after 5000 yard season by Brees...LOSING record.  

 

Eagles arent the same this year, and their defense is a big reason why even though Wentz is playing great.  Hmmm....

 

Reid has NEVER won a SB and only been once.  And their only loss...to a smarter defensive coach, BB.

I’m not saying defence isn’t part of success. It is. But it’s just not as important as having a

modern day 2018 offence and it’s not as important as it was 15 years ago.

 

You can win a super bowl by having an average defence or even mediocre. You just can’t win by having an average offence any more

[twoandfourteen]

3 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said:

 

You are not very good at this.  Who the F cares about the blowouts, this IS NOT THE OFFENSE THEY ARE BUILDING.  I mean even a 4th grader can understand that.  They have NOT begun to fix the offense yet outside drafting Allen.  That is THIS year.  Both Beane and McD have stressed the importance of a passing attack in todays NFL, the DO NOT HAVE THE PERSONNEL YET TO DO IT.  I mean WTF is so hard for people to understand about that?????? Seriously?  They drafted their QB with the tools to lead a big passing game, next offseason its about adding the pieces around him to execute it.  For F**KS sake, its not rocket science.  

 

I get all that, but NO ONE knows what McD can do yet.  This is NOT even close to what he is trying to build.  He took a team led by TT who just about everyone here said could NEVER make the playoffs with TT and did just that.  Now he has a rookie QB, who also got hurt and no real support around him yet.  They are focusing on the offense this next year, we won't know what kind of a HC McD can be until then.  To judge him with the worst offensive peronnel in the league is absurd is my point.

 

McDermott personally identified and built just about the entire offense. The only holdovers are LeSean McCoy & Charles Clay. 

The QBs, the OCs (one already failed, one currently failing), 4 of the 5 starting OL, all of the WRs... McD picked all of them. 

 

The offense is HIS offense. This historically bad offense is the product of HIS management. 

 

 

 

Also, Mike Tolbert. 

 

 

[Alphadawg7]

6 minutes ago, K-9 said:

Agree totally as the book on McDermott is far from written yet. I’m just saying comparing Belichick to any other defensive minded coach is a stretch for me. Like all HCs, McD has to fully understand the entire game and nobody has ever done that to the level of Belichick across all phases and aspects of the game, imo.

 

I totally agree with you on that.  And I am not saying McD will be good at that, I am making the case there is no way to know that today given the talent he has to work with this year and the injury to Allen.  

 

I will say he managed to take a bad offense to the playoffs last year, and during a year most thought we would win 5 games around here.  So he has earned the benefit of the doubt until the personnel gets better next year.  End of next season, if the offense is not vastly improved after investing in it this off season, then his seat will get hot.

4 minutes ago, billsfan11 said:

I’m not saying defence isn’t part of success. It is. But it’s just not as important as having a

modern day 2018 offence and it’s not as important as it was 15 years ago.

 

You can win a super bowl by having an average defence or even mediocre. You just can’t win by having an average offence any more

 

You quoted a bunch of stuff not directed at you...lol.  So dont take it personal, I like your posts and you as a poster.

 

But, what about 2015?  Just 3 years ago.  Broncos won the SB with the worst QB's in the NFL that year in Manning and Brock during the regular season, and then won the big game with the worst QB performance in SB history for a winning QB.  

 

Flacco won the SB with mediocre offense a couple years before that.  Seattle won the SB and almost back to back with run first offense.  I mean this was all in the last handful of years.  Most SB's have-at least one team that isnt a prolific offense over the last 10 years, and several winners.  Giants beat Pats TWICE...who had the most prolific offense in NFL history at that point with defense.  

 

I meant there are more examples the last 10 to 15 years that say the opposite.

 

Meanwhile:  The most prolific passers:  Rogers, Brees, Rivers, Luck, Ryan, Stafford, etc have barely sniffed the SB and combine for only 2 SB wins.  

Edited November 6, 2018 by Alphadawg7

[JOE IN HAMPTON ROADS]

4 hours ago, MRM33064 said:

 

 

Pegula was so upset about Rex's ego that McD looked like a warm fuzzy blanket.  McD is exactly the WRONG guy to build a modern NFL team from scratch.

 

If this is true, I blame Doug Marrone.  Still.

[BillsSbSoon]

4 hours ago, jrober38 said:

 

I'm having Deja Vu from the Dick Jauron era. 

They run the same defense, and have the same philosophical approach to football and how to build a team. 

 

Both guys valued character over talent. 

Its pretty scary how similar it is really. Right down to the "ill have to look at the tape" spiel every pc

[BillsFan130]

6 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said:

 

 

 

You quoted a bunch of stuff not directed at you...lol.  So dont take it personal, I like your posts and you as a poster.

 

But, what about 2015?  Just 3 years ago.  Broncos won the SB with the worst QB's in the NFL that year in Manning and Brock during the regular season, and then won the big game with the worst QB performance in SB history for a winning QB.  

 

Flacco won the SB with mediocre offense a couple years before that.  Seattle won the SB and almost back to back with run first offense.  I meant this was all in the last handful of years.  Most SB's have been won on DEFENSE more than offense over the last 10 years.  Giants beat Pats TWICE...who had the most prolific offense in NFL history at that point with defense.  

 

I meant there are more examples the last 10 to 15 years that say the opposite.

Haha ya sorry I just accidentally quoted the whole thing lol. 

 

And true. But I will argue that 2015 and 2018 is a massive difference in terms of the rules for the offence. Even though it is only 3 years, things have changed so much.

 

And thanks Alpha, you as well! Always respect your posts and comments

Edited November 6, 2018 by billsfan11

[Alphadawg7]

5 minutes ago, twoandfourteen said:

 

McDermott personally identified and built just about the entire offense. The only holdovers are LeSean McCoy & Charles Clay. 

The QBs, the OCs (one already failed, one currently failing), 4 of the 5 starting OL, all of the WRs... McD picked all of them. 

 

The offense is HIS offense. This historically bad offense is the product of HIS management. 

 

 

 

Also, Mike Tolbert. 

 

 

 

You dont seem to know the difference of building and fielding.  The ONLY piece of the future they went out and got is Allen.  They have NOT begun the offensive rebuild.  But they STILL need to FIELD a team in the mean time.  Offensive rebuild rally starts this offseason.

[Commsvet11]

6 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said:

 

I totally agree with you on that.  And I am not saying McD will be good at that, I am making the case there is no way to know that today given the talent he has to work with this year and the injury to Allen.  

 

I will say he managed to take a bad offense to the playoffs last year, and during a year most thought we would win 5 games around here.  So he has earned the benefit of the doubt until the personnel gets better next year.  End of next season, if the offense is not vastly improved after investing in it this off season, then his seat will get hot.

 

You quoted a bunch of stuff not directed at you...lol.  So dont take it personal, I like your posts and you as a poster.

 

But, what about 2015?  Just 3 years ago.  Broncos won the SB with the worst QB's in the NFL that year in Manning and Brock during the regular season, and then won the big game with the worst QB performance in SB history for a winning QB.  

 

Flacco won the SB with mediocre offense a couple years before that.  Seattle won the SB and almost back to back with run first offense.  I mean this was all in the last handful of years.  Most SB's have-at least one team that isnt a prolific offense over the last 10 years, and several winners.  Giants beat Pats TWICE...who had the most prolific offense in NFL history at that point with defense.  

 

I meant there are more examples the last 10 to 15 years that say the opposite.

 

Meanwhile:  The most prolific passers:  Rogers, Brees, Rivers, Luck, Ryan, Stafford, etc have barely sniffed the SB and combine for only 2 SB wins.  

 I noticed you left out Brady. 

 

[Alphadawg7]

1 minute ago, billsfan11 said:

Haha ya sorry I just accidentally quoted the whole thing lol. 

 

And true. But I will argue that 2015 and 2018 is a massive difference in terms of the rules for the offence. Even though it is only 3 years, things have changed so much.

 

And thanks Alpha, you as well! Always respect your posts and comments

 

All good man, and I get where you are coming from, but I just dont think its as different as people think.  

Just now, Commsvet11 said:

 I noticed you left out Brady. 

 

 

What are you talking about, I have mentioned Brady a lot lol...read more than one post.

[JOE IN HAMPTON ROADS]

20 minutes ago, sullim4 said:

I think people want to see McD like this at a press conference...

 

 

this would be refreshing and confidence-building for the fans, if not the team.  

[twoandfourteen]

2 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said:

 

You dont seem to know the difference of building and fielding.  The ONLY piece of the future they went out and got is Allen.  They have NOT begun the offensive rebuild.  But they STILL need to FIELD a team in the mean time.  Offensive rebuild rally starts this offseason.

 

So... trading a 3rd round pick for Kelvin Benjamin and trading UP for Zay Jones don't count? If you're correct (You're not) that these are just temporary players holding down roster spots, then McDermott should be fired for wasting picks and not recognizing the value of draft capital. 

 

You are literally making an even better case for McD & BB to be removed. 

 

 

[Alphadawg7]

Just now, twoandfourteen said:

 

So... trading a 3rd round pick for Kelvin Benjamin and trading UP for Zay Jones don't count? If you're correct (You're not) that these are just temporary players holding down roster spots, then McDermott should be fired for wasting picks and not recognizing the value of draft capital. 

 

You are literally making an even better case for McD & BB to be removed. 

 

 

 

Beane did not trade draft Zay Jones.  Beane is our GM spear heading our rebuild, so irrelevant.  Plus Zay is on an inept offense with an inept QB, hard to still judge his second year right now.

 

The ONLY reason they traded for KB...ONLY reason was because Bills shocked everyone and made a playoff push and they made a move to try and help that playoff push because Jordan couldn't get healthy.  Unfortunately, KB got hurt when he got here, but the move was about the playoff run and trying to bring some help midseason at WR, and starting WR's aren't often available mid season.  

 

So sorry, but you're off base here 

[LSHMEAB]

3 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said:

 

Beane did not trade draft Zay Jones.  Beane is our GM spear heading our rebuild, so irrelevant.  Plus Zay is on an inept offense with an inept QB, hard to still judge his second year right now.

 

The ONLY reason they traded for KB...ONLY reason was because Bills shocked everyone and made a playoff push and they made a move to try and help that playoff push because Jordan couldn't get healthy.  Unfortunately, KB got hurt when he got here, but the move was about the playoff run and trying to bring some help midseason at WR, and starting WR's aren't often available mid season.  

 

So sorry, but you're off base here 

So they were tanking all along, but once they won a few games, they stopped tanking. Now that they suck, they're back to tanking. It's hard to keep up with these geniuses because they're so ahead of the curve.

 

Thank you for breaking it down.

[Commsvet11]

4 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said:

 

All good man, and I get where you are coming from, but I just dont think its as different as people think.  

 

What are you talking about, I have mentioned Brady a lot lol...read more than one post.

 

Prolific Passers

Rodgers, Brees, Rivers, Luck, Ryan and Stafford. 

 

You didnt include Brady. 

 

Your thinking of building a defense first is just wrong, there have been many times that the bills fielded an excellent defense but it didn’t do any good and there is a decent defense right now it means nothing because we can’t score. 

 

Same problem last year only it’s much worse. 

 

This FO has just one year to fix the offense and it’s not going to happen with the resources and time they have. 

 

 

[twoandfourteen]

11 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said:

 

Beane did not trade draft Zay Jones.  Beane is our GM spear heading our rebuild, so irrelevant.  Plus Zay is on an inept offense with an inept QB, hard to still judge his second year right now.

 

The ONLY reason they traded for KB...ONLY reason was because Bills shocked everyone and made a playoff push and they made a move to try and help that playoff push because Jordan couldn't get healthy.  Unfortunately, KB got hurt when he got here, but the move was about the playoff run and trying to bring some help midseason at WR, and starting WR's aren't often available mid season.  

 

So sorry, but you're off base here 

 

See below.

 

4 minutes ago, LSHMEAB said:

So they were tanking all along, but once they won a few games, they stopped tanking. Now that they suck, they're back to tanking. It's hard to keep up with these geniuses because they're so ahead of the curve.

 

Thank you for breaking it down.

 

What he said.