26CornerBlitz Posted October 30, 2018 Share Posted October 30, 2018 Just now, BillsEnthusiast said: Yeah, put the virtuoso on this squad and see what happens. The point is neither would be as good as they are on this team as it is now. Facts. The point is he's a franchise changing player. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roundybout Posted October 30, 2018 Share Posted October 30, 2018 Just now, 26CornerBlitz said: The point is he's a franchise changing player. Which many members of this board didn't want because of the gimmick spread offense he ran at Texas Tech and his horrible mechanics. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Gun Posted October 30, 2018 Share Posted October 30, 2018 1 hour ago, Coach Tuesday said: Read Shady's post-game quotes. Think he signed up for this level of ineptitude? Honestly, I should've just written, "Fire Beane: Nate Peterman is still on the roster." That alone... I would also like to know what line of BS they told Kyle Williams that enticed him to come back this year. I think they lied to him saying they would be good. I think McCoach loses the locker room before the end of the year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldmanfan Posted October 30, 2018 Share Posted October 30, 2018 Just now, BillsEnthusiast said: Which many members of this board didn't want because of the gimmick spread offense he ran at Texas Tech and his horrible mechanics. I was one of them. As were many other individuals here and more importantly many other teams in the league. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCal Deek Posted October 30, 2018 Share Posted October 30, 2018 1 minute ago, oldmanfan said: It will take more than one offseason. One can only assume they focus on offense this coming offseason. That’s what everyone is saying but it doesn’t work that way in ANY business. You cannot completely ignore any part of your team or company. Think about it. The 2018 Bills don’t have a single rookie playing on offense right now! That’s hard to fathom. Not one? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsVet Posted October 30, 2018 Share Posted October 30, 2018 1 hour ago, Coach Tuesday said: The systematic dismantling of one of the Bills' highest-producing offenses in franchise history, replacing it over two years with what is shaping up to be statistically the worst offense in the modern era - an incredible feat when you consider that offenses are scoring points at a record pace - cannot go unpunished. Brandon Beane gutted the offense and has failed to draft or acquire a single quality player on that side of the ball. Not one. The 2017 WR group was the worst in the NFL - and they did absolutely nothing - NOTHING - to upgrade it. The lack of talent on offense predictably led to the highly-invested QB getting seriously injured. There is no excuse for this - none. Don't tell me they're "tanking" - no team tanks the year AFTER drafting their franchise QB. Don't tell me they have cap problems and are "rebuilding" - those problems are self-imposed, and even if they were sound decisions (which is dubious), there is no excuse for failing to even attempt to acquire playmakers during the offseason. Find some speedy gadget WRs and a James White-type scat back who can create mismatches. Find me one - ONE tight end who can BLOCK, let alone occasionally get open and catch a pass. Find me a guard who can move laterally without running into his own guys, or a right tackle who can at least attempt to execute a cut block without taking himself, and only himself, out of the play... This offense is a shambles and it absolutely positively did not have to be. No one expected this team to contend for the Super Bowl this season but fans act like there is nothing in between a Lombardi and the first overall draft pick - it just ain't so. Brandon Beane's "solutions" at WR have included trading up for Zay Jones (if you want to put that draft on him - fine with me if you don't), trading Watkins, trading for Kelvin Benjamin, trading for Jordan Matthews, trading for Corey Coleman, signing Jeremy Kerley. I would let Beane spend the day working the trade wire and, come 4:01 p.m., if the roster is not upgraded for 2019, I would fire him. Why wait? I suppose you could do the Bills-y thing and wait until Beane squanders $80M in salary cap room and 8 draft picks, but why saddle the next GM with that? Get a head start now - once the trade deadline has come and gone, there really isn't much more for the GM to do until the offseason. Now is the time to make the change. And for those of you who want to tell me that it's really McD calling the shots - fine. This will put him on notice. He has no business making personnel decisions and screw the Pegulas for their nonsensical org chart - they want to piss away their $1B business, I guess that's their right. They are clueless. If they understood accountability, they'd tell McDermott he's going to be judged based upon Juan Castillo and David Culley and the rest of the bogus offensive coaching staff that McD hired. But they probably won't. Fire Beane, do it tomorrow morning, rip the bandaid off and move forward. Solid post CT. The only thing I'd add is their plan at QB and how negligent it was to start the season with Peterman backed up by a raw rookie like Allen. And then, when Peterman threw up on himself in week 1, they were forced to play Allen. It took all of one week before their "plan" was upended. I cannot believe that two men with a combined almost 40 years in the NFL thought this was somehow a good idea. At the same time, this is what happens when ownership doesn't know what they're looking for in a HC other than someone who's organized and has some type of plan. Well, I'd say offensively their plan has been flawed from the start, the coach spent far too much on defense, and doesn't appreciate the modern game. I don't long for the days of RW, but the Pegula's have been a huge disappointment as owner. For all the talk about winning, there's been very little and they've failed to hire anyone I see getting them deep into the playoffs. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted October 30, 2018 Share Posted October 30, 2018 2 minutes ago, BillsEnthusiast said: Which many members of this board didn't want because of the gimmick spread offense he ran at Texas Tech and his horrible mechanics. Who cares what anyone on TSW wanted. The issue is the professional judgment of the powers that be at OBD. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DefenseWins Posted October 30, 2018 Share Posted October 30, 2018 1 hour ago, Coach Tuesday said: B.S. This is no "process." There is no way that this level of offensive ineptitude was PLANNED. Well, you are sorta right in the cases of Richie and Wood. He certainly couldn't have known that Richie would go wacko nor could he have planned Woods sudden need for a medical retirement. But make no mistake. A rebuild was always in the cards. I thought it would have happened the year before but the defense in particular jelled unusually fast thanks to the acquisitions of Hyde, Poyer and EJ Gaines and the drafting of a true shutdown corner in Tre White. I can't remember when we have ever had a better secondary. I know people are upset about how putrid the Bills are this season but you have to give the front office a chance to rebuild the offense in the off season. The top 5 probable draft pick will help a lot. Not to mention the 90 million in cap space to attract FA's. I've watched this team since it's inception in the AFL. I've seen a lot worse... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
liverpoolkev Posted October 30, 2018 Share Posted October 30, 2018 20 minutes ago, JoshAllenHasBigHands said: So this whole thread is about Beane. Beane wasn't here when those decisions were made. In fact, we had a lame duck GM. So your solution is to invest the future in the franchise (and McDermotts future as a coach) in a QB that hasn't been vetted by your people? QBs who almost universally were considered highly flawed prospects? Exactly this mess is really about church boy mcdermett he initiated the exodus of young talent and acquiring older players , Tolbert anyone , mcdermott thought it was ok to pass on Watson& Mahomes who both played better competition and no draft capital was needed. We watched Watson for two years take apart Alabama defense. The only thing both Warson & Mahomes didn't have was MY skin tone. I MIGHT OF HAD MY DIFFERENCES WITH WHALEY BUT HE CAN JUDGE FOOTBALL TALENT something mcdermet/beane dont seam to have a clue about Speaking of flawed what have this QB did compare to the 2017 prospects that made you feel comfy enough to trade up for this. I'll put it to you this way if JOSH looked like Watson or Mahomes he would still be looking to get drafted. He is nothing more than a white Cordelle Jones except Cordelle won a national championship. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoHuddleKelly12 Posted October 30, 2018 Share Posted October 30, 2018 1 hour ago, Ittakestime said: Finally people are realizing what a cluster Beane is. He will end up going down as the worst GM this team has ever seen, and that is saying a lot. The guy is clueless, yet has one of the biggest egos I have ever seen. McDermott and Whaley were great together. Provided a nice check and balance. Whaley was able to scout, and McDermott was allowed to make the decisions based on Whaley's scouting. Beane now runs everything player wise and it is a stark contrast to the talent that was brought in before he got here. If you judge FO's based on the bottom line of wins/losses, then there have certainly been worse in Bills franchise history, and at worst he at least ties 3 other times if the Bills fail to win again at all this year. "It takes time" to build a winner from the ground up, even though I know it's not what many here want to hear. That said, if JA ends up a bust this coming season, then all bets are off and we will be on to the new regime search quicker than later. The D has been a pleasant surprise and gave us one of the better performances against Brady for most of the night, that I've ever seen outside of the Giants in SB's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roundybout Posted October 30, 2018 Share Posted October 30, 2018 9 minutes ago, oldmanfan said: I was one of them. As were many other individuals here and more importantly many other teams in the league. I wanted him. Bad. But I can get over it unlike some patrons here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nedboy7 Posted October 30, 2018 Share Posted October 30, 2018 People saw this coming? Us becoming one of the worst team in history? You actually think that’s part of a rebuild? My god! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HumbleAndHungry Posted October 30, 2018 Share Posted October 30, 2018 (edited) McDermott reminds me of a MLB traditionalist, who is dead set on tradition, culture, and using an outdated blueprint . In order to succeed you need to be proactive and have foresight. You must adapt and morph. Building a dominant defense in a new NFL that is tailored to produce record high offense is silly. Build a great offense and an average semi respectable defense Edited October 30, 2018 by Finkle Is Einhorn Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoHuddleKelly12 Posted October 30, 2018 Share Posted October 30, 2018 6 minutes ago, liverpoolkev said: Exactly this mess is really about church boy mcdermett he initiated the exodus of young talent and acquiring older players , Tolbert anyone , mcdermott thought it was ok to pass on Watson& Mahomes who both played better competition and no draft capital was needed. We watched Watson for two years take apart Alabama defense. The only thing both Warson & Mahomes didn't have was MY skin tone. I MIGHT OF HAD MY DIFFERENCES WITH WHALEY BUT HE CAN JUDGE FOOTBALL TALENT something mcdermet/beane dont seam to have a clue about Speaking of flawed what have this QB did compare to the 2017 prospects that made you feel comfy enough to trade up for this. I'll put it to you this way if JOSH looked like Watson or Mahomes he would still be looking to get drafted. He is nothing more than a white Cordelle Jones except Cordelle won a national championship. Race card? Does that also then indict every other FO that passed on Watson/Mahomes during that draft? And what actual % of this roster has your skin tone which I assume is white? Sorry, but injecting race into this topic misses the mark and takes away from your more substantive points about Whaley's judging of football talent, IMHO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
All_Pro_Bills Posted October 30, 2018 Share Posted October 30, 2018 Beane's stint at GM has been a mixed bag so far and he's not going to be fired before year 3. But he has to hit next year to improve the offense that just plain sucks. The fact is the Bills offense has been bad for a long time, just not this bad. How many times have the Bills been in the top 10 measured on yardage in the past 15 years? Zero. 2017 29 2016 16 2015 13 (the best) 2014 26 2013 19 2012 19 2011 14 2010 25 2009 30 2008 25 2007 30 2006 30 2005 28 2004 25 2003 30 So let's no make it seem like Beane disassembled some offensive juggernaut here. That said, I still agree they could have done a lot more to help the offensive side of the ball and the unplanned losses of Wood and Incognito didn't help. I also love how Mahomes gets dragged into almost every thread. Playing Chicago this week might provide some opportunity to commiserate with Bears fans as their team swapped picks with the 49ers in a trade up for Trubisky when they could have stayed at 3 and picked Mahomes too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
liverpoolkev Posted October 30, 2018 Share Posted October 30, 2018 (edited) 2 minutes ago, NoHuddleKelly12 said: Race card? Does that also then indict every other FO that passed on Watson/Mahomes during that draft? And what actual % of this roster has your skin tone which I assume is white? Sorry, but injecting race into this topic misses the mark and takes away from your more substantive points about Whaley's judging of football talent, IMHO Don't confuse race card with facts we drafted 10 in 2017.The original plan was to finally draft a QB to let him sit for a year. Then for some reason the GM wasn't allowed to draft, his board was demolished and his scouting staff was dismissed. Then we hear the trading up to get a lineman because of a phone call from Beane when he was still working for CAROLINA mind you, then another trade to move up for ZAY JONES because his coach, hired by mcdermott , was here Edited October 30, 2018 by liverpoolkev spelling Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldmanfan Posted October 30, 2018 Share Posted October 30, 2018 13 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said: That’s what everyone is saying but it doesn’t work that way in ANY business. You cannot completely ignore any part of your team or company. Think about it. The 2018 Bills don’t have a single rookie playing on offense right now! That’s hard to fathom. Not one? 14 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said: That’s what everyone is saying but it doesn’t work that way in ANY business. You cannot completely ignore any part of your team or company. Think about it. The 2018 Bills don’t have a single rookie playing on offense right now! That’s hard to fathom. Not one? You know why they don't have a rookie paying on offense right now? Because the rookie QB is hurt. The rookie QB. That pretty much everyone claiming to be a BIlls fan has yelled since the retirement of Jimbo that they had to try and get if they want to go anywhere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevin1778 Posted October 30, 2018 Share Posted October 30, 2018 He did his job. He fixed the cap mess. His moves in next year will determine his success or failure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
May Day 10 Posted October 30, 2018 Share Posted October 30, 2018 They will get 2019 and probably 2020 as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tisker A Tasker Posted October 30, 2018 Share Posted October 30, 2018 The worst part was when Beene got rid of Wood and Incognito and didn't get anything in return. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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