Iverwig Posted October 1, 2018 Share Posted October 1, 2018 I get that the Bills will have plenty of money to sign free agents next year but if they don't show any signs of being able to win what makes the front office think they will be able to sign players. They have already shown they want players that fit their mold so that limits who they will look to sign. Not to mention they haven't shown they know what they are doing. You start Peterman the first game of the season and he stinks it up AGAIN, then you bring Allen in to start the second game but you don't sign another QB and keep Peterman on the roster. The receivers are the worst I have ever seen in the NFL which they should have seen that before the fans. The OL is horrendous. I just don't see many players wanting to come here next year and I can't see the team handing out guaranteed contracts like candy. I just don't see how the team is going to improve to much of anything next year and I'm afraid we will become the new Cleveland Browns. Somebody help to see what I am not seeing so I can have some hope for the future of my Bills. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aceman_16 Posted October 1, 2018 Share Posted October 1, 2018 Money. /close thread 7 1 9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fadingpain Posted October 1, 2018 Share Posted October 1, 2018 Well in theory they are trying to get it all put together so that we are a winning team that players will want to play for. This year is a lot of calculated frustration. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted October 1, 2018 Share Posted October 1, 2018 2 minutes ago, Iverwig said: I get that the Bills will have plenty of money to sign free agents next year but if they don't show any signs of being able to win what makes the front office think they will be able to sign players. They have already shown they want players that fit their mold so that limits who they will look to sign. Not to mention they haven't shown they know what they are doing. You start Peterman the first game of the season and he stinks it up AGAIN, then you bring Allen in to start the second game but you don't sign another QB and keep Peterman on the roster. The receivers are the worst I have ever seen in the NFL which they should have seen that before the fans. The OL is horrendous. I just don't see many players wanting to come here next year and I can't see the team handing out guaranteed contracts like candy. I just don't see how the team is going to improve to much of anything next year and I'm afraid we will become the new Cleveland Browns. Somebody help to see what I am not seeing so I can have some hope for the future of my Bills. Because at the end of the day money talks. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PIZ Posted October 1, 2018 Share Posted October 1, 2018 $$$$$ 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloRush Posted October 1, 2018 Share Posted October 1, 2018 Cleveland went 1-31 over two seasons. They had no problem attracting Free Agents 7 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan130 Posted October 1, 2018 Share Posted October 1, 2018 (edited) 2 minutes ago, aceman_16 said: Money. /close thread Money is a big factor but there are also many other factors that come into play. Edited October 1, 2018 by billsfan11 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iverwig Posted October 1, 2018 Author Share Posted October 1, 2018 I get that money talks but if the contract is not guaranteed then why come and play for Buffalo? We have been the laughing stock of the NFL for 3 of the first 4 weeks so far. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fadingpain Posted October 1, 2018 Share Posted October 1, 2018 News flash: all teams in the league have money. You need more than that if you are trying to lure talented free agents to your team. 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Real McClappy Posted October 1, 2018 Share Posted October 1, 2018 $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iverwig Posted October 1, 2018 Author Share Posted October 1, 2018 2 minutes ago, Fadingpain said: News flash: all teams in the league have money. You need more than that if you are trying to lure talented free agents to your team. Exactly!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iinii Posted October 1, 2018 Share Posted October 1, 2018 Winning Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roundybout Posted October 1, 2018 Share Posted October 1, 2018 5 minutes ago, Fadingpain said: News flash: all teams in the league have money. You need more than that if you are trying to lure talented free agents to your team. Cleveland managed, as someone said above Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jrober38 Posted October 1, 2018 Share Posted October 1, 2018 6 minutes ago, BuffaloRush said: Cleveland went 1-31 over two seasons. They had no problem attracting Free Agents What free agents did they sign? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloRush Posted October 1, 2018 Share Posted October 1, 2018 5 minutes ago, Iverwig said: I get that money talks but if the contract is not guaranteed then why come and play for Buffalo? We have been the laughing stock of the NFL for 3 of the first 4 weeks so far. Cleveland.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weebdestroyer12 Posted October 1, 2018 Share Posted October 1, 2018 The same reasons players went to the Browns.. Money, NEXT! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColoradoBills Posted October 1, 2018 Share Posted October 1, 2018 2 minutes ago, Iverwig said: I get that money talks but if the contract is not guaranteed then why come and play for Buffalo? We have been the laughing stock of the NFL for 3 of the first 4 weeks so far. 2 minutes ago, Fadingpain said: News flash: all teams in the league have money. You need more than that if you are trying to lure talented free agents to your team. Which means a team in Buffalo's position has to offer more average per year dollars and more guaranteed money than other teams. Of course as soon as they do that there will be tons of posts about how the FA signer is not playing to his $ value. We already got that with Star and Murphy. LOL That being said even overpaying will not get the players they may want. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jlgarsh Posted October 1, 2018 Share Posted October 1, 2018 1 minute ago, jrober38 said: What free agents did they sign? Carlos Hyde, Jarvis Landry (whether by trade or signing him, they still gave him a boatload of money). Gaines from the Bills Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jrober38 Posted October 1, 2018 Share Posted October 1, 2018 1 minute ago, jlgarsh said: Carlos Hyde, Jarvis Landry (whether by trade or signing him, they still gave him a boatload of money). Gaines from the Bills Hyde is the only guy they signed. The rest of their acquisitions were all brought in by trades, so the notion that money talks doesn't hold much weight when using the Browns as an example. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bills11 Posted October 1, 2018 Share Posted October 1, 2018 7 minutes ago, Fadingpain said: News flash: all teams in the league have money. You need more than that if you are trying to lure talented free agents to your team. Exactly . Even when we had cap space we were never in the discussion for free agents for years because of the culture here . The only one who took the money was Mario Williams . 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weebdestroyer12 Posted October 1, 2018 Share Posted October 1, 2018 1 minute ago, jrober38 said: What free agents did they sign? Jarvis Landry, Tyrod Taylor, Carlos Hyde, E.J. Gaines, Evan Berry, I mean you can see it yourselfhttps://www.clevelandbrowns.com/team/transactions/ Don't jump to conclusion. 2008 Lions were a joke and got some players the following year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloRush Posted October 1, 2018 Share Posted October 1, 2018 9 minutes ago, Iverwig said: I get that money talks but if the contract is not guaranteed then why come and play for Buffalo? We have been the laughing stock of the NFL for 3 of the first 4 weeks so far. Cleveland.. Frank Gore TJ Carrie Jarvis Landry EJ Gaines Chris Hubbard All after an 0-16 season 2 minutes ago, jrober38 said: Hyde is the only guy they signed. The rest of their acquisitions were all brought in by trades, so the notion that money talks doesn't hold much weight when using the Browns as an example. They gave Landry a massive contract....that counts Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColoradoBills Posted October 1, 2018 Share Posted October 1, 2018 3 minutes ago, jrober38 said: Hyde is the only guy they signed. The rest of their acquisitions were all brought in by trades, so the notion that money talks doesn't hold much weight when using the Browns as an example. Cleveland's 2018 FAs signings Chris Hubbard RT 27 PIT CLE 5 $36,500,000 $7,300,000 $15,150,000 $9,000,000 $5,800,000 CarrieTravis Carrie CB 28 OAK CLE 4 $31,000,000 $7,750,000 $15,500,000 $8,000,000 $5,300,000 HydeCarlos Hyde RB 26 SF CLE 3 $15,250,000 $5,083,333 $8,000,000 $5,000,000 $3,166,666 FellsDarren Fells TE 32 DET CLE 3 $12,000,000 $4,000,000 $6,150,000 $4,650,000 $3,600,000 SmithChris Smith DE 30 CIN CLE 3 $12,000,000 $4,000,000 $4,500,000 $4,500,000 $2,666,666 MitchellTerrance Mitchell CB 26 KC CLE 3 $10,000,000 $3,333,333 $4,500,000 $3,500,000 $2,666,666 StantonDrew Stanton QB 34 ARI CLE 2 $6,500,000 $3,250,000 $4,150,000 $4,150,000 $2,500,000 GainesE.J. Gaines CB 26 BUF CLE 1 $4,000,000 $4,000,000 $1,400,000 $1,400,000 $3,865,625 StephensonDonald Stephenson LT 29 DEN CLE 1 $2,500,000 $2,500,000 $1,000,000 $1,000,000 $2,500,000 JanisJeff Janis WR 27 GB CLE 1 $1,250,000 $1,250,000 0- 0- $1,250,000 WatfordEarl Watford RT 28 CHI CLE 1 $790,000 $790,000 0- 0- $790,000 RobinsonGreg Robinson LT 25 DET CLE 1 $790,000 $790,000 0- 0- $630,000 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloRush Posted October 1, 2018 Share Posted October 1, 2018 1 minute ago, ColoradoBills said: Cleveland's 2018 FAs signings Chris Hubbard RT 27 PIT CLE 5 $36,500,000 $7,300,000 $15,150,000 $9,000,000 $5,800,000 CarrieTravis Carrie CB 28 OAK CLE 4 $31,000,000 $7,750,000 $15,500,000 $8,000,000 $5,300,000 HydeCarlos Hyde RB 26 SF CLE 3 $15,250,000 $5,083,333 $8,000,000 $5,000,000 $3,166,666 FellsDarren Fells TE 32 DET CLE 3 $12,000,000 $4,000,000 $6,150,000 $4,650,000 $3,600,000 SmithChris Smith DE 30 CIN CLE 3 $12,000,000 $4,000,000 $4,500,000 $4,500,000 $2,666,666 MitchellTerrance Mitchell CB 26 KC CLE 3 $10,000,000 $3,333,333 $4,500,000 $3,500,000 $2,666,666 StantonDrew Stanton QB 34 ARI CLE 2 $6,500,000 $3,250,000 $4,150,000 $4,150,000 $2,500,000 GainesE.J. Gaines CB 26 BUF CLE 1 $4,000,000 $4,000,000 $1,400,000 $1,400,000 $3,865,625 StephensonDonald Stephenson LT 29 DEN CLE 1 $2,500,000 $2,500,000 $1,000,000 $1,000,000 $2,500,000 JanisJeff Janis WR 27 GB CLE 1 $1,250,000 $1,250,000 0- 0- $1,250,000 WatfordEarl Watford RT 28 CHI CLE 1 $790,000 $790,000 0- 0- $790,000 RobinsonGreg Robinson LT 25 DET CLE 1 $790,000 $790,000 0- 0- $630,000 But no one will want to come to Buffalo! Also that list doesn't include Landry who was signed to a new deal 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bing Bong Posted October 1, 2018 Share Posted October 1, 2018 IF THEY TRUST THE PROCESS. I figured it out. The process is a metaphysical force (like starwars) that influences free agents to join an inevitable juggernaut.. and I see a lot of midichlorians on.. Foster. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aussie Joe Posted October 1, 2018 Share Posted October 1, 2018 Has anyone mentioned money? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bing Bong Posted October 1, 2018 Share Posted October 1, 2018 (edited) 12 minutes ago, ColoradoBills said: Cleveland's 2018 FAs signings Chris Hubbard RT 27 PIT CLE 5 $36,500,000 $7,300,000 $15,150,000 $9,000,000 $5,800,000 CarrieTravis Carrie CB 28 OAK CLE 4 $31,000,000 $7,750,000 $15,500,000 $8,000,000 $5,300,000 HydeCarlos Hyde RB 26 SF CLE 3 $15,250,000 $5,083,333 $8,000,000 $5,000,000 $3,166,666 FellsDarren Fells TE 32 DET CLE 3 $12,000,000 $4,000,000 $6,150,000 $4,650,000 $3,600,000 SmithChris Smith DE 30 CIN CLE 3 $12,000,000 $4,000,000 $4,500,000 $4,500,000 $2,666,666 MitchellTerrance Mitchell CB 26 KC CLE 3 $10,000,000 $3,333,333 $4,500,000 $3,500,000 $2,666,666 StantonDrew Stanton QB 34 ARI CLE 2 $6,500,000 $3,250,000 $4,150,000 $4,150,000 $2,500,000 GainesE.J. Gaines CB 26 BUF CLE 1 $4,000,000 $4,000,000 $1,400,000 $1,400,000 $3,865,625 StephensonDonald Stephenson LT 29 DEN CLE 1 $2,500,000 $2,500,000 $1,000,000 $1,000,000 $2,500,000 JanisJeff Janis WR 27 GB CLE 1 $1,250,000 $1,250,000 0- 0- $1,250,000 WatfordEarl Watford RT 28 CHI CLE 1 $790,000 $790,000 0- 0- $790,000 RobinsonGreg Robinson LT 25 DET CLE 1 $790,000 $790,000 0- 0- $630,000 So, Hyde really.. and we got an aging RB in Ivory. The rest of the guys are super over paid (like star!).. guys we could have got too (AJ and Drew Stanton lol). We signed a lot of free agents turns out! So I don't see dissimilarities here.. at all. Strikingly similar really. This team is good at getting get in UDFAs, and players who look undervalued. Begs the question, could we get that guy to sign on to a team that is regarded to be tanking? Kiss of death for a FA."Uh no thanks I'll go to this team that'll pay me just as much and tries to win and make my career look better being on a team that tries it's best and hopefully get me one last good contract." Edited October 1, 2018 by PetermanThrew5Picks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColoradoBills Posted October 1, 2018 Share Posted October 1, 2018 3 minutes ago, BuffaloRush said: But no one will want to come to Buffalo! Also that list doesn't include Landry who was signed to a new deal True, but that was trade related. Here is Browns 2017 FA signings. Note: Zeitler's contract is more than the Bills entire offensive line contracts put together which is 32 million. It really is that simple as to why the Bills have a bad OL. Kevin Zeitler G 27 CIN CLE 5 $60,000,000 $12,000,000 $31,500,000 $23,000,000 $8,400,000 BrittKenny Britt WR 28 LA CLE 4 $32,500,000 $8,125,000 $17,000,000 $10,500,000 $5,625,000 TretterJ.C. Tretter C 26 GB CLE 3 $16,750,000 $5,583,333 $10,000,000 $6,500,000 $3,609,375 McCantsMatt McCants RT 28 CHI CLE 1 $855,000 $855,000 $80,000 $80,000 $695,000 MageeTerrence Magee RB 24 SEA CLE 1 $615,000 $615,000 0- 0- $615,000 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vorpma Posted October 1, 2018 Share Posted October 1, 2018 31 minutes ago, Iverwig said: I get that the Bills will have plenty of money to sign free agents next year but if they don't show any signs of being able to win what makes the front office think they will be able to sign players. They have already shown they want players that fit their mold so that limits who they will look to sign. Not to mention they haven't shown they know what they are doing. You start Peterman the first game of the season and he stinks it up AGAIN, then you bring Allen in to start the second game but you don't sign another QB and keep Peterman on the roster. The receivers are the worst I have ever seen in the NFL which they should have seen that before the fans. The OL is horrendous. I just don't see many players wanting to come here next year and I can't see the team handing out guaranteed contracts like candy. I just don't see how the team is going to improve to much of anything next year and I'm afraid we will become the new Cleveland Browns. Somebody help to see what I am not seeing so I can have some hope for the future of my Bills. They have throughout history! Build a winner, pay, and take care of players! Please look at the 1984 - 1985 - 1986 seasons and stop making ridiculous posts! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Bing Bong Posted October 1, 2018 Share Posted October 1, 2018 10 minutes ago, Aussie Joe said: Has anyone mentioned money? Everybody tells me we're going to have unlimited cap space next year. Whaley Spectre gone. I haven't confirmed that because it doesn't matter right now.. don't care.. but please lmk if this is untrue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vorpma Posted October 1, 2018 Share Posted October 1, 2018 29 minutes ago, Iverwig said: I get that money talks but if the contract is not guaranteed then why come and play for Buffalo? We have been the laughing stock of the NFL for 3 of the first 4 weeks so far. So were the Dallas Cowboys in 1989 and many other teams that evolved into winning franchises; get over it! 14 minutes ago, BuffaloRush said: But no one will want to come to Buffalo! Also that list doesn't include Landry who was signed to a new deal Says who - you????? Try to read some NFL history and understand the game ---- Please! Who cares about Landry! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rock Pile Posted October 1, 2018 Share Posted October 1, 2018 It’s always been about the money. If Andy Dalton doesn’t throw that TD the drought continues. At best they finish 4-12 this year and gear up strong for free agency as well as the draft. We’ve finally got a GM, Head Coach and a QB; money will help to bring the other pieces. We need to raise the bar with regards to talent & expectations - Clay, Z.Jones, K. Benjamin or terrible! I’m trusting the process and knew that this year would be a step backwards. Think positive, we will get better. Go Bills! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iverwig Posted October 1, 2018 Author Share Posted October 1, 2018 4 minutes ago, vorpma said: So were the Dallas Cowboys in 1989 and many other teams that evolved into winning franchises; get over it! Says who - you????? Try to read some NFL history and understand the game ---- Please! Who cares about Landry! The Cowboys made a huge trade to get them to the point of success, the Bills have no one of value to trade. Jimmy Johnson was a master mind of a coach I am not sure McD is on par with JJ. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColoradoBills Posted October 1, 2018 Share Posted October 1, 2018 5 minutes ago, PetermanThrew5Picks said: So, Hyde really.. and we got an aging RB in Ivory. The rest of the guys are super over paid (like star!).. guys we could have got too (AJ and Drew Stanton lol). We signed a lot of free agents turns out! So I don't see dissimilarities here.. at all. Strikingly similar really. This team is good at getting get in UDFAs, and players who look undervalued. Begs the question, could we get that guy to sign on to a team that is regarded to be tanking? Kiss of death for a FA."Uh no thanks I'll go to this team that'll pay me just as much and tries to win and make my career look better being on a team that tries it's best and hopefully get me one last good contract." I'm not sure what you're saying to me. I'm stating the Bills have a truckload of FA $'s and will have to overpay to get players to come here IF they want to come at all. I can't say it any simpler. Are you mad that the Bills will have to do that because I'm not trilled either, it's just the way it is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iverwig Posted October 1, 2018 Author Share Posted October 1, 2018 8 minutes ago, vorpma said: They have throughout history! Build a winner, pay, and take care of players! Please look at the 1984 - 1985 - 1986 seasons and stop making ridiculous posts! What's ridiculous about the post? I clearly stated SERIOUS QUESTION. So you have to go back to 84-84 for a repeat of history in 2018 yeah okay. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boca BIlls Posted October 1, 2018 Share Posted October 1, 2018 A couple FA are not going to change this team Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Real McClappy Posted October 1, 2018 Share Posted October 1, 2018 20 minutes ago, Aussie Joe said: Has anyone mentioned money? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted October 1, 2018 Share Posted October 1, 2018 37 minutes ago, Fadingpain said: Well in theory they are trying to get it all put together so that we are a winning team that players will want to play for. This year is a lot of calculated frustration. This was worth repeating. Is anyone capable of looking beyond the end of their own nose. Today was ugly, but to me (if Josh is the guy) the future looks bright. QB is first and foremost, and this is a learning year....if he survives. Coming up is cap space and draft picks to brighten our future. I’m not going down that Eyore path. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan714 Posted October 1, 2018 Share Posted October 1, 2018 Its obvious the winning and the weather. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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