Democratic 2020 Presidential Primary Thread

[njbuff]

Just now, Buffalo_Gal said:

Make one!

And I love Sarah Palin. What a raw deal she got from that ***** John McCain and the "MSM".

 

I’m not politically smart enough to start that thread.

 

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[row_33]

The 1980 race "kinda" between Carter and Ted Kennedy at least had some political gravity

 

I will forever assert Gore and Kerry and Hillary were very suitable candidates, way more so than Carter/Mondale/Dukakis

 

 

1 hour ago, Buffalo_Gal said:

Make one!

And I love Sarah Palin. What a raw deal she got from that ***** John McCain and the "MSM".

 

 

her appeal wasn't carrying into enough categories to be a political winnner, they had no shot in the first place so it didn't matter

 

1 hour ago, SoCal Deek said:

Hey...the republicans ran John McCain and Sarah Palin...so it’s not exclusive to the Dems.

 

McCain and Dole and Romney had zero chance to win

 

they were decent candidates

 

[3rdnlng]

35 minutes ago, row_33 said:

The 1980 race "kinda" between Carter and Ted Kennedy at least had some political gravity

 

I will forever assert Gore and Kerry and Hillary were very suitable candidates, way more so than Carter/Mondale/Dukakis

 

 

 

her appeal wasn't carrying into enough categories to be a political winnner, they had no shot in the first place so it didn't matter

 

 

McCain and Dole and Romney had zero chance to win

 

they were decent candidates

 

Tell us, what did that trio of candidates stand for? What would make them suitable?

[RochesterRob]

3 hours ago, Taro T said:

1984 springs to mind.  Though it would've been close.

  2020 stands all by itself in terms of poor D candidates.  It baffles the mind that people such as Harris and Warren could actually be candidates.  

[row_33]

47 minutes ago, 3rdnlng said:

Tell us, what did that trio of candidates stand for? What would make them suitable?

 

i 100% thought they all would win over the GOP candidate

 

i was quite happy they didn't

 

 

42 minutes ago, RochesterRob said:

  2020 stands all by itself in terms of poor D candidates.  It baffles the mind that people such as Harris and Warren could actually be candidates.  

 

practically impossible to unseat an eligible President with a strong economy

 

so many are going to bow out

 

 

the surprise to me was 1972 for the Dems, I thought Humphrey would have taken it, but with the new rules the Dems put in after 1968 I guess the epically all-time pointless McGovern weaseled it out.  Carter got going on the new rules in 1976 very early and sealed it off before anyone knew what hit them.

 

 

[3rdnlng]

48 minutes ago, row_33 said:

 

i 100% thought they all would win over the GOP candidate

 

 

You said they were suitable. Why?

[row_33]

1 minute ago, 3rdnlng said:

You said they were suitable. Why?

 

they were the better candidates over W and Trump

 

doesn't need more than a one-second intuitive snap decision that is eternal...

 

still can't believe W and Trump beat the 3 of them.

 

 

 

 

 

Presidential is a matter of first introduction that never changes.  The first time I saw Bill Clinton at a press conference, while governor, i thought "geez, he will be dangerous if the Dems put him up front."

 

 

[row_33]

saw a study where the first impression and a further 15 minutes of an interview was no more reliable on a final judgment of a person than the first 2 seconds of the first impression

 

 

Obama looked Presidential from the first second he was nationally brought forward

 

and that's 98% of the game... 

 

[B-Man]

 

RUN ALL THE CANDIDATES! 

 

Report: Former Massachusetts Governor Deval Patrick eyes a 2020 presidential run.

 

 

 

 

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[Nanker]

5 hours ago, njbuff said:

I ask the more politically experienced hands in here...............

 

Has there ever been a worse pool of candidates in the Democratic Party for the presidential nomination?

Well, 1988 was pretty weak:

Michael Dukakis, Jessie Jackson, Al Gore, Paul Simon (not that Paul Simon), Dick Gephardt, and Gary Hart.

 

1972 was a bit better but quite an eclectic mix of:

George McGovern, Hubert Humphrey, George Wallace, Edmund Muskie, and Shirley Chisholm.

 

1992 brought us Bill Clinton, Jerry Brown, Paul Tsongas, Tom Harkin, and Bob Kerrey. 

12 minutes ago, B-Man said:

 

RUN ALL THE CANDIDATES! 

 

Report: Former Massachusetts Governor Deval Patrick eyes a 2020 presidential run.

 

 

 

 

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Eyeing and "Ready to Report for duty," taking a page from John Kerry no doubt.

[Wacka]

My first impression of Bill Clintonn was he was Eddie Haskell. I wasn't wrong.

[row_33]

3 minutes ago, Wacka said:

My first impression of Bill Clintonn was he was Eddie Haskell. I wasn't wrong.

 

 

i recall a second Southern politician the same age of Willy, and thinking there were 2 on the scene at the same time 

 

 

can't recall who the other one was, he must have been Arkansided.

 

[Deranged Rhino]

 

 

 

 

 

She needs to get in front of the IG. 

[row_33]

why is she dressing in the tunic Cornelius wore in the original Planet of the Apes?

 

[RochesterRob]

18 minutes ago, Deranged Rhino said:

 

 

 

 

 

She needs to get in front of the IG. 

  Probably all the one time Clinton Foundation donors longing for a return to pay to play.

[3rdnlng]

1 hour ago, Deranged Rhino said:

 

 

 

 

 

She needs to get in front of the IG. 

I read that she is under enormous pressure to rule out running for President in 2020.  As much as I'd like to see her lose again to Trump, just sit down and shut up Cankles.

[Nanker]

The “pressure” she’s feeling is to declare her candidacy so she gets protected from any scrutiny under the newly-minted “Biden Rule.”  

 

Can’t investigate a Democrat that’s running for office. 

[B-Man]

‘She’s lying’ again: Elizabeth Warren’s had enough of billionaires not wanting to ‘pay 2 cents out of their bazillion dollars’ for her wealth tax

 

 

 

 

 

https://twitchy.com/dougp-3137/2019/11/11/shes-lying-again-elizabeth-warrens-had-enough-of-billionaires-not-wanting-to-pay-2-cents-out-of-their-bazillion-dollars-for-her-wealth-tax/

[reddogblitz]

I can't believe no one has mentioned 2016.

 

Hillary

Bernie

Martin O'Malley

[4merper4mer]

12 hours ago, Deranged Rhino said:

 

 

 

 

 

She needs to get in front of the IG. 

Staying in front of the IG is like staying in front of an oncoming glacier.  

[3rdnlng]

9 hours ago, B-Man said:

‘She’s lying’ again: Elizabeth Warren’s had enough of billionaires not wanting to ‘pay 2 cents out of their bazillion dollars’ for her wealth tax

 

 

 

 

 

https://twitchy.com/dougp-3137/2019/11/11/shes-lying-again-elizabeth-warrens-had-enough-of-billionaires-not-wanting-to-pay-2-cents-out-of-their-bazillion-dollars-for-her-wealth-tax/

It's a net worth tax and it amounts to 6% annually for all net worth over 1 billion dollars. That net worth has already been taxed (presumably) to reduce it to what it is. Typically people worth that kind of money have their assets tied up in non liquid form so to meet Lizzy's requirement one would have to sell an asset. Think of the consequences of that. High worth individuals would have to take a portion of their worth and not invest it, but keep it in a liquid form. Liawatha, scalping the billionaires and burning our economy at the stake.

 

Edited November 13, 2019 by 3rdnlng

[B-Man]

 

YOU KNOW WHO’D BAN FRACKING? A PUTIN PUPPET. THAT’S WHO’D BAN FRACKING.  

 

Elizabeth Warren’s fracking ban pledge shows a ‘total lack of understanding,’ oil guru Yergin says.

 

 

 

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[Gavin in Va Beach]

On 11/8/2019 at 2:21 PM, jrober38 said:

Bloomberg is the Dems best shot.

 

If he can win the nomination, he'll absolutely destroy Trump in a general election. 

 

 

 

[Koko78]

13 hours ago, 4merper4mer said:

Staying in front of the IG is like staying in front of an oncoming glacier.  

 

9 hours ago, 3rdnlng said:

It's a net worth tax and it amounts to 6% annually for all net worth over 1 billion dollars. That net worth has already been taxed (presumably) to reduce it to what it is. Typically people worth that kind of money have their assets tied up in non liquid form so to meet Lizzy's requirement one would have to sell an asset. Think of the consequences of that. High worth individuals would have to take a portion of their worth and not invest it, but keep it in a liquid form. Liawatha, scalping the billionaires and burning our economy at the stake.

 

 

I'm just waiting for the line from Warren that those billionaires aren't sufficiently patriotic because they won't sell assets in order to pay outrageous taxes.

 

Not willingly sacrificing your wealth to advance a communist agenda is unAmerican, dammit!

[3rdnlng]

19 minutes ago, Koko78 said:

 

 

I'm just waiting for the line from Warren that those billionaires aren't sufficiently patriotic because they won't sell assets in order to pay outrageous taxes.

 

Not willingly sacrificing your wealth to advance a communist agenda is unAmerican, dammit!

It's like the dumbass Left who kept calling for Trump to divest himself of all property so that there could not be any conflicts of interest as President. They have no clue what that would involve tax wise and bargaining wise to force those sales.

[Deranged Rhino]

 

 

https://mobile.twitter.com/DonaldJTrumpJr/status/1195033339343900674

[Buffalo_Gal]

One less clown-car participant. How much longer can he continue his campaign?

And wow, I didn't realize it was next week!!  That will be a "great" week for the Ds  - first the "impeachment" hearings debacle quickly followed by a debate to remind people just what their choice will be next year: President Trump or a crazy Democrat.
 

 

 

Julián Castro to miss November debate

The former HUD secretary is falling well short of the polling threshold to make the stage in Atlanta next week. [Nov 20]
 

Former Housing and Urban Development Secretary Julián Castro won't qualify for the next Democratic presidential primary debate, the only candidate still in the race who participated in the October debate to miss out on November's.
 

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[Deranged Rhino]

https://mobile.twitter.com/BreakingNLive/status/1195068758282383365

[Koko78]

4 hours ago, Buffalo_Gal said:

One less clown-car participant. How much longer can he continue his campaign?

And wow, I didn't realize it was next week!!  That will be a "great" week for the Ds  - first the "impeachment" hearings debacle quickly followed by a debate to remind people just what their choice will be next year: President Trump or a crazy Democrat.
 

 

 

Julián Castro to miss November debate

The former HUD secretary is falling well short of the polling threshold to make the stage in Atlanta next week. [Nov 20]
 

Former Housing and Urban Development Secretary Julián Castro won't qualify for the next Democratic presidential primary debate, the only candidate still in the race who participated in the October debate to miss out on November's.
 

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I have a feeling that Trump's streak of winning the Democrat debates will hold.

7 minutes ago, Deranged Rhino said:

https://mobile.twitter.com/BreakingNLive/status/1195068758282383365

 

I so love Best Korean press releases.

 

 

The hyperbole is just hysterical.

[row_33]

So how many Senators are going to have to be there for the entire impeachment trial all JanuAry and February when they want to be campaigning

 

 

[Deranged Rhino]

7 minutes ago, row_33 said:

So how many Senators are going to have to be there for the entire impeachment trial all JanuAry and February when they want to be campaigning

 

 

All of them. 
 

The big winners will be Mayor Pete and Biden who don’t have to go. 
 

 

[Joe Miner]

12 hours ago, Deranged Rhino said:

All of them. 
 

The big winners will be Mayor Pete and Biden who don’t have to go. 
 

 

 

In a way too early prediction, I think it will be Mayor Pete against Trump.

 

He's been the best so far at not saying anything people are paying attention to and not doing anything illegal.

 

He's got the best strategy.  Keep the crazy in check enough to get through the primaries.

 

[DC Tom]

22 hours ago, Deranged Rhino said:

All of them. 
 

The big winners will be Mayor Pete and Biden who don’t have to go. 
 

 

 

And the big losers will be Mayor Pete and Biden, who can't campaign on their impeachment vote.

 

Don't kid yourself: the impeachment vote IS the campaign trail.

[row_33]

25 minutes ago, DC Tom said:

 

And the big losers will be Mayor Pete and Biden, who can't campaign on their impeachment vote.

 

Don't kid yourself: the impeachment vote IS the campaign trail.

if they didn’t run a candidate in 2020 it wouldn’t be that much missed or a loss

 

[RochesterRob]

10 hours ago, Joe Miner said:

 

In a way too early prediction, I think it will be Mayor Pete against Trump.

 

He's been the best so far at not saying anything people are paying attention to and not doing anything illegal.

 

He's got the best strategy.  Keep the crazy in check enough to get through the primaries.

 

  Mayor Pete's sexual orientation does not play with certain blocks of the traditional Democratic voter base.  It truly will be desperate times if he is nominated at the convention.

[RochesterRob]

45 minutes ago, DC Tom said:

 

And the big losers will be Mayor Pete and Biden, who can't campaign on their impeachment vote.

 

Don't kid yourself: the impeachment vote IS the campaign trail.

  Harris is pretty much gone but I could see the DNC wanting to give Warren the bragging rights for voting to impeach.  The DNC very badly wants this to go to the Senate even if the vote will be against impeachment.

[Buffalo_Gal]

43 minutes ago, RochesterRob said:

  Mayor Pete's sexual orientation does not play with certain blocks of the traditional Democratic voter base.  It truly will be desperate times if he is nominated at the convention.

Been saying this for a while. It is a truth few want to contemplate or admit to.

[Koko78]

1 hour ago, RochesterRob said:

  Harris is pretty much gone but I could see the DNC wanting to give Warren the bragging rights for voting to impeach.  The DNC very badly wants this to go to the Senate even if the vote will be against impeachment.

 

I don't know about that. The Democrat leadership has to know that a trial in the Senate will be an unmitigated disaster for them come November - as in Trump may hit 400+ electoral votes-type disaster.

[3rdnlng]

1 hour ago, RochesterRob said:

  Harris is pretty much gone but I could see the DNC wanting to give Warren the bragging rights for voting to impeach.  The DNC very badly wants this to go to the Senate even if the vote will be against impeachment.

The dems would prefer to have the Senate dismiss the charges so they can say it was a coverup. If the House impeaches, a thorough trial in the Senate is what the GOP would prefer. In that scenario the dems will be crushed.

[RochesterRob]

1 hour ago, 3rdnlng said:

The dems would prefer to have the Senate dismiss the charges so they can say it was a coverup. If the House impeaches, a thorough trial in the Senate is what the GOP would prefer. In that scenario the dems will be crushed.

  Events of the last day could very well prove you correct.  The texture of this move changes by the hour.  The Democrat lines of defense keep getting knocked down repeatedly in the last few days.  They could be much more vulnerable at this point than we realize.  Stay tuned.