Chicken Boo Posted September 16, 2018 Share Posted September 16, 2018 6 minutes ago, joesixpack said: Lets hope You mad your coach is being exposed? It's ok. Let it out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted September 16, 2018 Share Posted September 16, 2018 Just now, Chicken Boo said: You mad your coach is being exposed? It's ok. Let it out. Exposed how, exactly? And by whom? You? I think you value yourself and your opinion too highly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
White Linen Posted September 16, 2018 Share Posted September 16, 2018 Just now, MAJBobby said: Done with you. Already showed your lack of acumen. Poor major boo boo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jtothebrown Posted September 16, 2018 Share Posted September 16, 2018 (edited) 49 minutes ago, BuffaloRush said: There are many reasons why, in the face of the ugly, negative, and defamatory rhetoric from some of the Bills fan base (I use that term loosely), I stand in lock-step with Coach McDermott and GM Beane. There are many reasons why: - We finally have acquired our franchise QB. This year will all be about his individual development, not about the team’s overall record. Also would you rather have another 7-9 year with Tyrod Taylor starting? Or a year bottoming out at say 4-12 where we use a high draft pick to acquire premium talent? Cal me crazy but I’ve seen enough of 7-9. If you’re not gonna make the playoffs, Miss them by a mile. - The are cleaning up the cap situation. Doug Whaley’s cap situation was atrocious. It takes time to clean it up. Beane was able to unload overpaid stars like Sammy Watkins, Marcel Darius, and yes even Tyrod. Next year, we have a lot of $$$ to spend and a high draft position. We will rebuild. - They ended the playoff drought! I repeat, they ended the playoff drought! Some of you would have traded your first born to end the drought, these guys did it and you whinge. - We have our defensive QB’s in Edmunds, Hyde, and White. Solid starters for years to come. Yes Edmunds has struggled a bit so far but he is 20 years old. Give him 1 year NFL experience and you will see. - Coach McDermott will fix the problems on defense. Folks look at the talent on this team. Did you really think this was playoff caliiber? They suffered too many losses. This is a rebuilding year. I would encourage you to look at the overall progress of Josh Allen and not the team’s overall record. This is a rebuild. So in conclusion, thank you Coach McDermott. Thank you GM Beane. You have our ship headed toward the right direction with the character and culture of this organization. To the fans who whinge on this board about the Bills. Quit your whinging. We had a playoff team last year. They broke the streak. Chalk this up to a rebuild and move on. If you don’t like the team....get off the bus! (Mic drop) Nobody on this board cares what you believe in Mr. Beane, except for your boy Mcdirtmutt! Edited September 16, 2018 by jtothebrown Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted September 16, 2018 Share Posted September 16, 2018 Just now, joesixpack said: Exposed how, exactly? And by whom? You? I think you value yourself and your opinion too highly. Lets see how has his defense been? NFL Offenses Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan4 Posted September 16, 2018 Share Posted September 16, 2018 17 minutes ago, MAJBobby said: Whaleys Scouts ouch hurts right https://www.newyorkupstate.com/buffalo-bills/index.ssf/2017/12/how_did_buffalo_bills_land_micah_hyde_in_free_agency_ask_the_green_bay_packers.html Quote Sean McDermott was surprised, too. When free agency rolled around, McDermott had been the Buffalo Bills' head coach for just a few months. But while McDermott was the defensive coordinator for the Carolina Panthers, he had spent plenty of time "T.V. scouting" Hyde whenever he had a chance. He saw a player who could play all over the field, and the two have a mutual friend, so he knew the type of person and leader Hyde could be. So when his first free agency with the Bills rolled around, McDermott put on the tape to see if it would match up with what he'd seen on television. The weird part about it is when I TV scouted him I couldn't get a real feel for what he was until you turn the tape on and see, 'Could he be a full time safety for us?'" McDermott said. It was also reported that Bob Babich is the one who pushed hard for the Bills to sign Jordan Poyer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted September 16, 2018 Share Posted September 16, 2018 Just now, BillsFan4 said: https://www.newyorkupstate.com/buffalo-bills/index.ssf/2017/12/how_did_buffalo_bills_land_micah_hyde_in_free_agency_ask_the_green_bay_packers.html It was also reported that Bob Babich is the one who pushed hard for the Bills to sign Jordan Poyer Oooo ****. I found Mahomes because i TV scouted him. Meaning I WATCHED FOOTBALL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Gun Posted September 16, 2018 Share Posted September 16, 2018 5 minutes ago, John from Riverside said: Because that is what we were topping out at......it takes a better team to get to 11-5 So get rid of all the talented players and going into rebuild mode in the name of process is better than making heady moves and improving on 9-7? Really! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rico Posted September 16, 2018 Share Posted September 16, 2018 3 minutes ago, MAJBobby said: Too funny. So was hired in Jan. And somehow got to scout and make all those reports on all UFAs and Draft. As always, the bottom line is what matters... and the bottom line once again is that Whaley and his team made ZERO decisions about anything after McD was hired. Like I said, it is what it is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stony Posted September 16, 2018 Share Posted September 16, 2018 (edited) 18 minutes ago, sugashane69 said: Daboll was not our answer.... the OC from Seattle is who we should have hired Nor is he the problem. There are plays being left out there. Edited September 16, 2018 by stony Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marv's Neighbor Posted September 16, 2018 Share Posted September 16, 2018 Absent results, taking "stands" is very premature. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
White Linen Posted September 16, 2018 Share Posted September 16, 2018 1 minute ago, Rico said: As always, the bottom line is what matters... and the bottom line once again is that Whaley and his team made ZERO decisions about anything after McD was hired. Like I said, it is what it is. 100% correct Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted September 16, 2018 Share Posted September 16, 2018 11 minutes ago, MAJBobby said: Ok Then WHY do you spend 50M on an aging DT that has got worse every year? To be a run stopper beside a gap penatrator like he was with the Panthers.....lets call a spade a spade here....Kyle Williams has not played as well as previous years and is now very long in the tooth......Star has not played well but this does happen when you bring in free agents.....some of them just dont produce the way the fans want them to. If Horrible Harry overtakes him in the rotation then thats ok with me. I think we will be drafting or bringing in more DL help next year.....also....with the exception of maybe a couple of plays today we are not getting an edge rush.......without an edge rush QBs dont have to step up in the pocket...this hurts your DT pass rush. 11 minutes ago, MAJBobby said: Why does the Bills have the third oldest Roster in NFL? I really dont make a big deal of this as long as they are performing....they are not performing.....I think we will get younger as we go along....some of these signings like Vonte really hurt that metric. 11 minutes ago, MAJBobby said: , Coleman, Phillips? taking shots at high ceiling talent that has not panned out? Do we really fault the mgt for that? 11 minutes ago, MAJBobby said: Why is Trent Murphy signed (though this isnt that bad of a contract)? Like star...it is early in the season to make a final determination on this 11 minutes ago, MAJBobby said: Why are aging players that are not part of the future dealt? Just like Beane said in year 1 (where we made the playoffs) "winning now and winning in the future" but we are 0-2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted September 16, 2018 Share Posted September 16, 2018 1 minute ago, Rico said: As always, the bottom line is what matters... and the bottom line once again is that Whaley and his team made ZERO decisions about anything after McD was hired. Like I said, it is what it is. So then he owns Passing on what look to be two Franchise QBs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted September 16, 2018 Share Posted September 16, 2018 2 minutes ago, pop gun said: So get rid of all the talented players and going into rebuild mode in the name of process is better than making heady moves and improving on 9-7? Really! If they dont fit the vision then yes.....we dont have 90 million in cap space next year if we dont do that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted September 16, 2018 Share Posted September 16, 2018 (edited) 1 minute ago, John from Riverside said: To be a run stopper beside a gap penatrator like he was with the Panthers.....lets call a spade a spade here....Kyle Williams has not played as well as previous years and is now very long in the tooth......Star has not played well but this does happen when you bring in free agents.....some of them just dont produce the way the fans want them to. If Horrible Harry overtakes him in the rotation then thats ok with me. I think we will be drafting or bringing in more DL help next year.....also....with the exception of maybe a couple of plays today we are not getting an edge rush.......without an edge rush QBs dont have to step up in the pocket...this hurts your DT pass rush. I really dont make a big deal of this as long as they are performing....they are not performing.....I think we will get younger as we go along....some of these signings like Vonte really hurt that metric. taking shots at high ceiling talent that has not panned out? Do we really fault the mgt for that? Like star...it is early in the season to make a final determination on this Just like Beane said in year 1 (where we made the playoffs) "winning now and winning in the future" but we are 0-2 Wait so now it is “winning now and winning in the future”. You just said it was CLEARLY rebuilding. So in that case NOT one of the answers make sense. So if it was winning now and in the future why wasnt OL addressed? why was TT traded? Why wasnt Gaines re-signed? Edited September 16, 2018 by MAJBobby Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted September 16, 2018 Share Posted September 16, 2018 2 minutes ago, MAJBobby said: So then he owns Passing on what look to be two Franchise QBs Lol you’re including foster? Bold move cotton Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rico Posted September 16, 2018 Share Posted September 16, 2018 Just now, MAJBobby said: So then he owns Passing on what look to be two Franchise QBs It was absolutely his decision not to draft either one, so yes, the bottom line is that he owns it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted September 16, 2018 Share Posted September 16, 2018 1 minute ago, MAJBobby said: Wait so not is it winning now and winning in the future. You just said it was CLEARLY rebuilding. So in that case NOT one of the answers make sense soft rebiuld Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted September 16, 2018 Share Posted September 16, 2018 (edited) 3 minutes ago, John from Riverside said: soft rebiuld So now it is a Soft rebuild. So a CoTP memeber just came out with three different plans. So the reality is the Process is really no plan and shooting from the hip and spinning Propaganda? And Buzz Words 3 minutes ago, Rico said: It was absolutely his decision not to draft either one, so yes, the bottom line is that he owns it. So if Allen Fails should he get another shot One? Edited September 16, 2018 by MAJBobby Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted September 16, 2018 Share Posted September 16, 2018 Just now, MAJBobby said: So now it is a Soft rebuild. So a CoTP memeber just came out with three different plans. So the reality is the Process is really no plan and shooting from the hip and spinning Propaganda? Amd Buzz Words What exactly is CoTP..... Your getting kinda hostile here sir....deep breaths Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted September 16, 2018 Share Posted September 16, 2018 (edited) Just now, John from Riverside said: What exactly is CoTP..... Your getting kinda hostile here sir....deep breaths Church of The Process so it is hostil asking hard questions? Edited September 16, 2018 by MAJBobby Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan714 Posted September 16, 2018 Share Posted September 16, 2018 I could be wrong but I dont think Star has a tackle as in one, this season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
White Linen Posted September 16, 2018 Share Posted September 16, 2018 Just now, MAJBobby said: Church of The Process Careful boo boo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VW82 Posted September 17, 2018 Share Posted September 17, 2018 (edited) 23 minutes ago, pop gun said: Went 9-7, 7-9, 8-8, 9-7 the last 4 years. Why a complete gut job and total rebuild? IMO it didn't have to be. Reminds me a lot of Darcy Regier and Tim Murrays total incompetence and failures as Sabres GMs. Tried to answer this in a different thread, and I'll try again here. Basically there were three main issues with the Whaley era Bills: 1. we were talent collectors, not team builders; 2. We paid the wrong guys and our cap situation was F'd, so there was always going to be a hard ceiling as a pseudo playoff contender; 3. The real leaders of the team (Kyle, EWood, Lorenzo, Shady) were all getting old and on their way out so we needed to find new ones to rebuild around. When McD took over, his first priority was to get value for guys who were in line to get paid or had already been paid but weren't the team leaders you need from your big money guys. So Darius, Sammy, Woods, etc., all got sent packing. Same with guys like Ragland who didn't fit their system. Letting some of those guys go looks tough in hindsight (i.e. Woods) but this was all done in an effort to create enough draft capital and room to go out and get our new captains to establish the culture McD wants in the locker room. Enter Allen and Edmunds. You can rag on the extent of the exodus, or the laughable reliance on Carolina retreads, or using so much draft capital on two guys, or even the guys themselves, but the rebuild needed to happen. If Allen and Edmunds prove to be the leaders McD thinks they are, then it'll be worth it. Edited September 17, 2018 by VW82 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skins Malone Posted September 17, 2018 Share Posted September 17, 2018 The issue i have right now is that none of the offseason additions have done anything. I get that you cant get everyone you want..but the additions have done nothing. I like Josh Allen. Still need to see more. But if u get a QB everything gets easier. The truth is next year this team needs to make a huge leap forward...there will be no more excuses. According to you they have a QB.. they will have 90 million in cap space..and most likely a very high pick. No excuses next year Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted September 17, 2018 Share Posted September 17, 2018 Just now, billsfan714 said: I could be wrong but I dont think Star has a tackle as in one, this season. Nope 100% Correct. Elite huh? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted September 17, 2018 Share Posted September 17, 2018 If you're going to throw away a season and get rid of all of the previous regime's guys, and totally rebuild with your kind of players and get rid of all the bad contracts and plan for the future why don't you do that all in year one and not year two? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted September 17, 2018 Share Posted September 17, 2018 1 minute ago, White Linen said: Careful boo boo Done with you. Cant even answer some questions. No respect. At least John takes the stabs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted September 17, 2018 Share Posted September 17, 2018 1 minute ago, MAJBobby said: Church of The Process so it is hostil asking hard questions? I never said that I was all in on the process (did I say that?) I think they have a plan.....right now the plan is not going so well and maybe the plan is even to make those 10 draft picks high in the rounds...... You also have to wonder if they thought last year they were gonna make the playoffs.....sometimes I do wonder that. If we dont go 9-7 we dont have to give up those 2nd, 3rd picks....and Cordy Glenn to get into the franchise QB position Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
White Linen Posted September 17, 2018 Share Posted September 17, 2018 Look who doesn't live in Fort Hood anymore? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted September 17, 2018 Share Posted September 17, 2018 Just now, Kelly the Dog said: If you're going to throw away a season and get rid of all of the previous regime's guys, and totally rebuild with your kind of players and get rid of all the bad contracts and plan for the future why don't you do that all in year one and not year two? Because then it was this winning now and in the future stuff that only turned into a development tear when McBeane’s defense was SMOKED week 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted September 17, 2018 Share Posted September 17, 2018 Just now, MAJBobby said: Because then it was this winning now and in the future stuff that only turned into a development tear when McBeane’s defense was SMOKED week 1 If they really thought we were winning now by starting Peterman with that line and those receivers we are screwed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foxx Posted September 17, 2018 Share Posted September 17, 2018 whoa.... emotions are in high gear in this thread. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1billsfan Posted September 17, 2018 Share Posted September 17, 2018 Building a dominant NFL franchise takes time. I believe that the foundation is in place with the GM, head coach and the franchise QB "in training" Josh Allen. This is what the very beginning of building a real contending NFL team looks like. It's going to look very awkward a lot. I don't understand the rush to be great right now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
White Linen Posted September 17, 2018 Share Posted September 17, 2018 2 minutes ago, Kelly the Dog said: If you're going to throw away a season and get rid of all of the previous regime's guys, and totally rebuild with your kind of players and get rid of all the bad contracts and plan for the future why don't you do that all in year one and not year two? I think that's what John is referring to. I think he's suggesting that going 9-7 may have been as much a surprise to them as everyone else. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted September 17, 2018 Share Posted September 17, 2018 (edited) 5 minutes ago, John from Riverside said: I never said that I was all in on the process (did I say that?) I think they have a plan.....right now the plan is not going so well and maybe the plan is even to make those 10 draft picks high in the rounds...... You also have to wonder if they thought last year they were gonna make the playoffs.....sometimes I do wonder that. If we dont go 9-7 we dont have to give up those 2nd, 3rd picks....and Cordy Glenn to get into the franchise QB position Thats my point. It isnt a plan. If they wanted to get all their guys and blah blah build or whatever shady should have been dealt last year. Wood dealt last year Looney Toons dealt last year Hughes dealt last year. Not kick the pain down the road. They should have tore the bandaid all at once. Cleveland did it now look at their Talent they have 2 minutes ago, 1billsfan said: Building a dominant NFL franchise takes time. I believe that the foundation is in place with the GM, head coach and the franchise QB "in training" Josh Allen. This is what the very beginning of building a real contending NFL team looks like. It's going to look very awkward a lot. I don't understand the rush to be great right now. Then Why was McCoy not dealt last year (will be retired before we are good) Hughes (same) Kyle (Same) Eric (is retired) Looney Toon ( is retired) Edited September 17, 2018 by MAJBobby Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stony Posted September 17, 2018 Share Posted September 17, 2018 5 minutes ago, Kelly the Dog said: If you're going to throw away a season and get rid of all of the previous regime's guys, and totally rebuild with your kind of players and get rid of all the bad contracts and plan for the future why don't you do that all in year one and not year two? They kept TT. They underestimated him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rico Posted September 17, 2018 Share Posted September 17, 2018 2 minutes ago, MAJBobby said: So now it is a Soft rebuild. So a CoTP memeber just came out with three different plans. So the reality is the Process is really no plan and shooting from the hip and spinning Propaganda? And Buzz Words So if Allen Fails should he get another shot One? Him or Beane? Or both? I've been on record since the day were hired that if they can't get the job done, they need to get the !@#$ out of town. 3 years is more than fair, and I think they bought a little more time than that by breaking the drought. That can all change if things turn into a complete and total disaster, but I'm not close to making that call after only 2 games. The one thing that is crystal clear though is the failures here before them had to get thrown into the trash, of that there can be no doubt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
White Linen Posted September 17, 2018 Share Posted September 17, 2018 1 minute ago, MAJBobby said: Thats my point. It isnt a plan. If theh wanted to get all their guys and blah blah build or whatever shady should have been dealt last year. Wood dealt last year Looney Toons dealt last year Hughes dealt last year. Not kick the pain down the road. At this point, I don't think anyone can keep track with what you're mad about. It's just everything and anything. I agree with other posters that deep breathe's are your friend right now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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