Here we go again - McDermott's choice of Peterman defines his coaching tenure

[billsfan1959]

24 minutes ago, nucci said:

well, would have been nice if they told us there were no plans for winning. we could have taken the season off like they have. We were 9-7  and in the playoffs last season. Most teams build off that.

It was always about tearing the team down last year, finding a franchise QB and other talent in the draft while eating the dead cap money this year, and building around their franchise QB while continuing to add defensive talent next year. Last year's playoff appearance was more a testament to good coaching, a weak AFC, and luck than it was about talent on this team. The lack of talent on the offensive side of the ball was there last year and then compounded by the losses of Wood and Incognito, a lack of cap space to acquire quality offensive free agent talent, and the need to use high draft capital on their QB of the future.

 

You can agree with their plan or not; however, it was always pretty clear they would try to stay as competitive as they could with the talent they had, offensively, while putting themselves in a position to truly address the rebuild next year (while already having added some centerpiece players in White, Edmunds, and, hopefully, Allen). Anyone who didn't see this year coming either wasn't paying attention or didn't want to see it.

[LABILLBACKER]

Until we get a capable franchise qb, everything else is just noise. Yes Mcdermott's obsession over Peterman is troubling. Since taking over he has improved the defense. We don't know whether Allen will work out but if he doesn't upgrade this offense real fast he'll be out on the streets as a defensive coordinator again....

[BillsFan130]

1 hour ago, xsoldier54 said:

Easy for you to say.  There was nobody to backup Andersen.  You can't just sign someone off the street and suit them up.  They need time to learn the offense.  This isn't fantasy football.  Peterman will be gone soon enough, but right now he's the only option.

 

Please read what I wrote one more time. I said he should have been cut after week 1. 

 

They should have signed a veteran to backup Allen. Like an Anderson, or Matt Moore, or Barkley, or trade a mid to late round pick for a veteran QB . Literally anything.

 

It is inexcusable to have Peterman on this roster.

 

They have to go with him now cause they have no choice. And that just shows how much Mcd and Beane butchered this situation 

[MJS]

Peterman playing has mostly been from a lack of choice. Tyrod was stinking up the place, so McDermott felt the need to make a change and Peterman was the next man up.

 

Peterman out performed the other QB's in the off-season and preseason, so he was a seemingly logical choice.

 

And now he starts from other QB's being injured.

 

I'm sure McDermott would be starting Aaron Rodgers if we had him, but we don't. We have Peterman and a bunch of injured guys.

[nucci]

1 hour ago, xsoldier54 said:

Easy for you to say.  There was nobody to backup Andersen.  You can't just sign someone off the street and suit them up.  They need time to learn the offense.  This isn't fantasy football.  Peterman will be gone soon enough, but right now he's the only option.

 

Yet they have done this by signing Anderson and starting him and have now signed Barkley

[Cotton Fitzsimmons]

YE OLE will not argue that the QB situation has been badly mishandled. A veteran like Anderson

should have been brought in sooner. And you probably won’t get much argument that Peterman should have been cut after week 1.  But, specifically for this game, I don’t think much could have been done to avoid disaster. Any team in the league, when down to their 3rd QB is probably trotting out someone from their PS a la Alex “Trick Shot” Tanny or someone like Matt Barkley. Maybe you get lucky and catch lightning in a bottle like with this Mullen’s joker last night, but it’s not likely. 

 

As bad as Peterman has been at turning the ball over, there are some throws he can make. It’d be nice if they can get him faking some of those out routes and lob some shots over the top like the one he dropped into Zay for the TD.

[CookieG]

40 minutes ago, Thurman#1 said:

 

 

Nah. The last 17 years were a series of GMs and coaches refusing to rebuild. "Sure, we were 7-9 last year but that was only bad luck. Next year we'll definitely do it. We don't need a rebuild. We'll just reload and reload and reload and reload." That's what's made the last 17 years so awful.

 

Consciously choosing the hell of a rebuild is pretty much the opposite of what was done for nearly all of the last 17 years.

Yeah, well, I'm not really sure where people get this, "we've never rebuilt before".

 

TD/GW took over in 2001. After 2002, there were about 3 starters on each side of the ball left.

 

Offense

Moulds

Price

Brown

 

Defense

Pat Williams

Winfield

maybe someone else

 

Jauron took over in 2006, by 2007 you again had about 3 players from each side of the ball left.

 

Offense

Evans

Josh Reed

Peters

(I suppose you can count Losman)

 

Defense

 

Schobel

Kelsay

McGee

maybe you can count Crowell and Greer, but they weren't starters in 2005.

 

I won't go into Buddy's regime..but it was clear that he was trying to rebuild the D, hoping it was going to be another Chargers D of the mid 2000's. And of course, he provided like 1 player to the O (Spiller).

 

In each case, a new coach, new GM new defensive scheme and of course, a new RB. In each case, the leaders of the old regime were gone. In each case, the cap was used as the excuse, "cap hell" was the catch phrase for the TD regime, "cash to cap" was the Levy/Jauron buzzword.

 

The only thing that stopped Rex from completely tearing down the 4th ranked defense he inherited was his firing. He was only able to get away with a partial tear down.

 

I'm not sure how those don't classify as a rebuild, at least the TD and Jauron regimes.

 

Unless, you're talking about tanking...which is just, so Cleveland.

 

In none of those cases did you have an offense that finished the prior season 10th in the NFL in scoring.

 

 

 

 

[TH3]

3 hours ago, Billsfan1972 said:

Very simply McDermott & this staff lost me in 2017 w

 Come back when they are gone

[KD in CA]

3 hours ago, Billsfan1972 said:

Very simply McDermott & this staff lost me in 2017 when they started dismantling the team in the pre-season.  I am no draft geek or understand schemes and the details.  I watch the game with my two eyes and wanted to see a better passing game and improved D in 2017.  Then the Bills started trading players in skill positions with recognizable names. 

 

So quite literally a fan who's upset the team isn't being built on the "I've heard of him!!" model.    

[IDBillzFan]

52 minutes ago, ScottLaw said:

Yep. 

 

Tired of our football team sucking year in and year out for the better part of 20 straight years. How dare us?

 

We choose to follow the team, and most of us go into the new season with hope. Some hope for wins. Some hope for progress. Some hope a miracle.

 

On the other hand, I choose not to open another "We need to fire everyone! Everyone sucks!" thread with any hope that it will be anything other than another tired thread of which fourteen already remain from the same four people.

 

Especially when firing everyone is THE most tiresome chant someone can posit.

 

If you're really tired of the team sucking for the better part of 20 years, here's an idea: find the person making you follow the team and bit the snottschitt out of them to make them stop.

Edited November 2, 2018 by LABillzFan

[2003Contenders]

Not sure why this is so hard to understand:

 

The plan this season was to have a veteran QB come in and serve as a bridge until Allen is ready. The team thought they were getting such a guy in AJ McCarron. However, McCarron did not live up to expectations and Peterman out-played him in the preseason. When the Raiders offered a 5th rounder, McCarron became fully expendable. After they traded McCarron, there were reports that the Bills reached out to other veteran QBs (including D. Anderson); however, they were unable to make a deal.

 

I do believe that the coaching staff (and McDermott in particular) like Peterman, but they also know what they have in him. Peterman seems like a good kid who really WANTS to be a good QB. He just does not have the physical talent. That said, the team gave Peterman a shot against the Chargers last season -- and McD was quick to pull the hook, benching him at halftime. The only time he saw any playing time at all the rest of the season was when Tyrod got hurt (before the Colts game and during the Jacksonville playoff game).

 

By de facto, Peterman started the first game against Baltimore -- and, again, McD was quick to pull the hook and bench him at halftime -- making the decision to go to Allen, even though they desperately wanted to red-shirt the rookie.  Given that the team likes to carry two healthy QBs, my guess is that Peterman would have been cut if they had another viable QB on the roster besides Allen. When they finally brought Anderson in a couple of days before the Houston game, they most likely planned to cut Peterman sometime the following week. However, Allen got hurt, leaving Anderson and Peterman as the only healthy QBs. As such, Anderson got the start the next 2 games. Now that Anderson is out, that leaves Peterman. So, it took injuries to two QBs (including one who has only been with the team for a couple of weeks) to get Peterman back on the field. And, with both Allen and Anderson ailing, they just brought in Matt Barkley.

 

With the bye week approaching and Allen hopefully healing up, the Chicago game could very well represent Peterman's last chance in the NFL.

[rodneykm]

5 hours ago, wppete said:

McDermott digging his own grave.

 

Starting today, what would you do differently? Who's your starter this weekend?

[Fadingpain]

If it wasn't for all the losing, it would be fun watching McDermott dig his own grave with Peterman.

 

Nothing we haven't seen many times before.  The ego/hubris of McD is the only reason Peterman is still on the team, much less playing.

 

We can all take solace in the fact that McD will pay for this with his job.

 

End of 2019 season probably, though could be sooner depending on how bad Allen and the team look next year.

 

 

[Yav]

Yea, off with the coaches head. How dare he start Peterman again, after all we have Barkley now and he really doesn't know the playbook. Better yet, lets play Allen, who cares that he can't trow yet and that he's injured. Oh, I know Anderson, screw the concussion protocol and injuries. 

 

SMH - seriously what option does he have? And don't start this ***** about AJ and not addressing the QB situation. Right now in this position what option does he have? Don't worry, I'll reply for you. Peterman or Peterman.

 

/end

[HomeskillitMoorman]

3 hours ago, CLTbills said:

I don't really think he's "picking" Peterman in this case. Everybody else is hurt. 

I'm not going to excuse him for picking him last year over Tyrod, or week 1 over Josh and AJ. 

But in this case, who else was he supposed to pick?

 

Who's fault is that? This regime made him a top 2 QB for the organization coming into the year, and not only that, decided he was good enough to be so reliable that he could start and then later on be the primary back up for Allen...fully knowing that the pickings would be incredibly slim on getting anyone half-decent during the season.

 

People are acting like this situation was forced upon this regime. It wasn't. It's happened because of Beane and McDermott's incredible level of failure with the most important position in sports. 

[NextYear'sTheOne]

"I don't really pay attention, but I'm mad" - OP

[Nihilarian]

I wonder how long it will take before we see Matt Barkley?

 

How many picks by Peterpick?

[Skins Malone]

55 minutes ago, NextYear'sTheOne said:

"I don't really pay attention, but I'm mad" - OP

This.  A guy who claims the coach lost him before he even coached a game.  All because he traded Watkins...oh yeah hey...isn't that the year the Bill's went to the playoffs for the first time in almost 20?

 

And OP you can say what you want but I guarantee you were screaming and jumping when Dalton made that pass. 

 

Was it a fluke we made the playoffs..Maybe.   But the fact remains McD is the first Bill's coach to get us to the playoffs in 20 years.  In his first year.  Now I'm not saying he will work out but I'm fine with giving him time.  Is so easy to scream for people to be fired but most of you have no realistic plan.   You say stuff like...bring in a coach that understands offense...yeah that means nothing.  

 

 

[ctk232]

6 hours ago, Billsfan1972 said:

Very simply McDermott & this staff lost me in 2017 when they started dismantling the team in the pre-season.  I am no draft geek or understand schemes and the details.  I watch the game with my two eyes and wanted to see a better passing game and improved D in 2017.  Then the Bills started trading players in skill positions with recognizable names.  I was really upset with the Watkins trade in this was borne out based on just how anemic the passing game was and the fact the Offense was putrid and unimaginative.  

 

I didn't know Nathan Peterman from a hole in the wall and couldn't care less about the 5th round draft pick as the Bills back-up.

 

Then came the LAC debacle and McD's defense of the decision and the disaster it was.  

 

If not for injuries/concussions, I wouldn't have been surprised to have seen Peterman start the playoff game (shade of Rob Johnson). 

 

They then draft their franchise QB in Allen (again knew the name and the details, but little else) and excited as to the future, but still worried about the offense and whether the staff & FO learned anything from 2017.

 

They sign AJ McCarron and I wonder why another 5th round back-up with all of 3 NFL games and even I wonder how is this so different from Peterman.

 

I then wondered if this was simply so that there was another QB in camp that Peterman could beat out and be named the starter so that he could redeem himself as a competent starting QB and McD be vindicated for the mockery of the decison to start him vs. the Chargers.  

 

Yes I was right and they traded AJ and Peterman was the starter, same as Bradford in Arizona & TT in Cleveland.  Bridgewater was traded so that if Darnold struggled there was a "real" vereran behind him and not someone like Bridgewater competing to start.  

 

So yes it all comes back to Peterman and McDermott's (who drafted him as Beane wasn't there) dogged defense of him and wanting him to succeed that has this team in such disarray.    

I'm confused - didn't they sign McCarron prior to drafting Allen? Might just be how I'm reading the first part, but the chronology seems off there. 

 

Second to the second passage emboldened - you're claiming, based off of pure speculation as far as I can tell and research, that McD and Beane brought in McCarron for the sole purpose of making Peterman the starter? Thereby risking their entire future on a conspiracy to start a 5th round pick? Even after the fact that they said McCarron wasn't the QB they thought he was, and clearly isn't, AND he also got injured prior to starting the season. Even I question not keeping him on the roster at that time but this conspiracy is fairly illogical.

 

I mean, say what you will about McD but the likelihood of him basing a decision off of pure pride and as you've stated, sabotage, is just lunacy.

[CookieG]

2 hours ago, ScottLaw said:

Yep. 

 

Tired of our football team sucking year in and year out for the better part of 20 straight years. How dare us?

It's just some people trying to find rational for what McBeane have done/are doing. 

 

 

There are enough analogies for what they've done to the offense. 

 

The young roofing contractor you hire who decides to rip apart the HVAC system, leaving AC and furnace parts scattered all over the basement as he tries to gerry rig it back together;

The computer geek you hired to design a website, who decides to fool around with your OS, screwing it up royally.

The mechanic you hire for engine work, but he takes it on himself to rebuild your transmission, never having worked on one, much less rebuild one. And now with tranny parts all over the garage, he keeps trying to jam in salvage yard parts.

 

Based on what they had on O, this could have been one of the easiest "rebuilds" for a Bills O in recent memory.  They chose the path of most resistance, for a task that neither has ever attempted.

1 hour ago, LABillzFan said:

 

 

 

If you're really tired of the team sucking for the better part of 20 years, here's an idea: find the person making you follow the team and bit the snottschitt out of them to make them stop.

Well, that would be my parents, since they brought me into the world, and like most Bills' fans, its part of our DNA.

 

My dad's been gone for 30 years and my mom is in her 80's, so I'm not beating her, or biting her.