MAJBobby Posted October 22, 2018 Share Posted October 22, 2018 3 minutes ago, TheBeaneBandit said: No but if say maybe they sign a couple recievers and olinemen in free agency, maybe a new TE too and then draft a reciever and a young RB with some of the "other" draft picks they'd be headed in the right direction. They scored 5 points in a Modern Football game against a 1-5 team. Which also included a 7 minute FG drive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBeaneBandit Posted October 22, 2018 Author Share Posted October 22, 2018 3 minutes ago, Mark80 said: If this team takes a defensive player with the #1 or #2 overall pick in the draft, well, then it is time to bring out the pitch forks. The ONLY sensible options are offense or trading down. Oliver and Bosa are not a luxury we can afford with the current state of affairs of the roster, unfortunately. I don't understand why people think by taking a elite defensive lineman first that the Bills couldn't use other resources like free agency and the other 9 draft picks towards the offense. If the Bills are picking like 5th and there isn't a good tradedown offer and the best prospect by far is a defensive player you gotta go with the talent. There will be more picks and hopefully some serious money was already used on offense in free agency. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark80 Posted October 22, 2018 Share Posted October 22, 2018 (edited) 12 minutes ago, TheBeaneBandit said: I don't understand why people think by taking a elite defensive lineman first that the Bills couldn't use other resources like free agency and the other 9 draft picks towards the offense. If the Bills are picking like 5th and there isn't a good tradedown offer and the best prospect by far is a defensive player you gotta go with the talent. There will be more picks and hopefully some serious money was already used on offense in free agency. Because the impact of the defensive player over the current state player is minimized as compared to the impact of offensive players. Look at it this way. If you have a WR that you rate a 60 on a 1-100 scale and you can add a WR you have rated as a 90, that's a 30 point jump. If you already have defensive linemen that you rate 85 and you are drafting a guy that you rate a 98, that's only a 13 point jump. You get the most "bang for the buck" by upgrading your worst positions typically. When you have so many roster positions that are in rough shape, you can't afford to take that elite player who only gives you a little bump over what you have. That is a luxury reserved for teams that already have a decent roster IMO. Edited October 22, 2018 by Mark80 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBeaneBandit Posted October 22, 2018 Author Share Posted October 22, 2018 7 minutes ago, Mark80 said: Because the impact of the defensive player over the current state player is minimized as compared to the impact of offensive players. Look at it this way. If you have a WR that you rate a 60 on a 1-100 scale and you can add a WR you have rated as a 90, that's a 30 point jump. If you already have defensive linemen that you rate 85 and you are drafting a guy that you rate a 98, that's only a 13 point jump. You get the most "bang for the buck" by upgrading your worst positions typically. When you have so many roster positions that are in rough shape, you can't afford to take that elite player who only gives you a little bump over what you have. That is a luxury reserved for teams that already have a decent roster IMO. I hear you. I don't think any WR are top 10 material this draft but in your scenario i'd love a pick of Jonah Williams ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Call_Of_Ktulu Posted October 22, 2018 Share Posted October 22, 2018 11 hours ago, 26CornerBlitz said: Defensive Tackles win championships! Don't tell Aaron Donald that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted October 22, 2018 Share Posted October 22, 2018 Just now, Call_Of_Ktulu said: Don't tell Aaron Donald that. Let me know when he has a ring and besides the engine that drives that team is the offense led by Goff and Gurley. Try again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mrbojanglezs Posted October 22, 2018 Share Posted October 22, 2018 We need more picks in the first 2 rounds trade down. This teams needs a lot of players. One top of the draft guy will not help Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Real McClappy Posted October 22, 2018 Share Posted October 22, 2018 All depends on how or what they do in free agency. If we pick up 2 Stud OL and a true number 1 WR I'd be somewhat ok with BPA in the 1st. The upcoming draft is a heavy one for D talent. There are a few studs that will go early at WR though we should be considering if not addressed in FA. Just way to early to tell. Right now with current state of affairs though the draft has to be offense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davspo Posted October 22, 2018 Share Posted October 22, 2018 12 hours ago, TheBeaneBandit said: While this team has many problems todays game was a great example of the need for an elite interior rusher. I know many here are on the trade down train, and i hear yas, but I'm on record for not passing up an elite talent if available, which we currently have none of. Bottom line I don't pass on Oliver or Bosa if available. Snag a couple recievers and oline in free agency and keep drafting bpa. Of course i believe we need quite a bit of coaching changes as well but i don't feel like going there right now lol So exactly how many more years are we going to completely neglect the offense? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt_In_NH Posted October 22, 2018 Share Posted October 22, 2018 11 hours ago, Bangarang said: This team needs talent wherever they can get it. It would be a mistake to pass on a more talented player simply because you’ve convinced yourself to take a specific position. I agree, if one player is clearly way better you have to go that route. Virgil is also not wrong though but I would argue they can make huge strides on offense both in the draft and in FA with all the money available. Question though, is it ever ok to draft a first round qb two years in a row? I get Allen needs time but if he does not work out where are we? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBeaneBandit Posted October 22, 2018 Author Share Posted October 22, 2018 2 minutes ago, davspo said: So exactly how many more years are we going to completely neglect the offense? Free agency and 9 other draft picks dog Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Allen Posted October 22, 2018 Share Posted October 22, 2018 12 hours ago, TheBeaneBandit said: While this team has many problems todays game was a great example of the need for an elite interior rusher. I know many here are on the trade down train, and i hear yas, but I'm on record for not passing up an elite talent if available, which we currently have none of. Bottom line I don't pass on Oliver or Bosa if available. Snag a couple recievers and oline in free agency and keep drafting bpa. Of course i believe we need quite a bit of coaching changes as well but i don't feel like going there right now lol I agree - as much as we need to fill other spots, you don't pass up an elite player at an impact position. Bosa or Oliver could give the Bills an elite talent at all three levels on defense and set it up for years. Keep the D elite while you build the O. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davspo Posted October 22, 2018 Share Posted October 22, 2018 1 minute ago, TheBeaneBandit said: Free agency and 9 other draft picks dog If they do that, I would be fine with it. I suspect they won't. This staff is in way over their heads on the offensive side of the ball. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TFBillsfan Posted October 22, 2018 Share Posted October 22, 2018 Trade down and acquire more picks. Get your starting OT in the draft. Sign a FA OG. Draft WR and TE with next two picks. Sign two FA Wr’s. Add RB, OLB, CB with other picks. Fill in with FA where needed. Bills have Hughes, Lawson, Murphy, Harrison and Phillips plus Star. More talent there than anywhere else on the roster. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBeaneBandit Posted October 22, 2018 Author Share Posted October 22, 2018 1 minute ago, davspo said: If they do that, I would be fine with it. I suspect they won't. This staff is in way over their heads on the offensive side of the ball. Probably ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davspo Posted October 22, 2018 Share Posted October 22, 2018 1 minute ago, TheBeaneBandit said: Probably ? What is the point of having an elite defense if you can't score more than 3 points? They need receivers, offensive lineman, and a damn veteran quarterback. If Carr is available for trade, for a second round pick, as reported, they are foolish not to get it done immediately!!!!! This team has not had a quarterback since Jim Kelly. They have done almost nothing about it until this year and it's pretty clear that the kid needs a lot of learning-perhaps several years. Unless or until they invest significant assets in the offense, things will never change- ever! Bosa or Oliver are luxuries they cannot afford. Sadly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coach Tuesday Posted October 22, 2018 Share Posted October 22, 2018 The Rams spent first round picks on Gurley and Goff. That’s it. Most of the rest of their high picks have focused on defense, FYI. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsredneck1 Posted October 22, 2018 Share Posted October 22, 2018 8 minutes ago, davspo said: What is the point of having an elite defense if you can't score more than 3 points? They need receivers, offensive lineman, and a damn veteran quarterback. If Carr is available for trade, for a second round pick, as reported, they are foolish not to get it done immediately!!!!! This team has not had a quarterback since Jim Kelly. They have done almost nothing about it until this year and it's pretty clear that the kid needs a lot of learning-perhaps several years. Unless or until they invest significant assets in the offense, things will never change- ever! Bosa or Oliver are luxuries they cannot afford. Sadly. this should be done today. send them kb... a 2nd next year(which will probably be almost a late 1st)...and a 2nd in 2020 for carr and cooper. whatever it takes. screw all this draft talk or free agent talk. we need to take action right now! 9 days left! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted October 22, 2018 Share Posted October 22, 2018 41 minutes ago, Dave Allen said: I agree - as much as we need to fill other spots, you don't pass up an elite player at an impact position. Bosa or Oliver could give the Bills an elite talent at all three levels on defense and set it up for years. Keep the D elite while you build the O. I agree too. The draft is not for filling holes. If that is how you use it "oh my offensive line stinks I have to take an offensive tackle" you will never build a sustainable, consistent winner. I haven't got that much into the draft yet but Bosa and Oliver both look like proper blue chip elite prospects to me. You don't pass on that to fill needs at OL and WR. If there is a blue chip elite prospect at one of those spots you take him instead but teams that win championships have at least 3 or 4 elite talents. If one is sitting there for you then you pick them. If you are in 4-6 range and there is nobody of the elite looking type there then sure try and trade back and get more picks. But picks are a means to getting elite talent. That is what they are there for. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mannc Posted October 22, 2018 Share Posted October 22, 2018 13 hours ago, TheBeaneBandit said: While this team has many problems todays game was a great example of the need for an elite interior rusher. I know many here are on the trade down train, and i hear yas, but I'm on record for not passing up an elite talent if available, which we currently have none of. Bottom line I don't pass on Oliver or Bosa if available. Snag a couple recievers and oline in free agency and keep drafting bpa. Of course i believe we need quite a bit of coaching changes as well but i don't feel like going there right now lol No, of course the Bills should not use their first pick on an interior defensive lineman. The last time they did that—8 yeas ago—they passed on two generational talents at WR, both of whom are still lighting up the league. The real question is, do you have enough confidence in McBeane to allow them to make that pick? So far, they have proven to be utterly incompetent when it comes to putting a modern NFL offense on the field. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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