[Name Only Title] Wyatt Teller?

[MrEpsYtown]

2 hours ago, 26CornerBlitz said:

 

 

 

I'd take "meh" over "God-awful" any day of the week. But Trapasso was wrong about Mason Rudolph. 

[26CornerBlitz]

2 minutes ago, MrEpsYtown said:

 

I'd take "meh" over "God-awful" any day of the week. But Trapasso was wrong about Mason Rudolph. 

 

The interior of the OL is clearly in need of upgrades so why not give Teller a shot with the team languishing at 2-7.  I didn't like Mason Rudolph and never understood his grade on him. 

[MrEpsYtown]

1 minute ago, 26CornerBlitz said:

 

The interior of the OL is clearly in need of upgrades so why not give Teller a shot with the team languishing at 2-7.  I didn't like Mason Rudolph and never understood his grade on him. 

 

Agreed. There is absolutely zero reason not to play Teller. Just let him play. Sirles too...if they aren't planning on bringing Mills back, what's the point of playing him? 

 

And I just have a hard time with Trapasso now because that was so egregious I really can't take him seriously anymore. 

[Mr. WEO]

For the price of Teller and Ray Ray,  the Bills could have had Valdez-Scantling and St. Cloud----both of whom were picked by GB.....

 

But, no.  McD knew we were all set at WR, picking instead Ray Ray and Proehl--2 guys who would have been UDFA if the Bills hadn't drafted them.

Edited November 6, 2018 by Mr. WEO

[Misterbluesky]

18 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said:

 

The interior of the OL is clearly in need of upgrades so why not give Teller a shot with the team languishing at 2-7.  I didn't like Mason Rudolph and never understood his grade on him. 

Move Ducasse back to right so we can yank concrete feet (miller)..play Teller at left...he pulls out well....run the damn ball between Dawkins and Teller.jmho.Richie had great footwork and Teller's got it too.

[3rdand12]

4 hours ago, ColoradoBills said:

 

Mills is a FA next year. FWIW.

maybe they can get an extension done over the by week !!!

3 hours ago, Johnny Hammersticks said:

 

???

wowsers. musta been garbage time  lol..

46 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said:

 

The interior of the OL is clearly in need of upgrades so why not give Teller a shot with the team languishing at 2-7.  I didn't like Mason Rudolph and never understood his grade on him. 

can't risk any near death Experiences for whomever is QBing. because we are that close to seeing a QB breaking down and crying if the Line cannot get their shirt together

jk

[John from Riverside]

37 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said:

For the price of Teller and Ray Ray,  the Bills could have had Valdez-Scantling and St. Cloud----both of whom were picked by GB.....

 

But, no.  McD knew we were all set at WR, picking instead Ray Ray and Proehl--2 guys who would have been UDFA if the Bills hadn't drafted them.

That hind sight thing is a B word

[3rdand12]

28 minutes ago, Misterbluesky said:

Move Ducasse back to right so we can yank concrete feet (miller)..play Teller at left...he pulls out well....run the damn ball between Dawkins and Teller.jmho.Richie had great footwork and Teller's got it too.

Nice point. use them to their strengths

[John from Riverside]

Just now, 3rdand12 said:

Nice point. use them to their strengths

I would actually like to see free agents brought in at OG and Center

 

or

 

Draft a LT high...move Dawkins to LG.....pay for a good Free agent Center.....Wyatt Teller to RG and pay for a free agent OG.....keep Mills

[3rdand12]

3 minutes ago, John from Riverside said:

I would actually like to see free agents brought in at OG and Center

 

or

 

Draft a LT high...move Dawkins to LG.....pay for a good Free agent Center.....Wyatt Teller to RG and pay for a free agent OG.....keep Mills

Mills can play second string or heavy.
I would invest in FA at 3 spots at least on the line. If i had my wish, get the line to a point of steady and consistent. and i do not care the cost, if you want to take care of the Franchise QB.
Then WRs ! Two who can play football and have proven it.
Draft showed we may not have a good eye for WRs yet. so could go either way.

 always draft for defense. Bills do a better job on that side of the ball and developing players post Rex

[3rdand12]

I like Wyatt Teller.
and i keep hope is going to develop over the years to the point of him getting his second contract playing for the Bills. Because he plays well and the FO doesn't act stupid and hang him out there.

 just a vision i had.

I like Dawkins too. he will improve
 

[billspro]

1 hour ago, MrEpsYtown said:

 

I'd take "meh" over "God-awful" any day of the week. But Trapasso was wrong about Mason Rudolph. 

 

How do you know that? We won’t know that until Big Ben retires. He is in the best situation of all the rookie QBs.

[Bob in STL]

There are lots of quality LTs in this draft and we can trade back to get more picks and still get a very good one.   

 

We would love to see 5 picks in the first 3 round and a trade back could do it.  And stop trading up and wasting picks.  

 

If we can accumulate a few prime picks we can get a quality O-lineman and a receiver.  We also need a corner and depth at LB (Lorenzo will not last forever). 

 

With free agency we can address OL and WR as a priority.  

[Nitro]

2 hours ago, Mr. WEO said:

For the price of Teller and Ray Ray,  the Bills could have had Valdez-Scantling and St. Cloud----both of whom were picked by GB.....

 

But, no.  McD knew we were all set at WR, picking instead Ray Ray and Proehl--2 guys who would have been UDFA if the Bills hadn't drafted them.

Proehl was second to last pick.  Not many drafted in that slot do much.   Teller looked good in his first action 

[MrEpsYtown]

1 hour ago, billspro said:

 

How do you know that? We won’t know that until Big Ben retires. He is in the best situation of all the rookie QBs.

Trappaso had him as his top guy over all of those quarterbacks drafted in the top ten and Jackson and Rudolph went in the third round. He isn't good enough to beat out Josh Dobbs and has been inactive all season ala Christian Hackenberg. Maybe he amounts to something someday, but Trappaso was wrong. 

[Mr. WEO]

3 hours ago, John from Riverside said:

That hind sight thing is a B word

 

It's not hindsight when you can draft for a position of extreme need (in a very deep WR draft) vs drafting bench players.

 

It all goes to the fact that there is little reason to be confident that McD will suddenly be better at evaluating offensive potential draftees in his 3rd draft than he was in the first 2.  

 

1 hour ago, Nitro said:

Proehl was second to last pick.  Not many drafted in that slot do much.   Teller looked good in his first action 

 

That wasn't the point.  There were better WRs available in the tail of the Bills draft (round 5 and later).  It's nice that Teller looked Ok in week 9 though.

[John from Riverside]

2 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said:

 

It's not hindsight when you can draft for a position of extreme need (in a very deep WR draft) vs drafting bench players.

 

It all goes to the fact that there is little reason to be confident that McD will suddenly be better at evaluating offensive potential draftees in his 3rd draft than he was in the first 2.  

 

 

That wasn't the point.  There were better WRs available in the tail of the Bills draft (round 5 and later).  It's nice that Teller looked Ok in week 9 though.

Dont you think the jury is still out here a little bit?  What if Wyatt Teller ends up becoming a starter next year?

 

Remember....you dont draft players for just the year they were drafted......and you surely dont do it in the 5th round of a draft.

[Mr. WEO]

9 minutes ago, John from Riverside said:

Dont you think the jury is still out here a little bit?  What if Wyatt Teller ends up becoming a starter next year?

 

Remember....you dont draft players for just the year they were drafted......and you surely dont do it in the 5th round of a draft.

 

 

So what?  He'll be a starter on a crappy O-line, like he was Sunday.  He can't make much of a difference, given his position.  I'd rather have 1 or 2 potential starters at WR.  Their impact should be more obvious.

 

The point is that he drafted 2 WRS.....as an afterthought.  Proehl probably because he vaguely remembers his father playing in the NFL.

[John from Riverside]

6 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said:

 

 

So what?  He'll be a starter on a crappy O-line, like he was Sunday.  He can't make much of a difference, given his position.  I'd rather have 1 or 2 potential starters at WR.  Their impact should be more obvious.

 

The point is that he drafted 2 WRS.....as an afterthought.  Proehl probably because he vaguely remembers his father playing in the NFL.

I also would like to see better offensive weapons drafted.....but we ARE talking about the 5th round of the draft.....real project status time.

 

and I disagree that Wyatt Teller cannot affect this team....if he ends up being a quality starter this OL is soooo bad right now

[Mr. WEO]

16 minutes ago, John from Riverside said:

I also would like to see better offensive weapons drafted.....but we ARE talking about the 5th round of the draft.....real project status time.

 

and I disagree that Wyatt Teller cannot affect this team....if he ends up being a quality starter this OL is soooo bad right now

 

Quality O-line starter?  Hmmm, we heard his entire career that Joe Thomas (drafted instead of Adrian Peterson in a draft LOADED with playmakers) was a HOF LT (hey, why not?), yet nearly every year, the Browns offense sucked and the Joe Thomas anchored O-line was a leader in sacks allowed.  And Teller is certainly not even Joe Thomas level lineman.

 

 

Edited November 7, 2018 by Mr. WEO

[John from Riverside]

1 minute ago, Mr. WEO said:

 

Quality O-line starter?  Hmmm, we heard his entire career that Joe Thomas (drafted instead of Adrian Peterson in a draft LOADED with playmakers) was a HOF LT (hey, why not?), yet nearly every year, the Browns offense sucked and the Joe Thomas anchored O-line was a leader in sacks allowed.  And Teller is certainly not even Joe Thomas level lineman.

 

 

Its obviously going to take more then 1 offensive linemen to turn around the offense...that is not what I was trying to say.   He could however be a very important part of an offensive line should he turn out to be good......

 

We are talking about 5th round picks here....the success rate of anyone drafted in those rounds is probably predicated to going to the right situation and having high upsides...if they were more then that they would not be drafted in the 5th round they would be taken higher.

 

 

Wyatt Teller if he turned out to be a starter level OL for us would be a very good pick in the 5th round.

[Mr. WEO]

7 minutes ago, John from Riverside said:

Its obviously going to take more then 1 offensive linemen to turn around the offense...that is not what I was trying to say.   He could however be a very important part of an offensive line should he turn out to be good......

 

We are talking about 5th round picks here....the success rate of anyone drafted in those rounds is probably predicated to going to the right situation and having high upsides...if they were more then that they would not be drafted in the 5th round they would be taken higher.

 

 

Wyatt Teller if he turned out to be a starter level OL for us would be a very good pick in the 5th round.

 

 

In the 5th you should be looking for a few steals at impact positions (WR was a desperate need), not a backup OG.  They were right there.  

 

But if you're not even looking....

[MrEpsYtown]

A lot of really good linemen come from the middle rounds. There are a large number of high draft pick busts on the o-line. 

 

Rams o-line are are having a great season. They feature 3 second round picks, a 6 and a 7. 

 

The same goes for a lot of the best lines in the NFL. 

 

Vlad was a second round pick and he sucks. John Miller also sucks and was drafted in the third. When it comes to o-linemen, draft status matters less than many other positions. 

 

[Spiderweb]

Bills have two weeks to get Teller ready for a start against the Jets. Move Ducasse to RG and the evaluate again.

[BullBuchanan]

4 hours ago, Mr. WEO said:

 

Quality O-line starter?  Hmmm, we heard his entire career that Joe Thomas (drafted instead of Adrian Peterson in a draft LOADED with playmakers) was a HOF LT (hey, why not?), yet nearly every year, the Browns offense sucked and the Joe Thomas anchored O-line was a leader in sacks allowed.  And Teller is certainly not even Joe Thomas level lineman.

 

 

 

Are you suggesting Joe Thomas is not a HOF LT?

[Mr. WEO]

5 hours ago, BullBuchanan said:

 

Are you suggesting Joe Thomas is not a HOF LT?

 

Oh he's that, whatever that is.  The point is that it had no impact on the fortunes of his franchise.  They wee no better with a HOF LT.   I'm guessing they would have better with the best RB drafted in the past 20 years.

[26CornerBlitz]

 

[26CornerBlitz]

 

[3rdand12]

8 hours ago, 26CornerBlitz said:

 

cool with me. time to get it rolling Wyatt. let him get the nod that he is next in line and has to win it though

 a young line coming up with Allen is not a bad thing generally speaking.

i know i am in the minority, but i have not given up on John Miller. perhaps he will become back up to some FA acquisition. But i would not send him packing yet.
lets see what they do with JMills position off season as well first.
 

[BullBuchanan]

12 hours ago, Mr. WEO said:

 

Oh he's that, whatever that is.  The point is that it had no impact on the fortunes of his franchise.  They wee no better with a HOF LT.   I'm guessing they would have better with the best RB drafted in the past 20 years.

Well i agree on that. I've long believed premier left tackles were ridiculously overrated. What's more is that you line is only as good as it's worst player. It gives you nothing to have the best tackle and center to play the game if your guards are Vlad ducasse and John Miller, so you have to have 5 good ones if you want your line to make up for deficiency elsewhere. It's like when people talk about having a great D. It's pointless to try to win with defense unless you have a top 5 all-time elite defense (seahawks, broncos, Bucs, Ravens, 85 bears etc). It's much more efficient to load your offense with skill talent and create a gameplan that exploits weaknesses of the D that you play.

 

If the Bills want to take O-line at the top of the draft, I'd rather they trade down a couple times and get 3-4 of them in the second round, than 1 at the top.

 

[26CornerBlitz]

 

[thebandit27]

Like I said, Teller was crushing fools in the preseason, but he's going to need a full offseason in an NFL strength program to be able to handle every down action--in that respect, he's a lot like John Miller, though I think Teller is a better athlete.

 

Where he's got a shot to succeed over and above Miller is if he can learn to improve his hand placement. He does a nice job re-directing his feet, and if he can get his hands to operate in concert he'll be a solid guard.

[Mr. WEO]

11 hours ago, BullBuchanan said:

Well i agree on that. I've long believed premier left tackles were ridiculously overrated. What's more is that you line is only as good as it's worst player. It gives you nothing to have the best tackle and center to play the game if your guards are Vlad ducasse and John Miller, so you have to have 5 good ones if you want your line to make up for deficiency elsewhere. It's like when people talk about having a great D. It's pointless to try to win with defense unless you have a top 5 all-time elite defense (seahawks, broncos, Bucs, Ravens, 85 bears etc). It's much more efficient to load your offense with skill talent and create a gameplan that exploits weaknesses of the D that you play.

 

If the Bills want to take O-line at the top of the draft, I'd rather they trade down a couple times and get 3-4 of them in the second round, than 1 at the top.

 

 

 

I agree with all of this. 

 

The only good LTs the Bills have drafted were a TE and a 2nd round guy who might have been a G.

 

When you are all set at skill positions, then you can blow a 1st round pick on an LT.  Otherwise, it never pays off because it's impossible to have a noticeable payoff.

[aristocrat]

27 minutes ago, thebandit27 said:

Like I said, Teller was crushing fools in the preseason, but he's going to need a full offseason in an NFL strength program to be able to handle every down action--in that respect, he's a lot like John Miller, though I think Teller is a better athlete.

 

Where he's got a shot to succeed over and above Miller is if he can learn to improve his hand placement. He does a nice job re-directing his feet, and if he can get his hands to operate in concert he'll be a solid guard.

 

he's supposedly an animal in the weightroom.  

[Big Gun]

30 minutes ago, aristocrat said:

 

he's supposedly an animal in the weightroom.  

Yeah, heard that also, found this from SI 2017, between Jr and Sr years. He's strong alright but definitely agree, he should get in the weight room and get stronger. 

 

33. Wyatt Teller, OG, Virginia Tech

 

 

MICHAEL SHROYER/GETTY IMAGES

A converted DE, the 6’5”, 308-pound Teller has started 30 games for the Hokies. In 2016, he was Virginia Tech’s starting left guard and won honorable mention All-ACC honors from the league’s coaches. This off-season he earned another prestigious distinction winning the Hokies’ “Hard Hat Champion,” awarded to the standout in the off-season conditioning program, after he power cleaned 400 pounds, squatted 600 and bench pressed 460.

Edited November 8, 2018 by pop gun

[John from Riverside]

1 hour ago, pop gun said:

Yeah, heard that also, found this from SI 2017, between Jr and Sr years. He's strong alright but definitely agree, he should get in the weight room and get stronger. 

 

33. Wyatt Teller, OG, Virginia Tech

 

 

MICHAEL SHROYER/GETTY IMAGES

A converted DE, the 6’5”, 308-pound Teller has started 30 games for the Hokies. In 2016, he was Virginia Tech’s starting left guard and won honorable mention All-ACC honors from the league’s coaches. This off-season he earned another prestigious distinction winning the Hokies’ “Hard Hat Champion,” awarded to the standout in the off-season conditioning program, after he power cleaned 400 pounds, squatted 600 and bench pressed 460.

He absolutely is strong enough...that is not an issue for him.....

 

He tends to hold and be overagressvie

[26CornerBlitz]

 

 

[C.Biscuit97]

I apologize because I’ve probably been too negative towards Teller.  I just struggle to get excited about a G because the rest of the offense is so terrible.  In general, G should be one of the easiest spots to plug guys in because they are surrounded by a C and T.  If you have a good C and Ts, it’s not really that hard to plug a G into.

[Stank_Nasty]

3 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said:

I apologize because I’ve probably been too negative towards Teller.  I just struggle to get excited about a G because the rest of the offense is so terrible.  In general, G should be one of the easiest spots to plug guys in because they are surrounded by a C and T.  If you have a good C and Ts, it’s not really that hard to plug a G into.

G has been a huge weakness. it looks like they potentially filled half that need with a draft pick. its a positive thing. i'll always be excited if a hole on the team can be filled admirably by a later round pick.  I don't get the need to p**s in everyones cheerios.

[John from Riverside]

42 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said:

I apologize because I’ve probably been too negative towards Teller.  I just struggle to get excited about a G because the rest of the offense is so terrible.  In general, G should be one of the easiest spots to plug guys in because they are surrounded by a C and T.  If you have a good C and Ts, it’s not really that hard to plug a G into.

Its fine....the OL has not been good and its frustrating

 

Baby steps

 

If Wyatt Teller can man that LG spot....they can slide Decausse back over to RG and Dawkins stays at LT

 

Decausse is not all pro or anything but played solid at RG last year after a bumpy start.......its amazing how just one improvement can cascade over the OL