Josh Allen looks on par with this year’s other rookie QBs

[BB@Shooter]

On 10/16/2018 at 7:10 AM, Scorp83 said:

I disagree with this whole post... he's shell shocked, escapes the pocket way too early,  he has 166 passing the last 2 weeks combined, he doesn't throw to open WR's... granted the WR's are crap... but Zay is open almost all the time... 

 

He's so Raw & is behind the QB's in the 1st Rd... except Jackson & that's only because he has Flacco in front of him. PPF has Allen rated as the worst QB under pressure. 

 

This is why I didnt want to draft him, because he's a project. McBeane is a joke right now, because they didn't have a plan after drafting the QB that needs the most work. 

 

They fell in love with Allen personality, more so then his readiness to play in this league. 

 

To sit here & try to compare Allen to the rest of this QB class is laughable in itself. 

 

He's not ready for this league, & I think McBeane just figured that out... which is why he's "Week to Week" & Allen wants a second opinion...

 

Ughhh take the hint kid, your bench... i feel like McBeane just didn't want to hurt the kid feelings. 

Hurt his feeing?  Lol. And you know Zay is open how? We're you at the games? Because on the TV they mostly don't show the receivers. And hardly show replays. So you can tell how? I think you make up crap.

Edited October 20, 2018 by BB@Shooter

[26CornerBlitz]

18 minutes ago, BB@Shooter said:

Especially the trend of you knocking Allen.

Keep jumping on and off the bandwagon. Watch it or you might wear out your keyboard. Typical fan who follows the media and can't think for themselves.

 

I have eyes and actually watch him play. You can play cheerleader.  

[Bangarang]

16 minutes ago, BB@Shooter said:

Hurt his feeing?  Lol. And you know Zay is open how? We're you at the games? Because on the TV they mostly don't show the receivers. And hardly show replays. So you can tell how? I think you make up crap.

 

All-22 shows every player on the field. You might want to get better informed before spewing nonsense.

[OldTimeAFLGuy]

...I would say that the in-depth analyses and critical assessments of this rook QB class FIVE games in merit slam dunk validity.......what the hell do I need "Comedy Central" for?....the "amusement" here is range topping.....any of my fellow "old codgers" remember Rowan & Martin's "Laugh In"?.......this is deja vu++......where else could life be better?......

[BB@Shooter]

On 10/16/2018 at 7:41 AM, ShadyBillsFan said:

wait so our guys don't drop the most balls?   

 

who'd have thunk it?    

 

I wonder what the precentage of dropped passes are? Seeing as Allen throws less passes in a game, that could tell the real story. Anyone can make numbers work for them.

10 minutes ago, Bangarang said:

 

All-22 shows every player on the field. You might want to get better informed before spewing nonsense.

Spewing nonsense compared to your hate filled diatribe week after week? Give me a break.

27 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said:

 

I have eyes and actually watch him play. You can play cheerleader.  

I guess it all depends what part of the bandwagon you are riding that particular week. You don't sound like much of a Bills fan to me. Fans actually root for the team on the field. That includes players.

On 10/16/2018 at 7:42 AM, thebandit27 said:

I mean, read this review of Goff's rookie season:

https://www.turfshowtimes.com/2017/1/10/14212140/la-rams-qb-jared-goff-rookie-season-recap-scouting-report

 

It reads like a word-for-word write up of Allen through 6 games.

Quit it, you are making sense.

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

5 minutes ago, BB@Shooter said:

I wonder what the precentage of dropped passes are? Seeing as Allen throws less passes in a game, that could tell the real story. Anyone can make numbers work for them.

Spewing nonsense compared to your hate filled diatribe week after week? Give me a break.

1) google it.  

 

2) the all 22 shows the whole field. 

 

3) hate filled?   Have you read any Peterman threads?

 

4) If you don’t like a post, there is no reason to post insults. 

[26CornerBlitz]

6 minutes ago, BB@Shooter said:

I wonder what the precentage of dropped passes are? Seeing as Allen throws less passes in a game, that could tell the real story. Anyone can make numbers work for them.

Spewing nonsense compared to your hate filled diatribe week after week? Give me a break.

I guess it all depends what part of the bandwagon you are riding that particular week. You don't sound like much of a Bills fan to me. Fans actually root for the team on the field. That includes players.

Quit it, you are making sense.

 

Rooting for the team and players is not equal to thinking they're all great or even good.  I'm not concerned about what kind of fan you think I am.

[Luka]

What do you think the success rate is of QBs from college to pros? How many drafted/brought into camp compared to how many actually succeed? And then how many succeed at a high level? Some of the greatest QBs weren't even drafted. It's a crap shoot. If you're going to have a QB that fails, at least put your money on the guy that could be truly great if it all comes together for him. Allen is that guy. They all have trouble processing defenses, making reads, keeping their eyes up under pressure, etc. right now. It's called being a rookie QB in the NFL.

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

7 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said:

 

Rooting for the team and players is not equal to thinking they're all great or even good.  I'm not concerned about what kind of fan you think I am.

Well ......  it sure looks like it does because you responded.  

 

[CircleTheWagons99]

On 10/16/2018 at 8:10 AM, The Bills Blog said:

How did I know that 26 was going to be in here trying to take over this post with Allen hate? Seriously, guy, come on.

Well, TT got run out of 2 towns so he has to talk about something. 

[BB@Shooter]

20 minutes ago, Luka said:

What do you think the success rate is of QBs from college to pros? How many drafted/brought into camp compared to how many actually succeed? And then how many succeed at a high level? Some of the greatest QBs weren't even drafted. It's a crap shoot. If you're going to have a QB that fails, at least put your money on the guy that could be truly great if it all comes together for him. Allen is that guy. They all have trouble processing defenses, making reads, keeping their eyes up under pressure, etc. right now. It's called being a rookie QB in the NFL.

Good and accurate post Luka.

28 minutes ago, ShadyBillsFan said:

1) google it.  

 

2) the all 22 shows the whole field. 

 

3) hate filled?   Have you read any Peterman threads?

 

4) If you don’t like a post, there is no reason to post insults. 

I don't see where my post insults any more than his does. I don't get the 22 show. And Peterman has proven to be a practice player, like I said at the beginning of the year.  I don't post negative about NP, as he has enough problems. If you are worried about the Bills percentage,  you can Google it also. I suggested the percentage of drops wasn't being portrayed correctly.  I don't care if anyone looks it up. I am pretty sure it will eviscerate Allen. The media would have pointed it out if they could get more proof against Allen as it gets readers. Not that I actually think they hate him. It is all about readership or viewers.

[BB@Shooter]

25 minutes ago, CircleTheWagons99 said:

Well, TT got run out of 2 towns so he has to talk about something. 

That is exactly what 26 is doing, making it his duty to cut on Allen. Could it be more obvious. The hard part about Allen is his growth will be slowed because the defense can keep the team in games. So as long as the score is close, they will eat up clock and shorten the game. Then try and win it in a close one. Allen will be asked to manage the game, not throw for 300 yards.

[Jpsredemption]

He's nowhere near Mayfield and Darnold despite some rough games has generally been pretty good. 

 

Allen has been atrocious save for the Minnesota game. He is exactly what the scouting reports said. Scattershot with limited pocket awareness. Good athlete, bad quarterback. 

8 minutes ago, BB@Shooter said:

That is exactly what 26 is doing, making it his duty to cut on Allen. Could it be more obvious. The hard part about Allen is his growth will be slowed because the defense can keep the team in games. So as long as the score is close, they will eat up clock and shorten the game. Then try and win it in a close one. Allen will be asked to manage the game, not throw for 300 yards.

Playing Jauron ball will eventually get McDermott terminated. 

[BB@Shooter]

1 hour ago, 26CornerBlitz said:

 

Unknowing? What the heck are you even talking about with this rambling? All I need to do is watch him and the others play.  He started the season behind and he still is.  I wish he hadn't gotten injured so because he needs game experience.  Your long post isn't telling me anything I don't already know with regard to the supporting cast.   I hope he gets back soon. 

So if you know about his supporting cast, why do you overlook it when you evaluate him? Why don't you actually give him credit in your hate?  And if you know football like you claim, why can't you see that they are using him to manage games? Not developing him? And why aren't they trying to bring in offensive help? If he had the same weapons as the other rookies I would bet he develops faster. Yet you never bring any of this up as you just want to hammer on him. To claim different is a huge lie.

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

27 minutes ago, BB@Shooter said:

Good and accurate post Luka.

I don't see where my post insults any more than his does. I don't get the 22 show. And Peterman has proven to be a practice player, like I said at the beginning of the year.  I don't post negative about NP, as he has enough problems. If you are worried about the Bills percentage,  you can Google it also. I suggested the percentage of drops wasn't being portrayed correctly.  I don't care if anyone looks it up. I am pretty sure it will eviscerate Allen. The media would have pointed it out if they could get more proof against Allen as it gets readers. Not that I actually think they hate him. It is all about readership or viewers.

Spewing nonsense compared to your hate filled diatribe week after week? Give me a break.

 

seems insulting from my end. 

 

Bang and I don’t always agree but he’s usually not one to spew crap out there.  

[BB@Shooter]

4 minutes ago, Jpsredemption said:

He's nowhere near Mayfield and Darnold despite some rough games has generally been pretty good. 

 

Allen has been atrocious save for the Minnesota game. He is exactly what the scouting reports said. Scattershot with limited pocket awareness. Good athlete, bad quarterback. 

Playing Jauron ball will eventually get McDermott terminated. 

I don't know what kind of leash management has him on. But I do know that is the only way they will win with the offensive personnel they have. If anything should get him fired is not having a better read on host offensive side of the ball. And I don't think he should be fired, as his defense is put together on a budget and performing well.

1 minute ago, ShadyBillsFan said:

Spewing nonsense compared to your hate filled diatribe week after week? Give me a break.

 

seems insulting from my end. 

 

Bang and I don’t always agree but he’s usually not one to spew crap out there.  

He has been against Allen from day one.

[26CornerBlitz]

10 minutes ago, BB@Shooter said:

So if you know about his supporting cast, why do you overlook it when you evaluate him? Why don't you actually give him credit in your hate?  And if you know football like you claim, why can't you see that they are using him to manage games? Not developing him? And why aren't they trying to bring in offensive help? If he had the same weapons as the other rookies I would bet he develops faster. Yet you never bring any of this up as you just want to hammer on him. To claim different is a huge lie.

 

I don't overlook this at all and the Bills did him no favors by putting him in a less than ideal situation. I have brought this up on multiple occasions in many different threads so you don't know what you're talking about. That doesn't mean there aren't plays to be made that he misses out on due to his inexperience. That is normal and the hope is that he'll improve with more game experience. 

 

Hate has nothing to do with an honest assessment of him as player and it's such a nothing juvenile term.  

Edited October 20, 2018 by 26CornerBlitz

[BB@Shooter]

On 10/16/2018 at 9:27 PM, transplantbillsfan said:

This was going to be about slow growth.

 

We all knew that.

 

This team has already seemed to exceed expectations in a lot of ways nationally and I think if Allen finished that game, we'd be 3-3 and that would have made absolutely anyone happy at this point based on the schedule.

 

My biggest disappointment has been Daboll. I think there's a way to properly develop a QB while still allowing him to throw, primarily quick timing patterns and play action bombs. Other than the Minnesota game, I think Daboll has done a poor job there.

 

But I'm also okay with Josh taking a seat for the next month or so. I think he can learn for a bit from Anderson while on the bench.

 

But yeah, I don't get the folks thinking he was supposed to look like a HOFer right away.

 Good post.

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

1 hour ago, 26CornerBlitz said:

 

I don't overlook this at all and the Bills did him no favors by putting him in a less than ideal situation. I have brought this up on multiple occasions in many different threads so you don't know what you're talking about. That doesn't mean there aren't plays to be made that he misses out on due to his inexperience. That is normal and the hope is that he'll improve with more game experience. 

 

Hate has nothing to do with an honest assessment of him as player and it's such a nothing juvenile term.  

Yes we are alll aware of you posting this in multiple threads. 

 

You use 1 excuse to support Rosen and then chastise Allen for it.  

 

Rosen had a worse QB rating as Nate Peterman.....  We all know how you feel about him.  Yet Nate never had 2 pick 6s in one game much less one half. 

 

Edited October 20, 2018 by ShadyBillsFan

[transplantbillsfan]

1 hour ago, ShadyBillsFan said:

Yes we are alll aware of you posting this in multiple threads. 

 

You use 1 excuse to support Rosen and them chastise Allen for it.  

 

Rosen had a worse QB rating as Nate Peterman.....  We all know how you feel about him.  Yet Nate never had 2 pick 6a in one game much less one half. 

 

 

Do us all a favor and start ignoring 26CB.

 

This massive crusade you have against him is so annoying.

[Big Gun]

On 10/16/2018 at 7:17 AM, 26CornerBlitz said:

 

He is.  Don't think.  Know. 

?

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

17 minutes ago, transplantbillsfan said:

 

Do us all a favor and start ignoring 26CB.

 

This massive crusade you have against him is so annoying.

Do you have anything to say about Allen or did you just want to attack my post?

 

The #’s are very close between all 4. 

 

% comp rating etc.  

 

Also. You can use the ignore function yourself 

 

Edited October 20, 2018 by ShadyBillsFan

[vincec]

On 10/16/2018 at 7:17 AM, 26CornerBlitz said:

 

He is.  Don't think.  Know. 

I don't know. Rosen looked really bad on Thursday. Got his OC fired already.

[26CornerBlitz]

Just now, vincec said:

I don't know. Rosen looked really bad on Thursday. Got his OC fired already.

 

His OC got himself fired for the 3rd time in two years by a 3rd team, but yeah that's Rosen's fault. ?

[vincec]

4 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said:

 

His OC got himself fired for the 3rd time in two years by a 3rd team, but yeah that's Rosen's fault. ?

Sure. Rosen has nothing to do with their offense bombing. ?

 

[26CornerBlitz]

Just now, vincec said:

Sure. Rosen has nothing to do with their offense bombing. ?

 

 

It was mostly the OL, but yes Rosen had a terrible game.

[transplantbillsfan]

4 hours ago, ShadyBillsFan said:

Do you have anything to say about Allen or did you just want to attack my post?

 

The #’s are very close between all 4. 

 

% comp rating etc.  

 

Also. You can use the ignore function yourself 

 

 

I've said a number of things about Allen, actually... including in this thread.

[The Process]

On 10/16/2018 at 7:16 AM, joesixpack said:

 

I don't think he's behind Rosen, for sure.

 

 

 This list is sorted by comp. % as of October 21st. One of many stats I know.....this is one.

[thebandit27]

Darnold had another sensational outing against Minnesota today.

 

17/42, 1 TD, 3 INTs

[HappyDays]

8 minutes ago, thebandit27 said:

Darnold had another sensational outing against Minnesota today.

 

17/42, 1 TD, 3 INTs

 

Plus 3 fumbles, 2 recovered by the Vikings

[Bleedingreennc]

Darnold struggled for sure, but that comes to be expected being a rookie. At least our OC is letting him sling it downfield though. I’m excited about the future of the kid.

[thebandit27]

Just now, Bleedingreennc said:

Darnold struggled for sure, but that comes to be expected being a rookie. At least our OC is letting him sling it downfield though. I’m excited about the future of the kid.

 

Rookies gonna rookie 

[CincyBillsFan]

On 10/16/2018 at 5:12 PM, LABILLBACKER said:

Yes he is. His flaws are obvious. And the numbers don't lie.

Qb Rating 

Darnold.   83.7

Rosen.     75.5

Mayfield  72.8

Allen.       61.8

....Darnold's wr unit are not much different than ours.

 

Number can lie with the best of them.  Consider the rankings of the defenses each of the rookie QB's have gone against.  Allen has faced the toughest D's by far. 

[Bleedingreennc]

Just now, thebandit27 said:

 

Rookies gonna rookie 

Yup. Allen needs a new OC and he will be fine, he has improved even with the scared play calling from the coaching staff.

[BB@Shooter]

3 minutes ago, HappyDays said:

 

Plus 3 fumbles, 2 recovered by the Vikings

And how did Allen play against the Vikings defense? At least we can compare another rookie to Allen going head to head against the same team. Allen took this one easily. Especially when so many are saying Allen is so far behind the other rookies. Laughable.

[Bangarang]

Just now, Bleedingreennc said:

Yup. Allen needs a new OC and he will be fine, he has improved even with the scared play calling from the coaching staff.

 

He needs much more than just an OC unfortunately 

[Bleedingreennc]

1 minute ago, CincyBillsFan said:

 

Number can lie with the best of them.  Consider the rankings of the defenses each of the rookie QB's have gone against.  Allen has faced the toughest D's by far. 

I agree to a degree, play calling also plays a big part. My order would be this of the rookies to this point:

 

Mayfield

Darnold

Allen

Rosen

 

[CincyBillsFan]

7 minutes ago, BB@Shooter said:

And how did Allen play against the Vikings defense? At least we can compare another rookie to Allen going head to head against the same team. Allen took this one easily. Especially when so many are saying Allen is so far behind the other rookies. Laughable.

 

To take your point a step further here's how the 3 QB's compare playing a common opponent within a months time:

 

Allen  15 - 22 - 196 - 1 TD - 0 INT;  notes = Allen had 2 rushing TD's & Bills won game 27 - 6

 

Rosen 21 - 31 - 240 - 0 TD - 1 INT;  notes = Cards lost game 27 - 17

 

Darnold 17 - 42 - 206 - 1 TD - 3 INT;  note = Darnold lost 2 fumbles & Jets lost game 37 - 17

 

Allen & Rosen played at Minnesota while Darnold was at home.  Now to be clear this is a very limited data set BUT it's the only pretty clean comparison we have between the 3 QB's versus a common opponent within a pretty tight time window.

 

My point is that so far there is no cumulative evidence that Rosen & Darnold are out performing Allen.  All you can say is that all 3 have struggled and each has shown flashes of brilliance.  And given that Allen was supposed to be way behind the other 2 you could argue that he's exceeding expectations. 

 

[transplantbillsfan]

[26CornerBlitz]

10-23: Chris Trapasso with Bulldog & Sal (20:28)

 

Good Josh Allen Discussion with Chris Trapasso from CBS Sports and TBN.

 

Even though Bills rookie quarterback Josh Allen is week to week with an elbow injury, there is still plenty to take from Allen's time with the starters before his injury. Chris Trapasso os CBS Sports joined Bulldog and Sal to talk more on the 7th overall pick and looked into how well Allen has played in his 5 starts, as well as looking into the other QBs in the 2018 class and looking toward some of the other elite prospects for the 2019 NFL Draft. 

 

On Josh Allen's first 5 starts in the NFL: 

"I think he was playing like your typical or average rookie quarterback who does have the talent and can see why he was picked in the first round. I think the game, the speed of defenses, whether he was playing good defenses or bad defenses, he wasn't really acclimated to that yet. And there were times where there were some open receivers and open first reads that he wasn't pulling the trigger on. Then there were times in small little flashes that he was doing that." 

 

On the Bills QB situation pressing Josh Allen into action in Week Two of the season: 

"I think that quarterbacks do learn from playing but at the same time, I think because the Bills don't have this brick wall offensive line, I think it was very risky." 

"I think this is pretty obvious, but it seems that the Bills probably should have had Derek Anderson on the roster either to start training camp... or at least after they traded A.J. McCarron."

 

On the fellow 2018 QB class: 

"Baker Mayfield, the last two weeks hasn't played as well as he did when he came off the bench for Tyrod Taylor against the Jets... But he looks like the most ready quarterback of the class."

 

"Sam Darnold, the last couple of weeks, has played a little bit better but I think you kind of see what you saw at USC: he can make some really ridiculous moves too, but he turns the ball over, there are some throws that are late because of his elongated delivery."

 

"Josh Rosen is in a very similar situation to Josh Allen. Not the best offensive line... he's certainly under pressure a lot but there are some of those wild throws, he hasn't been able to get comfotable."

 

On the 2019 WR class: 

"This receiver class, to me, is the most talented since that famous 2014 WR class... and a lot of them are seemingly what the Bills want, or at least what Brandon Beane had in Carolina with Kelvin Benjamin and Devin Funchess. They're bigger receivers that can win in the red zone and win on those contested catch situations."

"There's 3 or 4 guys that I think are not only first rounders, but are good players that can come in right away and be good."