ocemur Posted September 19, 2018 Share Posted September 19, 2018 We need to build a team that's going to win in the '20s, not the '00s. As the league has moved and likely will continue to move towards passing we need a great QB more than ever. You also need the right coach at the right time. Schemes have a shelf life and opposing coaches learn to defeat them. There is no perfect recipe, but basically you need to be willing to push for excellence from the GMs office to the sidelines, on the field and in the trainer's room. Someone, be it the owner or the GM, needs to build an entire organization that out competes other teams. But QB is becoming more important than ever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted September 19, 2018 Share Posted September 19, 2018 Half the NFL has a franchise or better QB, the Bills have not produced one, unless he was well past his prime, since Jim Kelly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dadonkadonk Posted September 19, 2018 Share Posted September 19, 2018 1 hour ago, NoHuddleKelly12 said: All I’m saying is look at the Seahawks since Wilson got paid—basically downhill ever since, but they were unstoppable when they had all the cap room in the world to work with before that. Of course, Cleveland has had all the cap room in the world for all of recent history and that hasn’t gotten them a W yet either, so maybe bad analogy, IDK. Just hoping we hit some gold with our cash in 2019. Has less to do with Wilson getting paid and more to do with injuries and Oline. They paid Sherman, Bennett, Wagner, Thomas, and Chancellor. Problem was Okung was hurt and they let him leave in FA and they traded all world center for a TE they thought was all world but was not. If they keep Unger and thier first round pick they would be in far better shape. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreggTX Posted September 19, 2018 Share Posted September 19, 2018 Rivers is solid, but he's not elite at all. He can't carry a team like Brady or Peyton and the Chargers just haven't nailed a high enough percentage of their draft picks. They aren't that far off though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted September 19, 2018 Share Posted September 19, 2018 5 minutes ago, GreggTX said: Rivers is solid, but he's not elite at all. He can't carry a team like Brady or Peyton and the Chargers just haven't nailed a high enough percentage of their draft picks. They aren't that far off though. An elite isn’t necessary at all, many teams have gone far with an adequate franchise QB, winning SBs and constantly contending for the playoffs. Half the teams have such a QB each season, look at the passing yards for 2017 and you will find half the teams had a franchise QB, with Rodgers missing due to injury yet counting as a Hall of Fame QB so how have the Bills failed to produce a franchise QB for two decades now? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted September 19, 2018 Share Posted September 19, 2018 3 hours ago, Dr.Sack said: The process > The fans. That’s for god damned sure Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fadingpain Posted September 19, 2018 Share Posted September 19, 2018 4 hours ago, Jerome007 said: A lot of us have high hope Josh Allen might at last be that all elusive “franchise QB” that would help the Bills be a winning team for years to come. And I’m one of them. But Rivers again dismantling the Bills have me realizing this: can anyone doubt he is a franchise, elite QB? His play and stats are amazing. While Peyton, Brady and Rodgers were the top guys, Brees and Rivers were certainly close and among a lot of the Top 5 for the last DECADE. Yet the Chargers made the playoffs only 5 times in the 14 seasons Rivers was there… Sobering fact you need more than a great QB, how much awesome it is. I think Rodgers is the best, yet the Packers success pales compare to the Cheatriots, and even to Manning’s Colts and Broncos. I’d take the Packers and Saints’ records and SB win over the Bills’ drought, but the point is that a great QB is not the complete answer. And some teams did win the Superbowl with “manager type” QBs. Anyway, even if just for entertainment’s sake, let’s hope Allen becomes a star! But that maybe not be the final piece of the puzzle, just a good chunk of it. I'll give you another sobering thought. Josh in no way shows signs of ever playing on the level of Rivers, who will likely end up in the HOF. Some have suggested Allen projects out to be a Matt Stafford type, if things go well. Matt Stafford? That's what everyone is so excited about around here? What the hell has that guy ever done? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fansince88 Posted September 19, 2018 Share Posted September 19, 2018 6 hours ago, The Wiz said: If only. I would have told you you're dumb and you should feel dumb and everyone who read this thread is now dumber for reading it if that were the case. You're pointing out a scenario that I'm sure most bills fans would be happy with as a bad thing. Playoffs 5 times in 14 years vs playoffs 1 time in 18 years. Hard choice. BUT...2 times in 19.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoPar_v2 Posted September 19, 2018 Share Posted September 19, 2018 6 hours ago, Jerome007 said: A lot of us have high hope Josh Allen might at last be that all elusive “franchise QB” that would help the Bills be a winning team for years to come. And I’m one of them. But Rivers again dismantling the Bills have me realizing this: can anyone doubt he is a franchise, elite QB? His play and stats are amazing. While Peyton, Brady and Rodgers were the top guys, Brees and Rivers were certainly close and among a lot of the Top 5 for the last DECADE. Yet the Chargers made the playoffs only 5 times in the 14 seasons Rivers was there… Sobering fact you need more than a great QB, how much awesome it is. I think Rodgers is the best, yet the Packers success pales compare to the Cheatriots, and even to Manning’s Colts and Broncos. I’d take the Packers and Saints’ records and SB win over the Bills’ drought, but the point is that a great QB is not the complete answer. And some teams did win the Superbowl with “manager type” QBs. Anyway, even if just for entertainment’s sake, let’s hope Allen becomes a star! But that maybe not be the final piece of the puzzle, just a good chunk of it. Who is this warning for exactly? Because the prevailing opinion around here (and everywhere else) is not “a franchise QB is the only piece the team has to find,” it’s “a franchise QB is the most important piece the team has to find.” Note the difference and save the “warnings.” Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fr. Jerk Posted September 19, 2018 Share Posted September 19, 2018 6 hours ago, Jerome007 said: A lot of us have high hope Josh Allen might at last be that all elusive “franchise QB” that would help the Bills be a winning team for years to come. And I’m one of them. But Rivers again dismantling the Bills have me realizing this: can anyone doubt he is a franchise, elite QB? His play and stats are amazing. While Peyton, Brady and Rodgers were the top guys, Brees and Rivers were certainly close and among a lot of the Top 5 for the last DECADE. Yet the Chargers made the playoffs only 5 times in the 14 seasons Rivers was there… Sobering fact you need more than a great QB, how much awesome it is. I think Rodgers is the best, yet the Packers success pales compare to the Cheatriots, and even to Manning’s Colts and Broncos. I’d take the Packers and Saints’ records and SB win over the Bills’ drought, but the point is that a great QB is not the complete answer. And some teams did win the Superbowl with “manager type” QBs. Anyway, even if just for entertainment’s sake, let’s hope Allen becomes a star! But that maybe not be the final piece of the puzzle, just a good chunk of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gugny Posted September 19, 2018 Share Posted September 19, 2018 The Chargers missed the playoffs so much because of coaching. Norv Turner. To my knowledge, they are the only team in NFL history to lead the league in offense and defense and NOT make the playoffs. The Bills haven't had a great head coach, in my opinion, since Wade Phillips. Even WITH an elite/franchise QB, without a decent head coach, wins are hardly guaranteed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tenhigh Posted September 19, 2018 Share Posted September 19, 2018 4 hours ago, row_33 said: Half the NFL has a franchise or better QB, the Bills have not produced one, unless he was well past his prime, since Jim Kelly. For 8 games Bledsoe filled that void. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gugny Posted September 19, 2018 Share Posted September 19, 2018 2 hours ago, Fadingpain said: I'll give you another sobering thought. Josh in no way shows signs of ever playing on the level of Rivers, who will likely end up in the HOF. Some have suggested Allen projects out to be a Matt Stafford type, if things go well. Matt Stafford? That's what everyone is so excited about around here? What the hell has that guy ever done? Matt Stafford has quietly been one of the best QBs in the league for the past seven seasons: 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted September 19, 2018 Share Posted September 19, 2018 5 minutes ago, Gugny said: Matt Stafford has quietly been one of the best QBs in the league for the past seven seasons: But he sucks. Hes also a QB that lead the league in 4th QTR comebacks 2 straight seasons. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsredneck1 Posted September 19, 2018 Share Posted September 19, 2018 4 hours ago, Dadonkadonk said: Has less to do with Wilson getting paid and more to do with injuries and Oline. They paid Sherman, Bennett, Wagner, Thomas, and Chancellor. Problem was Okung was hurt and they let him leave in FA and they traded all world center for a TE they thought was all world but was not. If they keep Unger and thier first round pick they would be in far better shape. their problem was payday coming at the same time for too many players. i think we will see mcbeane do a good job with his drafting and staggering contract years so that a winning core of players is sustainable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KRT88 Posted September 19, 2018 Share Posted September 19, 2018 7 hours ago, bobblehead said: I’ll take 5 out of 14 which is better 5 out of 14 or 1 out of 18? 40 minutes ago, Gugny said: Matt Stafford has quietly been one of the best QBs in the league for the past seven seasons: the modern day Archie Manning. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aristocrat Posted September 19, 2018 Share Posted September 19, 2018 Stafford on pace to break Brees and Manning’s yards records. Problem is they can never put a defense with him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PromoTheRobot Posted September 19, 2018 Share Posted September 19, 2018 (edited) So Phillips is elite because he picked apart the supposed worst team in in the NFL for a half? Then couldn't do jack in the second half? Edited September 19, 2018 by PromoTheRobot Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
george c Posted September 19, 2018 Share Posted September 19, 2018 (edited) Great teams are built through the draft by GM s who do their homework and do NOT miss on picks. So far, McBeane is off to a rocky start, and Zay Jones was a HUGE miss. This won’t help Josh.... and can not happen again. Edited September 19, 2018 by George C Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chaccof Posted September 19, 2018 Share Posted September 19, 2018 The Bills have an example to follow - the late 1980's team. They get Bruce Smith in the mid 80's and build a solid defense around him, they pick up Kent Hull and Kelly when the USFL blows up, they bring in Polian around the same time and then bring in Levy midway through the 86 season. They build a fantastic offensive line with Ritcher, Ballard, and Wolford some of who were already there. They build the offense around Reed and then get Thurman in '88 and away we go. And by the way, they brought in a superb special teams coach and had a top-tier special teams group. Kelly was certainly a key piece of the puzzle, but not the only piece. I'm guessing that Allen can be a great QB too, but he can't do it alone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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