YoloinOhio Posted September 19, 2018 Share Posted September 19, 2018 (edited) They mentioned many times on the broadcast the red zone stats - I believe it was 9 trips to the red zone, 9 TDs at one point. They finally held LA to a FG late in the game on a red zone trip but then allowed a 10th so I think they are 10-11 now. From what i recall, this was a major strength last year. The defense wasn’t great overall but when they were in the redzone they did pretty well preventing TDs especially early in the season. I don’t have stats on hand, just going by memory. What changed? Edited September 19, 2018 by YoloinOhio Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royale with Cheese Posted September 19, 2018 Share Posted September 19, 2018 I think maybe OC’s figures out Frazier’s strategy in the red zone and countered. I think Frazier wasn’t able to figure out how to counter back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted September 19, 2018 Share Posted September 19, 2018 9 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: They mentioned many times on the broadcast the red zone stats - I believe it was 9 trips to the red zone, 9 TDs at one point. They finally held LA to a FG late in the game on a red zone trip but then allowed a 10th so I think they are 10-11 now. From what i recall, this was a major strength last year. The defense wasn’t great overall but when they were in the redzone they did pretty well preventing TDs especially early in the season. I don’t have stats on hand, just going by memory. What changed? Its bad, but I'm more worried about our Red Zone offense every time Josh sniffs the 20 he runs backwards 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted September 19, 2018 Author Share Posted September 19, 2018 Just now, ShadyBillsFan said: Its bad, but I'm more worried about our Red Zone offense every time Josh sniffs the 20 he runs backwards Definitely but I expected the growing pains on the offense 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cripple Creek Posted September 19, 2018 Share Posted September 19, 2018 12 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: They mentioned many times on the broadcast the red zone stats - I believe it was 9 trips to the red zone, 9 TDs at one point. They finally held LA to a FG late in the game on a red zone trip but then allowed a 10th so I think they are 10-11 now. From what i recall, this was a major strength last year. The defense wasn’t great overall but when they were in the redzone they did pretty well preventing TDs especially early in the season. I don’t have stats on hand, just going by memory. What changed? There’s more to it, but last season seemingly every break, every bounce of the ball went the way of the Bills. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ctk232 Posted September 19, 2018 Share Posted September 19, 2018 37 minutes ago, Cripple Creek said: There’s more to it, but last season seemingly every break, every bounce of the ball went the way of the Bills. First five games of the season the Turnover Diff was unreal - you can practice for turnovers, but the majority of them is the ball bouncing your way. Our defense has some pretty glaring holes as well, and a rookie MLB who's quarterbacking the defense and doing a pretty solid job considering his age and lack of experience. It's just as much of a learning process on that side of the ball, too. We're getting gouged on outside runs, swing passes out to the flat, and LB mismatches. Edmunds will get there, but we are asking a lot of a very young rookie who is playing every single snap. Somehow we seem to manage with run stops between the tackles. I'm curious to see how much of that impact is Star, as McD claims it to be with his one technique. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coach Tuesday Posted September 19, 2018 Share Posted September 19, 2018 A rookie MLB who is extremely inconsistent, and one NFL-quality cornerback. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billspro Posted September 19, 2018 Share Posted September 19, 2018 Huge issue right now. We would have been in the game last week if we held them to a couple field goals. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ctk232 Posted September 19, 2018 Share Posted September 19, 2018 2 minutes ago, Coach Tuesday said: A rookie MLB who is extremely inconsistent, and one NFL-quality cornerback. They were both development picks, Edmunds much less so given his scouting report, but we all knew he wasn't perfect at the position, just a physical exception at his age. That coupled with the rest of our lackluster defense doesn't exactly provide a stable learning foundation. I get the pressure on Allen, and the massive media attention it demands. But going with a potentially unpopular opinion here that Edmunds has had just as much, if not more pressure on him as a result of the staff dumping more on him, all while they are taking a slightly more coddled approach to Allen where they can. If we expand our secondary with DB depth (which is literally a cliff once you get past Tredavious), and some actual line play on passing downs, Edmunds will come around just as much as Allen will with a full OL and WR corps. There's symmetry with it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted September 19, 2018 Share Posted September 19, 2018 1 hour ago, YoloinOhio said: Definitely but I expected the growing pains on the offense I'm not a fan of LF and I was glad to hear McD took over the calls Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted September 19, 2018 Share Posted September 19, 2018 2 hours ago, ShadyBillsFan said: Its bad, but I'm more worried about our Red Zone offense every time Josh sniffs the 20 he runs backwards Dude. In his short career so far, Josh Allen has seen the Red Zone 4x. The result is 2 TD and 2 FG. On one of the TD, he gained 23 yards running forward plus a horse-collar penalty where he was running to extend a play. If I were drafting an example of textbook hyperbole revealing the writer's prejudice, it could read just like this. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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OldTimeAFLGuy Posted September 20, 2018 Share Posted September 20, 2018 On 9/19/2018 at 11:11 AM, Royale with Cheese said: I think maybe OC’s figures out Frazier’s strategy in the red zone and countered. I think Frazier wasn’t able to figure out how to counter back. ....good assessment and agree 100%......not at all impressed with Frazier, especially his counter punching ability or woeful lack thereof................and it is well beyond the red zone... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted September 20, 2018 Share Posted September 20, 2018 On 9/19/2018 at 5:04 PM, Coach Tuesday said: A rookie MLB who is extremely inconsistent, and one NFL-quality cornerback. The corner issue is glaring. In the redzone it often comes down to guys winning their individual matchups. I remember plays last year where each of our DBs won their individual matchups with touchdown saving plays. This year people want to throw at Gaines and/or Davis. Be in position, get the right leverage, use the sideline and the backline to your advantage and make a play on the ball. That is the game down there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted September 20, 2018 Share Posted September 20, 2018 On 9/19/2018 at 11:11 AM, Royale with Cheese said: I think maybe OC’s figures out Frazier’s strategy in the red zone and countered. I think Frazier wasn’t able to figure out how to counter back. They figured out "let the other team score?" How'd they counter that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted September 20, 2018 Share Posted September 20, 2018 (edited) On 9/19/2018 at 1:46 PM, Hapless Bills Fan said: Dude. In his short career so far, Josh Allen has seen the Red Zone 4x. The result is 2 TD and 2 FG. On one of the TD, he gained 23 yards running forward plus a horse-collar penalty where he was running to extend a play. If I were drafting an example of textbook hyperbole revealing the writer's prejudice, it could read just like this. FTR I’m not attacking Josh. There were the series (maybe the FGs) where things went bad due to rookie mistakes Also Mea cupla. I’m remembering that disastrous preseason red zone play where he scrambled back and was sacked for well over 15 yards. Funny how my praise for him is forgotten as soon as I criticize a series or two Talk about attacking people because the reader takes ? the wrong way. If you don’t believe me read the Watkins catch thread Edited September 20, 2018 by ShadyBillsFan 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freddie's Dead Posted September 20, 2018 Share Posted September 20, 2018 It's lost, I hope you can find it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vincec Posted September 20, 2018 Share Posted September 20, 2018 It's been more like the Green Zone to this point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloRush Posted September 20, 2018 Share Posted September 20, 2018 1 hour ago, ShadyBillsFan said: FTR I’m not attacking Josh. There were the series (maybe the FGs) where things went bad due to rookie mistakes Also Mea cupla. I’m remembering that disastrous preseason red zone play where he scrambled back and was sacked for well over 15 yards. Funny how my praise for him is forgotten as soon as I criticize a series or two Talk about attacking people because the reader takes ? the wrong way. If you don’t believe me read the Watkins catch thread This guy is just super negative. Looks at the glass half-empty all of the time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted September 20, 2018 Share Posted September 20, 2018 2 minutes ago, BuffaloRush said: This guy is just super negative. Looks at the glass half-empty all of the time. Thank you for contributing to the OP Aren’t you the guy saying the Bills will be drafting a QB in 2019? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloRush Posted September 20, 2018 Share Posted September 20, 2018 3 minutes ago, ShadyBillsFan said: Thank you for contributing to the OP Aren’t you the guy saying the Bills will be drafting a QB in 2019? Nope, I said it’s a possibility if Allen shows he doesn’t have it. It would give Beane a second chance IF it’s apparent Allen is a flop. Again, it all depends on his development as a rookie. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
without a drought Posted September 20, 2018 Share Posted September 20, 2018 I'm not worried, PFF rated the Bills as the best defense in the red zone. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdand12 Posted September 20, 2018 Share Posted September 20, 2018 15 minutes ago, ShadyBillsFan said: Thank you for contributing to the OP Aren’t you the guy saying the Bills will be drafting a QB in 2019? well, they should keep drafting them. Eventually we will have too many good ones ! 6 minutes ago, The Drought said: I'm not worried, PFF rated the Bills as the best defense in the red zone. lets hope the Defense gets settled down sooner than later. Feel they are more stout in the middle and perhaps quote decent on the edges. Only takes one LB to miss a gap to get beat in the RED ZONE 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted September 20, 2018 Share Posted September 20, 2018 18 minutes ago, 3rdand12 said: well, they should keep drafting them. Eventually we will have too many good ones ! Lol. True Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted September 21, 2018 Share Posted September 21, 2018 2 hours ago, ShadyBillsFan said: FTR I’m not attacking Josh. There were the series (maybe the FGs) where things went bad due to rookie mistakes I'll take it that's not your intent, but with a rookie who's played 6 quarters and been in the red zone all of 4 times (2 for TD), please consider that an absolute general statement like "every time Josh sniffs the 20 he runs backwards", please consider that it kind of does look that way. 2 hours ago, ShadyBillsFan said: Funny how my praise for him is forgotten as soon as I criticize a series or two Unless someone is pretty repetitive (or otherwise 'intruding himself on my notice'), I just look at the post I'm responding to, I don't research posting history. But my issue wasn't criticizing a series or two, it was making a sweeping generalization "every time", which is plainly contradicted by the actual facts and really doesn't make a lot of sense to lay on the kid at a lifetime total of 4 RZ trips. The problem I have with our offense isn't its performance in the red zone- which could be improved, sure - it's failing to GET to the red zone often enough Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdand12 Posted September 21, 2018 Share Posted September 21, 2018 4 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: I'll take it that's not your intent, but with a rookie who's played 6 quarters and been in the red zone all of 4 times (2 for TD), please consider that an absolute general statement like "every time Josh sniffs the 20 he runs backwards", please consider that it kind of does look that way. Unless someone is pretty repetitive (or otherwise 'intruding himself on my notice'), I just look at the post I'm responding to, I don't research posting history. But my issue wasn't criticizing a series or two, it was making a sweeping generalization "every time", which is plainly contradicted by the actual facts and really doesn't make a lot of sense to lay on the kid at a lifetime total of 4 RZ trips. The problem I have with our offense isn't its performance in the red zone- which could be improved, sure - it's failing to GET to the red zone often enough I blame Kelvin Benjamin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted September 21, 2018 Share Posted September 21, 2018 7 minutes ago, 3rdand12 said: I blame Kelvin Benjamin They should all belly up to the bar. Free blame-shots for all, starting with our OC and offensive assistants. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdand12 Posted September 21, 2018 Share Posted September 21, 2018 5 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: They should all belly up to the bar. Free blame-shots for all, starting with our OC and offensive assistants. as long as they have a designated driver ? I agree. Flaming blame shots would be awesome. Frozen Flaming blame shots would be amazing. I like Daboll. I worry about Juan and his methods. can the two together make hay ? And these are the Days of our Lives. personally i will stay tuned and look for any subtle uptick in cohesive play calling and Off line effectiveness. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PlayoffsPlease Posted September 21, 2018 Share Posted September 21, 2018 On 9/19/2018 at 11:18 AM, ShadyBillsFan said: Its bad, but I'm more worried about our Red Zone offense every time Josh sniffs the 20 he runs backwards So you think its possible to be worse than letting the other team score TDs 100% of the time in the red zone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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