Canada celebrates legalization day

[stony]

4 hours ago, row_33 said:

 

 

condo and rental apartments structures have the right to forbid smoking ANYTHING on their properties, including your own dwelling

 

so as of today my building has forbidden the smoking of tobacco, pot, anything at all

 

 

 

 

 

 

the only argument by the government is that it will:

 

- get rid of the mafia (yeah right)

 

- lower the deficit by taxation (just like lotteries)

 

- keep kids away from bad elements (they have to be shitting us, right?)

 

no thought at all has been put into this, it will be completely reversed shortly

 

 

What is wrong with this?  The owner has the right to dictate what goes on his/her property.

[millbank]

https://ocs.ca/

This is the website

[Johnny Hammersticks]

1 hour ago, ExiledInIllinois said:

Yeah.  I guess some air is mind altering.  ?

 

 

Also: I hope You are breathing when You are sleeping. ?

 

 

I am not anti-weed.  I am just anti-idiot doing weed.  Which is probably like 98% of the people.

 

I am also anti-malaise, which will surely set in.  

 

Most of the other adults I socialize with who use marijuana are very successful, intelligent people.  Then again, I knew a lot of idiot stoners growing up who ended up being idiot stoners as adults.  

 

I guess if you’re going to be an idiot...you’re going to be an idiot.  Legal pot or no legal pot.  In this case I would say that correlation is not causation.

[Misterbluesky]

1 hour ago, mead107 said:

More tax money 

Not for everybody.

Grins.

[PromoTheRobot]

16 minutes ago, Johnny Hammersticks said:

 

Most of the other adults I socialize with who use marijuana are very successful, intelligent people.  Then again, I knew a lot of idiot stoners growing up who ended up being idiot stoners as adults.  

 

I guess if you’re going to be an idiot...you’re going to be an idiot.  Legal pot or no legal pot.  In this case I would say that correlation is not causation.

There are all kinds of stimulants, some worse than others. But pot is where the line gets drawn. Why can't adults make their own personal choices? 

[ExiledInIllinois]

25 minutes ago, Johnny Hammersticks said:

 

Most of the other adults I socialize with who use marijuana are very successful, intelligent people.  Then again, I knew a lot of idiot stoners growing up who ended up being idiot stoners as adults.  

 

I guess if you’re going to be an idiot...you’re going to be an idiot.  Legal pot or no legal pot.  In this case I would say that correlation is not causation.

It's not so much how some use it... It's the message that it sends to the young ones.

 

That You need chemicals to relax?  Not passing judgement, but you can see why parenting, education has gone downhill into the wasteland that exists.  The soul crushing world and the chemically induced state... Adds to the malaise.  Maybe You aren't at ground zero, maybe You were, maybe You escaped... But it's a factor, especially in places that have poor working class.

 

Trying not to be a buzzkill. I don't agree with prohibition either... But what the world, and especially children need is structure.  High or drunk parents, etc... "Blowing off steam" from the soul crushing world is simply NOT the cop out message the Young ones need to see.  The "little tape recorders" are always in record.

 

I understand the need to relax, I am not a stick in the mud... Yet, the dangers are very real and the results are showing.  At least from what I see.

 

Give it time.  I cringe at being this conservative... But that's the structure Youth should see.

 

Sorry for going deep.  Does Canada even begin to have 1/50 of the inner city problems we do in The US?

 

What usually fuels this?  Dependency, which then causes employment issues or employment issues causing dependency.  They fuel each other.

 

 

5 minutes ago, PromoTheRobot said:

There are all kinds of stimulants, some worse than others. But pot is where the line gets drawn. Why can't adults make their own personal choices? 

Sure they can... They are usually wrong choices.  Why temperance took off so much in the 18th & 19th century... Production also dropped.

Edited October 18, 2018 by ExiledInIllinois

[Johnny Hammersticks]

1 minute ago, PromoTheRobot said:

There are all kinds of stimulants, some worse than others. But pot is where the line gets drawn. Why can't adults make their own personal choices? 

 

Regarding marijuana, I agree.  I don’t know one person who had their life ruined solely because they smoked weed regularly.  I knew plenty of people, however, who are dead now because of alcohol or tobacco.  Makes no sense to me.

[ExiledInIllinois]

Just now, Johnny Hammersticks said:

 

Regarding marijuana, I agree.  I don’t know one person who had their life ruined solely because they smoked weed regularly.  I knew plenty of people, however, who are dead now because of alcohol or tobacco.  Makes no sense to me.

That's so myopic.

[Johnny Hammersticks]

2 minutes ago, ExiledInIllinois said:

That's so myopic.

 

Your face is so myopic ?

[ExiledInIllinois]

16 minutes ago, Johnny Hammersticks said:

 

Your face is so myopic ?

He he... Yes it is.  I am nearsighted in eyesight only.

 

I really don't know what the answer is but unleashing weed on the underprivileged certainly will NOT make them more energetic.  That's My biggest concern.  Maybe we just need sacrificial zones... And enter them, leave them when it suits our needs.

 

Again... My biggest concern is dependency.  Sit outside any gas station in America and watch what moves in and out.  Once again, not judging but just looking @ the empirical evidence of what is taking place.

Edited October 18, 2018 by ExiledInIllinois

[Dante]

12 hours ago, Canadian Bills Fan said:

 

 

Up to 4 plants

There isn't going to be a CCBO? Can't see any Canadian government letting this opportunity go to fleece their citizens.

Edited October 18, 2018 by Dante

[Johnny Hammersticks]

24 minutes ago, ExiledInIllinois said:

He he... Yes it is.  I am nearsighted in eyesight only.

 

I really don't know what the answer is but unleashing weed on the underprivileged certainly will NOT make them more energetic.  That's My biggest concern.  Maybe we just need sacrificial zones... And enter them, leave them when it suits our needs.

 

Again... My biggest concern is dependency.  Sit outside any gas station in America and watch what moves in and out.  Once again, not judging but just looking @ the empirical evidence of what is taking place.

 

I got news for ya, brotha.  Legalizing weed is not “unleashing” anything on the “underprivileged.”  They can already get weed really, really easily.

[Teddy KGB]

29 minutes ago, ExiledInIllinois said:

He he... Yes it is.  I am nearsighted in eyesight only.

 

I really don't know what the answer is but unleashing weed on the underprivileged certainly will NOT make them more energetic.  That's My biggest concern.  Maybe we just need sacrificial zones... And enter them, leave them when it suits our needs.

 

Again... My biggest concern is dependency.  Sit outside any gas station in America and watch what moves in and out.  Once again, not judging but just looking @ the empirical evidence of what is taking place.

 

Exill waxes poetic on the ghetto.   Take 24 

 

??????

 

 

Unleashing weed ?????

 

Its been there for decades ??‍♂️

Edited October 18, 2018 by Teddy KGB

[PromoTheRobot]

38 minutes ago, ExiledInIllinois said:

He he... Yes it is.  I am nearsighted in eyesight only.

 

I really don't know what the answer is but unleashing weed on the underprivileged certainly will NOT make them more energetic.  That's My biggest concern.  Maybe we just need sacrificial zones... And enter them, leave them when it suits our needs.

 

Again... My biggest concern is dependency.  Sit outside any gas station in America and watch what moves in and out.  Once again, not judging but just looking @ the empirical evidence of what is taking place.

 

I'm with JH on this. I know lots of people who use marijuana like some people have a cocktail once in a while. It's not a gateway drug. It's not addictive, physically anyway. Grownups ought to be able to use it as long as they use it safely. Not to excess and not when driving or doing anything important.  With the people you describe, marijuana isn't the problem. If it wasn't pot it would be meth or crack or cough syrup.

 

And besides, it's not like these people will suddenly start smoking weed just because it's legal. It's pretty widely available now. The idea behind legalization is to get the millions spent on pot out of the black market. Studies have shown that in states where it's been legalized, marijuana use barely increased. That's because most people don't decide to take it up just because of legalization. So that argument is a red herring.

Edited October 18, 2018 by PromoTheRobot

[ExiledInIllinois]

47 minutes ago, Johnny Hammersticks said:

 

I got news for ya, brotha.  Legalizing weed is not “unleashing” anything on the “underprivileged.”  They can already get weed really, really easily.

Of course.

44 minutes ago, Teddy KGB said:

 

Exill waxes poetic on the ghetto.   Take 24 

 

??????

 

 

Unleashing weed ?????

 

Its been there for decades ??‍♂️

Of course.

37 minutes ago, PromoTheRobot said:

 

I'm with JH on this. I know lots of people who use marijuana like some people have a cocktail once in a while. It's not a gateway drug. It's not addictive, physically anyway. Grownups ought to be able to use it as long as they use it safely. Not to excess and not when driving or doing anything important.  With the people you describe, marijuana isn't the problem. If it wasn't pot it would be meth or crack or cough syrup.

 

And besides, it's not like these people will suddenly start smoking weed just because it's legal. It's pretty widely available now. The idea behind legalization is to get the millions spent on pot out of the black market. Studies have shown that in states where it's been legalized, marijuana use barely increased. That's because most people don't decide to take it up just because of legalization. So that argument is a red herring.

We shall see.

[millbank]

High school will be higher now 

[Bad Things]

I for one, think it's great that it's been legalized, and hope it all works out well for them.

 

How has it been going, in the states where it's legal?

My old friends back in Colorado haven't mentioned any really negative issues with it, apart from all the people moving into the state. 

 

We're supposed to have a public referendum down here in a year or two. 

I'm really interested to see how our parliament proposes to manage the system. 

[Marv's Neighbor]

Maybe the NHL can stop playing their anthem?  Nobody could ever remember the words before this, no chance now.

[Canadian Bills Fan]

10 hours ago, Dante said:

There isn't going to be a CCBO? Can't see any Canadian government letting this opportunity go to fleece their citizens.

 

 

Ya they are coming in April

[teef]

11 hours ago, Johnny Hammersticks said:

 

Most of the other adults I socialize with who use marijuana are very successful, intelligent people.  Then again, I knew a lot of idiot stoners growing up who ended up being idiot stoners as adults.  

 

I guess if you’re going to be an idiot...you’re going to be an idiot.  Legal pot or no legal pot.  In this case I would say that correlation is not causation.

this is it.  it has zero to do with legalization, and everything to do with the person.  i know a large number of professionals who do it, and unless you smoked with them, you would absolutely never know.  

10 hours ago, PromoTheRobot said:

 

I'm with JH on this. I know lots of people who use marijuana like some people have a cocktail once in a while. It's not a gateway drug. It's not addictive, physically anyway. Grownups ought to be able to use it as long as they use it safely. Not to excess and not when driving or doing anything important.  With the people you describe, marijuana isn't the problem. If it wasn't pot it would be meth or crack or cough syrup.

 

And besides, it's not like these people will suddenly start smoking weed just because it's legal. It's pretty widely available now. The idea behind legalization is to get the millions spent on pot out of the black market. Studies have shown that in states where it's been legalized, marijuana use barely increased. That's because most people don't decide to take it up just because of legalization. So that argument is a red herring.

agree with all of this, especially the bolded.  you don't exactly have to be a super criminal to find pot.

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

one way to reduce overcrowding in jails   -  legalize MJ  and set those people arrested for holding an ounce free. 

[JMF2006]

18 hours ago, teef said:

i was wondering how that would work in the states.  say new york legalizes it...can you buy from a store in california and have it shipped, or does it violate federal law to do so?

 

That might be illegal in the USA.

 

I think the only legal state is Colorado.

53 minutes ago, ShadyBillsFan said:

one way to reduce overcrowding in jails   -  legalize MJ  and set those people arrested for holding an ounce free. 

 

Wow that was never a jail term offence up here only possession for trafficking say one ounce in 4 different baggies.

 

Even then it was more like a fine  but depending on your previous record.

[PromoTheRobot]

18 minutes ago, JMF2006 said:

 

That might be illegal in the USA.

 

I think the only legal state is Colorado.

 

Wow that was never a jail term offence up here only possession for trafficking say one ounce in 4 different baggies.

 

Even then it was more like a fine  but depending on your previous record.

 

Nope. It's recreationally legal in:

Colorado

Washington

Oregon

California

Nevada

Alaska

Massachusetts

Maine

Vermont

District of Columbia

 

18 additional states allow medical use.

Edited October 18, 2018 by PromoTheRobot

[RochesterRob]

12 hours ago, PromoTheRobot said:

 

I'm with JH on this. I know lots of people who use marijuana like some people have a cocktail once in a while. It's not a gateway drug. It's not addictive, physically anyway. Grownups ought to be able to use it as long as they use it safely. Not to excess and not when driving or doing anything important.  With the people you describe, marijuana isn't the problem. If it wasn't pot it would be meth or crack or cough syrup.

 

And besides, it's not like these people will suddenly start smoking weed just because it's legal. It's pretty widely available now. The idea behind legalization is to get the millions spent on pot out of the black market. Studies have shown that in states where it's been legalized, marijuana use barely increased. That's because most people don't decide to take it up just because of legalization. So that argument is a red herring.

  Get millions out of the black market?  Too much easy money for these guys to go legit.  They will grudgingly undercut the legit sellers on price.  Since a number of us live in New York State when the day comes for pot don't be surprised if it does not carry similar restrictions as liquor or tobacco.  Agree that it is very available currently.

Edited October 18, 2018 by RochesterRob

[Pete]

20 hours ago, row_33 said:

 

 

condo and rental apartments structures have the right to forbid smoking ANYTHING on their properties, including your own dwelling

 

so as of today my building has forbidden the smoking of tobacco, pot, anything at all

 

 

 

 

 

 

the only argument by the government is that it will:

 

- get rid of the mafia (yeah right)

 

- lower the deficit by taxation (just like lotteries)

 

- keep kids away from bad elements (they have to be shitting us, right?)

 

no thought at all has been put into this, it will be completely reversed shortly

 

 

You should take a look at the benefits of drug legalization in Uruguay, Portugal, and Colorado 

[The Poojer]

I've done the same thing, ridding myself of toxic relationships has made my life so much easier....I was regularly dealing with people that really were providing no value to my life and I made a conscious decision to change my habits.  I am in no way saying I am better than anyone else, but what i was saying is i wanted my life to be better than it was with those external factors contributing or detracting from it...it's kind of refreshing

 

19 hours ago, teef said:

i've really shrank the pool i regularly interact with because of this and time.  some relationships just aren't worth the effort, and i no longer feel i have to please everyone, (except at work).  i do agree with the bad luck comment.  you just have to be lucky enough to not be where disaster strikes now a days.

[ExiledInIllinois]

12 minutes ago, RochesterRob said:

  Get millions out of the black market?  Too much easy money for these guys to go legit.  They will grudgingly undercut the legit sellers on price.  Since a number of us live in New York State when the day comes for pot don't be surprised if it does not carry similar restrictions as liquor or tobacco.  Agree that it is very available currently.

Yep!  They will have to regulate the hell out of it!

 

Then people will still be crying.  "Ooooo Big Gov'ts got its meathooks in My Chronic!"

Edited October 18, 2018 by ExiledInIllinois

[Pete]

Unleashing weed ?

The black market is the only free market.  What we have is cronie capitalism

[ExiledInIllinois]

1 minute ago, Pete said:

Unleashing weed ?

I was implying: unleashing legal weed.

 

Sorry for the confusion.

[RochesterRob]

12 hours ago, ExiledInIllinois said:

Of course.

Of course.

We shall see.

  I think that since pot is not physically addictive consumption habits are pretty well set by early adulthood.  So I see very few going off the rails that are in their 40's, 50's, or older.  The problem I do see is with the very young where their behavior habits are forming.  They are very vulnerable if society sends a signal such as "use as much as you want."

5 minutes ago, Pete said:

You should take a look at the benefits of drug legalization in Uruguay, Portugal, and Colorado 

  You lost me at Uruguay and Portugal.

[ExiledInIllinois]

23 minutes ago, RochesterRob said:

  I think that since pot is not physically addictive consumption habits are pretty well set by early adulthood.  So I see very few going off the rails that are in their 40's, 50's, or older.  The problem I do see is with the very young where their behavior habits are forming.  They are very vulnerable if society sends a signal such as "use as much as you want."

Exactamundo!

 

I mean w/alcohol they advise the brain is not fully developed until 26. I know laugh as You may, but same habits are instilled when drinking below that age.  Look how well booze turned out.

 

Once again... It's the selfish generation, Boomers and their echo mouthpieces Millennials that see absolutely no harm.

 

Be very careful what We wish for.  We live in the land of unintended consequences!

 

What could possibly go wrong!

 

PS:  Notice who controls the voting block now? They got their moment in the sun, with the control... The Counter Culture wanted 50 years ago.

Edited October 18, 2018 by ExiledInIllinois

[PromoTheRobot]

39 minutes ago, RochesterRob said:

  Get millions out of the black market?  Too much easy money for these guys to go legit.  They will grudgingly undercut the legit sellers on price.  Since a number of us live in New York State when the day comes for pot don't be surprised if it does not carry similar restrictions as liquor or tobacco.  Agree that it is very available currently.

 

The only comparison I can make is to alcohol prohibition. What happened to bootleggers after you could buy booze legally?

[Pete]

28 minutes ago, RochesterRob said:

 

  You lost me at Uruguay and Portugal.

https://www.theguardian.com/news/2017/dec/05/portugals-radical-drugs-policy-is-working-why-hasnt-the-world-copied-it

[ExiledInIllinois]

Just now, PromoTheRobot said:

 

The only comparison I can make is to alcohol prohibition. What happened to bootleggers after you could buy booze legally?

Yeah... But the heavy handed reefer prohibition was a thing of the past, since the 1960s.

 

There was slooooow decriminalization.

 

No "Untouchables"... The gears are slowly moving.

Just now, Pete said:

https://www.theguardian.com/news/2017/dec/05/portugals-radical-drugs-policy-is-working-why-hasnt-the-world-copied-it

Because Portugal is small.

 

Sure... I want to live in say Denmark too!  I would gladly pay 50% tax rate.

 

It's the difference between having an only child vs. 20 children.

 

That's why nobody copied it!

[PromoTheRobot]

9 minutes ago, ExiledInIllinois said:

Exactamundo!

 

I mean w/alcohol they advise the brain is not fully developed until 26. I know laugh as You may, but same habits are instilled when drinking below that age.  Look how well booze turned out.

 

Once again... It's the selfish generation, Boomers and their echo mouthpieces Millennials that see absolutely no harm.

 

Be very careful what We wish for.  We live in the land of unintended consequences!

 

What could possibly go wrong!

 

Your argument is that pot is the red line. The line was already crossed with every other substance. And I include guns. If people can tolerate gun deaths arguing about the evils of anything is specious.

Edited October 18, 2018 by PromoTheRobot

[ExiledInIllinois]

 

And they all come together under a common identity. Forget about America.  LoL...

Edited October 18, 2018 by ExiledInIllinois

[RochesterRob]

4 minutes ago, PromoTheRobot said:

 

The only comparison I can make is to alcohol prohibition. What happened to bootleggers after you could buy booze legally?

  Apples and oranges.  Most bootleggers were tied to the Mafia so once booze became legal they had the numbers racket, prostitution, hijacking, drugs, etc.  For those not tied to the mob in the 1930's once the Depression eased up you could still make a good living as a tradesman.

[ExiledInIllinois]

2 minutes ago, PromoTheRobot said:

 

Your argument is that pot is the red line. The line was already crossed with every other substance. And I include guns. If people can tolerate gun deaths arguing about the evils if weed is specious.

It's a lot more grayer than that and nuanced.

1 minute ago, RochesterRob said:

  Apples and oranges.  Most bootleggers were tied to the Mafia so once booze became legal they had the numbers racket, prostitution, hijacking, drugs, etc.  For those not tied to the mob in the 1930's once the Depression eased up you could still make a good living as a tradesman.

And He's forgetting the impact booze was on the masses during the industrial revolution.  Promo needs to go way back, even read about Prohibition in Canada during the 19th Century.

 

People become physically dependant on booze.  All are different.  Some will go through DTs, others handle it different.

[RochesterRob]

4 minutes ago, PromoTheRobot said:

 

Your argument is that pot is the red line. The line was already crossed with every other substance. And I include guns. If people can tolerate gun deaths arguing about the evils of anything is specious.

  Gun deaths are tragic but do not occur at rate remotely close to that of substance abuse.

[ExiledInIllinois]

3 minutes ago, RochesterRob said:

  Gun deaths are tragic but do not occur at rate remotely close to that of substance abuse.

And... How many gun deaths are directly caused by substance abuse!  There is a direct link.