The Rosen Era Has Begun in Arizona

[Jauronimo]

44 minutes ago, joesixpack said:

 

I laughed a little there.

 

Clay has only had about double the production that Gresham has had over the last 4 years. 

 

Clay:  47 games, 170 Rec, 1,757 yards, 9 TDs   https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/C/ClayCh00.htm

 

Gresham: 50 games, 91 Rec, 982 yards, 5TDs  https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/G/GresJe00.htm

 

I'm laughing more than a little.

[OldTimeAFLGuy]

14 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said:

 

They are down two starting guards and they are with last night as exhibit A.  Allen doesn't suck, he's much more inexperienced and has a bigger learning curve than the other 3 QBs who were drafted in the top ten.  Nothing new about this. 

 

...EVERY QB in this class has a learning curve.....and the depth, extent and longevity of those curves SIGNIFICANTLY depends upon the teammates around them as well as COACHING....hardly a "one man" or "individual" show IMO.................

[26CornerBlitz]

2 minutes ago, OldTimeAFLGuy said:

 

...EVERY QB in this class has a learning curve.....and the depth, extent and longevity of those curves SIGNIFICANTLY depends upon the teammates around them as well as COACHING....hardly a "one man" or "individual" show IMO.................

 

True enough. Each can still be evaluated as individual players on a number of factors that determine long term success or failure at the NFL level. 

 

 

[K-9]

10 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said:

 

True enough. Each can still be evaluated as individual players on a number of factors that determine long term success or failure at the NFL level. 

 

 

Uh-oh. That sprained toe is really gonna impact his mobility. 

[OldTimeAFLGuy]

4 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said:

 

True enough. Each can still be evaluated as individual players on a number of factors that determine long term success or failure at the NFL level. 

 

 

 

...logically of course bud......I hearken back to my favorite Steve Young quote (yup, HIM)  where he said, "more collegians fail versus succeed at the NFL level due to the speed and complexity of  the game".....it is a monumental transition but probably more so on a position basis, namely QB...........

[IDBillzFan]

1 hour ago, Magox said:

 Fact is that our supporting cast for Allen is worse than Rosen and his overall impact has been more positive for the team than Rosen's. 

 

I think anyone could also easily argue that Allen's supporting cast is genuinely trying harder than Rosen's, which I attribute less to the individual QBs and more to the coaches.

 

AZ's Ol last night looked like it was playing the final minutes of the final game of a 3-13 season. The speed and purpose at which the Broncos D were playing relative to AZ's O was not even in question. All you have to do is watch the Rosen fumble that shot up the field after the Miller hit. The AZ players looked like they were just waiting for their Uber to show up to escort them toward the ball.

 

Arguing which Offense is worse between Buffalo and AZ feels a lot like arguing if Hillary Clinton is hotter than Ruth Bader Ginsburg, but AZ quit quit before halftime last night, and that's the primary difference between the two teams from an Offensive standpoint.

 

 

Edited October 19, 2018 by LABillzFan

[26CornerBlitz]

7 minutes ago, K-9 said:

Uh-oh. That sprained toe is really gonna impact his mobility. 

 

I'm about to call Todd Gurley on you. 

Edited October 19, 2018 by 26CornerBlitz

[K-9]

3 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said:

 

I'm about to call Tood Gurley on you. 

I assume Tood is Todd's little brother? The one with the pulled hammy?

[26CornerBlitz]

1 minute ago, K-9 said:

I assume Tood is Todd's little brother? The one with the pulled hammy?

 

Already fixed it.  But Tood means he arrives with bad intentions. 

Edited October 19, 2018 by 26CornerBlitz

[K-9]

14 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said:

 

Already fixed it.  But Tood means he arrives with bad intentions. 

Rosen's toe has 'tude, too. 

[OldTimeAFLGuy]

8 minutes ago, K-9 said:

Rosen's toe has 'tude, too. 

 

 

.....which is worse?...on your team's "injury report" with a "bruised toe" or "inflamed hangnail"?......maybe "substandard pedicure"?.....just askin'..............

[Teddy KGB]

59 minutes ago, K-9 said:

Uh-oh. That sprained toe is really gonna impact his mobility. 

 

 

[K-9]

36 minutes ago, OldTimeAFLGuy said:

 

 

.....which is worse?...on your team's "injury report" with a "bruised toe" or "inflamed hangnail"?......maybe "substandard pedicure"?.....just askin'..............

That's difficult to say given that Brady has set the standard with "bruised labia." 

[LB3]

This thread is comic gold. Watching a certain poster bend over backwards to defend Rosen is the best. No agenda. Allen is struggling and nothing Rosen does is his fault. Stay gold bot-boy!

Edited October 19, 2018 by LBSeeBallLBGetBall

[K-9]

11 minutes ago, Teddy KGB said:

 

 

Outstanding. Can never have enough big Lebowski references. 

 

The dude abides, man. 

 

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

6 minutes ago, LBSeeBallLBGetBall said:

This thread is comic gold. Watching a certain poster bend over backwards to defend Rosen is the best. No agenda. Allen is struggling and nothing Rosen does is his fault. Stay gold bot-boy!

Isn’t it amazing?

 

jimmy garapolo must be jealous with all the love for Rosen. 

 

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

6 minutes ago, K-9 said:

Outstanding. Can never have enough big Lebowski references. 

 

The dude abides, man. 

 

 

Right? Greatest american movie of the past 30 years.

 

11 minutes ago, LBSeeBallLBGetBall said:

This thread is comic gold. Watching a certain poster bend over backwards to defend Rosen is the best. No agenda. Allen is struggling and nothing Rosen does is his fault. Stay gold bot-boy!

 

Glad I'm not the only one that sees this.

 

[26CornerBlitz]

 

[syhuang]

1 hour ago, LBSeeBallLBGetBall said:

This thread is comic gold. Watching a certain poster bend over backwards to defend Rosen is the best. No agenda. Allen is struggling and nothing Rosen does is his fault. Stay gold bot-boy!

 

This sums up very well. Any sane person would agree both are rookies with bad support cast and it's way too earlier to claim who is better. It's pretty hyperbolic to use one standard on one rookie and then use a different standard on another rookie simply to claim "I'm right about which rookie is better" or "I told you so". And yes, this applies to both Allen supporters and Rosen supporters.

[26CornerBlitz]

21 minutes ago, syhuang said:

 

This sums up very well. Any sane person would agree both are rookies with bad support cast and it's way too earlier to claim who is better. It's pretty hyperbolic to use one standard on one rookie and then use a different standard on another rookie simply to claim "I'm right about which rookie is better" or "I told you so". And yes, this applies to both Allen supporters and Rosen supporters.

 

When Allen has a game where he demonstrates this level of QB play, I'll say he's better.  He has the physical attributes to be, but has not put that together with the mental aspects thus far to have even a single game as good as Rosen's debut as a starter.  None of these rookie QBs are finished products, so we're talking about where they are now with no one knowing how things will ultimately stand. 

 

The All-22: Beyond the Numbers

 

Cardinals rookie quarterback Josh Rosen, fresh off his first NFL start in a 20-17 loss to the Seahawks, could certainly relate. Rosen had decent stats on the day—he completed 15 of 27 passes for 180 yards, one touchdown and no interceptions—but in no way do those quiet numbers represent how Rosen actually played against one of the NFL’s better defenses.

 

In truth, had Rosen’s receivers met him anywhere near halfway, not only would his numbers have been far better, but the Cardinals—whose offense was dormant in the season’s first 2 ½ games before the decision was made to replace Sam Bradford—probably would have won this game. Instead, Rosen was mysteriously bedeviled by drop after drop on passes that not only should have been caught, but also showed the attributes that make Rosen the most talented quarterback in this draft class.

 

When I reviewed Rosen’s UCLA tape, I saw a passer with the ability to move in the pocket, the toughness to make throws with defenders all around him, and the arm to make just about any throw accurately. He showed all of those things against Seattle, but the numbers didn’t match up because his targets—including future Hall-of-Famer Larry Fitzgerald—had an epic case of Bad Hands throughout the game.

 

What was most impressive and important about this is the way Rosen handled it. He didn’t get flustered, he didn’t veer off the plan; he simply kept making great throw after great throw. It took a while for that approach to pay off—Rosen threw his first NFL touchdown pass with 8:59 left in the game—but the overall performance had to be encouraging for an offense that had done nothing before Rosen arrived to spark things up.

 

Edited October 19, 2018 by 26CornerBlitz

[Bobby Hooks]

I was a big Rosen guy. I know it’s way too early to tell and they both need a lot of help but at this point I’m actually feeling Allen a bit more. 

 

Allen just seems sturdier. Rosen looks weak and I feel his arm strength will be an issue. 

 

His passes just seem to take forever to get to his recievers. The DB’s were just feeding off him last night. 

Edited October 19, 2018 by Bobby Hooks

[PIZ]

30 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said:

 

 

Must be because Rosen has slow eyes and can't make the proper read in time.  He's also not athletic enough to take off if the line breaks down.

 

 

[26CornerBlitz]

1 minute ago, PIZ said:

Must be because Rosen has slow eyes and can't make the proper read in time.  He's also not athletic enough to take off if the line breaks down.

 

Good try. That would be a bad assumption.  The PFF stat is about OL play not the QB. 

Edited October 19, 2018 by 26CornerBlitz

[KDIGGZ]

2 minutes ago, Bobby Hooks said:

I was a big Rosen guy. I know it’s way too early to tell and they both need a lot of help but at this point I’m actually feeling Allen a bit more. 

 

Allen just seems sturdier. Rosen looks weak and I feel his arm strength will be an issue. 

I like Allen. He's big and he jumps over people.

[syhuang]

4 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said:

 

When Allen has a game where he demonstrates this level of QB play, I'll say he's better.  He has the physical attributes to be, but has not put that together with the mental aspects thus far to have even a single game as good as Rosen's debut as a starter.  None of these rookie QBs are finished products, so we're talking about where they are now with no one knowing how things will ultimately stand. 

 

 

This is the key and it's pretty useless to argue who is better now after only several games into their career. It's not a secret that Rosen is deemed more pro ready, but you can't deny Rosen has better games but also has worse games so far in the few games he plays.

[Dr. Who]

3 minutes ago, WRONG JOSH said:

I like Allen. He's big and he jumps over people.

I like Rosen. He sulks like Jay Cutler.

[KDIGGZ]

2 minutes ago, Dr. Who said:

I like Rosen. He sulks like Jay Cutler.

Brady is the biggest cry baby in all of sports. I'm glad he's not on my team

[26CornerBlitz]

9 minutes ago, syhuang said:

 

This is the key and it's pretty useless to argue who is better now after only several games into their career. It's not a secret that Rosen is deemed more pro ready, but you can't deny Rosen has better games but also has worse games so far in the few games he plays.

 

Allen has played one good half of football against MIN with most of his best plays being when he used his legs and a couple of nice passes here and there.  Rosen played one excellent game, one poor game, one decent game, and last night was terrible.   It's very early with a long time to go before we know who is what.  They both need much improved supporting casts to bring out their best talents.

Edited October 19, 2018 by 26CornerBlitz

[syhuang]

1 minute ago, 26CornerBlitz said:

 

Allen has played one good half of football against MIN with most of his best plays being when he used his legs and a couple of nice passes here and there.  Rosen played one excellent game, one poor game, one decent game, and last night was terrible.   It's very early with a long time to go before who is what.  They both need much improved supporting casts to bring out their best talents.

 

Exactly, it's pretty pointless to argue who is better now after only few games into their career.

Edited October 19, 2018 by syhuang

[Dr. Who]

Just now, WRONG JOSH said:

Brady is the biggest cry baby in all of sports. I'm glad he's not on my team

LOL. Rosen isn't Brady. No one knows at this point who if any of the rookie qbs will end up as a top qb. I prefer Allen. It's alright if you like Rosen better, but if you are going to make a bad joke at Allen's expense, it ought to be okay to make a bad joke at Rosens'.

[26CornerBlitz]

1 minute ago, syhuang said:

 

Exactly, it's pretty pointless to argue who is better now after only few games into their career.

 

It is, but there are still attributes that you look for. 

[KDIGGZ]

Give me a team full of guys who follow "the process" and a big strong armed QB to throw in those massive Buffalo snow storms!

[Haze_21]

Ill still take rosen over allen but that was ugly

[LSHMEAB]

3 minutes ago, Dr. Who said:

LOL. Rosen isn't Brady. No one knows at this point who if any of the rookie qbs will end up as a top qb. I prefer Allen. It's alright if you like Rosen better, but if you are going to make a bad joke at Allen's expense, it ought to be okay to make a bad joke at Rosens'.

His point is still a good one.

 

Every great quarterback in the history of football could be labeled a "diva."

 

You have to have a MASSIVE ego to play that position at the highest level.

[syhuang]

Just now, 26CornerBlitz said:

 

It is, but there are still attributes that you look for. 

 

Nah, it's pretty pointless to argue who is better now with few games into their career unless it's for the purpose of "I told you so".

[Dr. Who]

2 minutes ago, LSHMEAB said:

His point is still a good one.

 

Every great quarterback in the history of football could be labeled a "diva."

 

You have to have a MASSIVE ego to play that position at the highest level.

Guess you're too young to remember Johnny U or Joe Montana. I don't think you have to be a jerk to be a good qb. Drew Brees seems like a very nice fella, doesn't he?

Edited October 19, 2018 by Dr. Who

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

4 minutes ago, Dr. Who said:

LOL. Rosen isn't Brady. No one knows at this point who if any of the rookie qbs will end up as a top qb. I prefer Allen. It's alright if you like Rosen better, but if you are going to make a bad joke at Allen's expense, it ought to be okay to make a bad joke at Rosens'.

Correct  

 

no one knows

 

to claim otherwise not right 

 

 

 

[26CornerBlitz]

1 minute ago, syhuang said:

 

Nah, it's pretty pointless to argue who is better now with few games into their career unless it's for the purpose of "I told you so".

 

I told you so isn't the issue.  All players are assessed weekly at every position. 

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

3 minutes ago, LSHMEAB said:

His point is still a good one.

 

Every great quarterback in the history of football could be labeled a "diva."

 

You have to have a MASSIVE ego to play that position at the highest level.

Drew Brees a diva?

 

hardly

 

[LSHMEAB]

1 minute ago, Dr. Who said:

Guess you're too young to remember Johnny U or Joe Montana. I don't think you have to be a jerk to be a good qb.

Montana was most definitely a diva my friend! 

 

I don't know much about Johnny U, but that's because we knew so little about the personal lives of celebrities at that time. I wouldn't be surprised if there was a massive ego underneath that flattop.

1 minute ago, ShadyBillsFan said:

Drew Brees a diva?

 

hardly

 

I'll give you Brees. That's about the only great modern quarterback who seems genuinely humble.