SouthNYfan Posted September 16, 2018 Share Posted September 16, 2018 1 minute ago, Boyst62 said: @YoloinOhio. Lil help? I messaged you and someone else I won't throw out there a week ish ago. Yeah, I'd like to see confirmation that you said VONTAE DAVIS WAS GOING TO RETIRE AT HALFTIME OF THE CHARGERS GAME. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cheektowaga Chad Posted September 16, 2018 Share Posted September 16, 2018 (edited) Wouldnt he go on a retired/active player and not count against the cap? He will get paid but shouldnt count against the cap Edited September 16, 2018 by Cheektowaga Chad Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted September 16, 2018 Share Posted September 16, 2018 3 minutes ago, Ittakestime said: Sorry, I'm too busying blocking out the haters to hear what you are trying to spew. Good for you. Have another cookie, you special guy. 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boyst Posted September 16, 2018 Share Posted September 16, 2018 Just now, SouthNYfan said: Yeah, I'd like to see confirmation that you said VONTAE DAVIS WAS GOING TO RETIRE AT HALFTIME OF THE CHARGERS GAME. Boyst62 1,226 Started conversation: September 9 heard vontae might be on his way off the team; lack of ability, lack of desire, lack of fire. he is too far gone is the read i got. bills looking around for other options to get a cb for depth/options ...... That's what I told him. And later used the words anquan boldin of 2018.... 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B Fan in LA Posted September 16, 2018 Share Posted September 16, 2018 Pretty strange....................but when you gotta go..............you gotta GO GO GO ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SouthNYfan Posted September 16, 2018 Share Posted September 16, 2018 1 minute ago, Boyst62 said: Boyst62 1,226 Started conversation: September 9 heard vontae might be on his way off the team; lack of ability, lack of desire, lack of fire. he is too far gone is the read i got. bills looking around for other options to get a cb for depth/options ...... That's what I told him. And later used the words anquan boldin of 2018.... Not the same as "he's going to just mid drop and retire AT HALFTIME OF THE CHARGERS GAME" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billsfanatic8989 Posted September 16, 2018 Share Posted September 16, 2018 Anybody want to try and defend this guy? That's inexcusable. It's disrespectful to your fans, organization, and even the league as a whole. He won't find another job. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter Posted September 16, 2018 Share Posted September 16, 2018 5 minutes ago, Rico said: That's worse than Ruben Brown, !@#$ him. ??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cripple Creek Posted September 16, 2018 Share Posted September 16, 2018 28 minutes ago, DC Tom said: Retired? In the middle of a game? I've gotta say...I came into the season with the expectation that this team would be laughable. Literally, so bad they'd be comedic. So I'm not exactly disappointed. But this? This is more hilarious than I ever could have anticipated. I think he's under the couch, just a simple misunderstanding. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buftex Posted September 16, 2018 Share Posted September 16, 2018 56 minutes ago, McNubbins said: Unreal. Anquan last year and now Vontae. At least Boldin didn't do it in the middle of a game... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted September 16, 2018 Share Posted September 16, 2018 Just now, Cheektowaga Chad said: Wouldnt he go on a retired/active plater and not count against the cap? He will get paid but shouldnt count against the cap I finally found how it works: retiring mid-season works the same as being cut mid-season, for cap purposes. The difference is that, if a player retires the team can go to arbitration to request the remaining cap hit be "refunded" - pro-rated salary and signing bonus, roster and workout bonus remain with the player, I believe. So Davis would still have a $4M cap hit being retired...but the Bills could claim relief for 7/8 or 29/32 (not sure if you can request a half-game refund) of his signing bonus plus guaranteed salary - call it three and a quarter million. Can't see the Bills losing that arbitration against a guy that walks out mid-game...so ultimately, his cap hit becomes just shy of a million. 2 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boyst Posted September 16, 2018 Share Posted September 16, 2018 1 minute ago, SouthNYfan said: Not the same as "he's going to just mid drop and retire AT HALFTIME OF THE CHARGERS GAME" But I did say retire within a few weeks. I got nothing to prove to you. What's your point anyway? Just trying to be a jerk or nothing else better to do? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Frankish Reich Posted September 16, 2018 Share Posted September 16, 2018 47 minutes ago, BillsEnthusiast said: Who's robinson again? Also Richie is a special case. He certainly is. I like how absolutely nobody (including Richie) even bothers to mention the stated reason for his sudden retirement: serious kidney and liver deterioration. It's almost as if that was a lie or something. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColoradoBills Posted September 16, 2018 Share Posted September 16, 2018 6 minutes ago, DC Tom said: That's not right. His signing bonus, roster bonus, and workout bonus are paid out. His salary is guaranteed...but I can't find out if that guarantee holds if a player retires 1.5 games in to the season. And even if it does, that doesn't add up to all $5M. More like $4M and change. 1 million was in incentives. That's why the Dead Cap is 4 million. I looked around for a precedent in "retiring" mid season but can't find one. I'm pretty sure the Bills on stuck with 4 million in Dead Cap. There may be a way through arbitration to get more back but I don't think so. That "arbitration" thing is usually used to get back future signing bonus money owed. If Bills take the 4 million hit they are the ALL-TIME DEAD MONEY CHAMPIONS. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted September 16, 2018 Share Posted September 16, 2018 1 minute ago, DC Tom said: I finally found how it works: retiring mid-season works the same as being cut mid-season, for cap purposes. The difference is that, if a player retires the team can go to arbitration to request the remaining cap hit be "refunded" - pro-rated salary and signing bonus, roster and workout bonus remain with the player, I believe. So Davis would still have a $4M cap hit being retired...but the Bills could claim relief for 7/8 or 29/32 (not sure if you can request a half-game refund) of his signing bonus plus guaranteed salary - call it three and a quarter million. Can't see the Bills losing that arbitration against a guy that walks out mid-game...so ultimately, his cap hit becomes just shy of a million. I thought that relief comes next season. Because arbitration will take awhile anyway Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Red King Posted September 16, 2018 Share Posted September 16, 2018 1 minute ago, The Frankish Reich said: He certainly is. I like how absolutely nobody (including Richie) even bothers to mention the stated reason for his sudden retirement: serious kidney and liver deterioration. It's almost as if that was a lie or something. I mentioned that several times last week, actually. Because lying about medical issues to get out of contracts is A-OK. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackOrton Posted September 16, 2018 Share Posted September 16, 2018 2 minutes ago, Boyst62 said: But I did say retire within a few weeks. I got nothing to prove to you. What's your point anyway? Just trying to be a jerk or nothing else better to do? PM me the story jb. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rpmfla Posted September 16, 2018 Share Posted September 16, 2018 So without Vontae the Bills become the 9th oldest team instead of the 7th? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HalftimeAdjustment Posted September 16, 2018 Share Posted September 16, 2018 Look we are destined for the dead cap championship. Which means we have the lowest spending on actual players in the league right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter Posted September 16, 2018 Share Posted September 16, 2018 Just now, rpmfla said: So without Vontae the Bills become the 9th oldest team instead of the 7th? It is part of the process. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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