26CornerBlitz Posted September 13, 2018 Share Posted September 13, 2018 (edited) How the Bills Went From Surprise Playoff Team to Nathan Peterman Performance Art By Rodger Sherman Sep 13, 2018, 1:01pm EDT Buffalo’s front office entered this offseason with a plan. It’s just not entirely clear what that plan was. It’s sad to see the Bills’ playoff squad has turned into a football abomination. But my hope is that this change is part of a boldly pragmatic assessment of the roster focused on football and not feelings, and that it will set up Buffalo up for long-term success. Unfortunately, this team is run by people who have repeatedly given Nathan Peterman the opportunity to start professional football games. Why should we trust them? Edited September 13, 2018 by 26CornerBlitz 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloRush Posted September 13, 2018 Share Posted September 13, 2018 No idea why Coach McDermott gave Peterman that second start Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldmanfan Posted September 13, 2018 Share Posted September 13, 2018 So in the article he says a couple really stupid things. One glaring one is that he said drafting a QB and MLB to lead your offense and defense is not preparing for the future. On the contrary, it is precisely what you do when preparing for the future. It is exactly what you do. And of course he calls Allen and abject failure with no data to back it up. Just another blowhard. 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted September 13, 2018 Author Share Posted September 13, 2018 Just now, oldmanfan said: So in the article he says a couple really stupid things. One glaring one is that he said drafting a QB and MLB to lead your offense and defense is not preparing for the future. On the contrary, it is precisely what you do when preparing for the future. It is exactly what you do. And of course he calls Allen and abject failure with no data to back it up. Just another blowhard. Why is it that you seem to be upset by any criticism of the Bills whether it be from fans or media? 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foxx Posted September 13, 2018 Share Posted September 13, 2018 13 minutes ago, BuffaloRush said: No idea why Coach McDermott gave Peterman that second start to give Sully more ammunition? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skins Malone Posted September 13, 2018 Share Posted September 13, 2018 And why is Allen a failure? The only thing i agree on is it does look bad starting Peterman who has looked absolutely terrible from an outsiders perspective. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoTier Posted September 13, 2018 Share Posted September 13, 2018 Sherman pretty much said most of the same things I've been saying since the end of last season. BTW, do they even have a practice squad player who can impersonate a QB if Allen or Peterman gets hurt? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted September 13, 2018 Author Share Posted September 13, 2018 Just now, Skins Malone said: And why is Allen a failure? The only thing i agree on is it does look bad starting Peterman who has looked absolutely terrible from an outsiders perspective. It's far too soon to say anything about what he is or is not with any conviction. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldmanfan Posted September 13, 2018 Share Posted September 13, 2018 2 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said: Why is it that you seem to be upset by any criticism of the Bills whether it be from fans or media? Why is it you think that? I was very critical myself after the abomination last week, and said here several times they deserve whatever criticism they get. I do read carefully though, and am willing to challenge stuff that is just dumb. As to this article, to say that drafting a potential long term QB and long term leader for your D is not preparing for the future is just idiotic. How many times have we read here and elsewhere that until you have a QB you have nothing? And I'd say the same for the defensive side, especially with McD's defensive scheme. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Barbarian Posted September 13, 2018 Share Posted September 13, 2018 Don't worry roji , you will. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skins Malone Posted September 13, 2018 Share Posted September 13, 2018 3 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said: It's far too soon to say anything about what he is or is not with any conviction. Agreed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoTier Posted September 13, 2018 Share Posted September 13, 2018 5 minutes ago, oldmanfan said: So in the article he says a couple really stupid things. One glaring one is that he said drafting a QB and MLB to lead your offense and defense is not preparing for the future. On the contrary, it is precisely what you do when preparing for the future. It is exactly what you do. And of course he calls Allen and abject failure with no data to back it up. Just another blowhard. You might try reading the article again, only this time for comprehension, not just to find ammunition to blast "the media". Sherman criticized using so many picks to get only a QB and a MLB when there were so many holes that needed to be addressed and weren't. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foxx Posted September 13, 2018 Share Posted September 13, 2018 (edited) 13 minutes ago, oldmanfan said: So in the article he says a couple really stupid things. One glaring one is that he said drafting a QB and MLB to lead your offense and defense is not preparing for the future. On the contrary, it is precisely what you do when preparing for the future. It is exactly what you do. And of course he calls Allen and abject failure with no data to back it up. Just another blowhard. 6 minutes ago, oldmanfan said: Why is it you think that? I was very critical myself after the abomination last week, and said here several times they deserve whatever criticism they get. I do read carefully though, and am willing to challenge stuff that is just dumb. As to this article, to say that drafting a potential long term QB and long term leader for your D is not preparing for the future is just idiotic. How many times have we read here and elsewhere that until you have a QB you have nothing? And I'd say the same for the defensive side, especially with McD's defensive scheme. to be fair, i think you must take the entire context of that statement. if you do so, i believe he was alluding to the fact that they traded up three times to get Allen and Edmunds which cost them precious draft capital to do. i believe his point was that teams building for the future would have taken the BPA and saved those picks to fill other obvious holes. again just my take. Edited September 13, 2018 by Foxx 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foreigner Posted September 13, 2018 Share Posted September 13, 2018 I believe what he was trying to say was without a OL and WRs your QB really does not matter. In otherwords which comes first; the egg or the chicken or another way is putting the horse before the cart. Com on guys. This team as constructed, it makes no difference who the QB is. 4-12 or 1-15 a difference? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoBills808 Posted September 13, 2018 Share Posted September 13, 2018 I disagree wholeheartedly with this line: ... In this year’s draft, the front office traded up three times: twice to get Allen (at a huge disadvantage in terms of draft pick value) and once to get linebacker Tremaine Edmunds. Those aren’t moves made by a team looking to build for the future. If trading up for a raw small school QB with huge upside and a barely-20 years old freaky athletic defensive-centerpiece-for-the-next-decade type MLB aren't 'moves made by a team looking to build for the future'...I dunno what those moves are supposed to be then. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Vader Posted September 13, 2018 Share Posted September 13, 2018 (edited) 16 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said: Why is it that you seem to be upset by any criticism of the Bills whether it be from fans or media? All I can say is, what does this guy(Rodger Sherman) want? How is drafting Josh Allen & Tremaine Edmunds not building for the future? Quarterback & Linebacker were our biggest needs, and we addressed that in the first round! What should we have done instead?! Drafted a Cornerback & a Tight End? Also he needs to get his facts straight. Jeremy Kerley was with the 49'ers last year. Edited September 13, 2018 by Mark Vader 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted September 13, 2018 Author Share Posted September 13, 2018 (edited) 6 hours ago, SoTier said: You might try reading the article again, only this time for comprehension, not just to find ammunition to blast "the media". Sherman criticized using so many picks to get only a QB and a MLB when there were so many holes that needed to be addressed and weren't. 6 hours ago, Foxx said: to be fair, i think you must take the entire context of that statement. if you do so, i believe he was alluding to the fact that they traded up three times to get Allen and Edmunds which cost them recious draft capital to do. i believe his point was that teams building for the future would have taken the BPA and saved those picks to fill other obvious holes. again just my take. Edmunds looks promising, but with the the draft capital expended to acquire him he has to be a long term great MLB on the level of Luke Kuechly. Edited September 14, 2018 by 26CornerBlitz 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldmanfan Posted September 13, 2018 Share Posted September 13, 2018 Just now, SoTier said: You might try reading the article again, only this time for comprehension, not just to find ammunition to blast "the media". Sherman criticized using so many picks to get only a QB and a MLB when there were so many holes that needed to be addressed and weren't. I read it. And it is precisely that idea that I find ridiculous. How many times have he heard throughout the league that the QB position is the most important one by far in terms of having a successful team. They did what they had to do to get their guy, to prepare for the future. and then got a young, freakish athlete to stabilize their D around for the future. That almost by definition is building for the future. You may want to focus more of your attention on how Terry wants his team to fail just so a billionaire can make more money. That's your favorite as I recall. 3 minutes ago, Foxx said: to be fair, i think you must take the entire context of that statement. if you do so, i believe he was alluding to the fact that they traded up three times to get Allen and Edmunds which cost them precious draft capital to do. i believe his point was that teams building for the future would have taken the BPA and saved those picks to fill other obvious holes. again just my take. I get that. And they did so to get two hopefully mainstays of their team for years to come. Years to come. That's sort of like saying the future. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted September 13, 2018 Author Share Posted September 13, 2018 1 minute ago, Mark Vader said: All I can say is, what does this guy(Rodger Sherman) want? How is drafting Josh Allen & Tremaine Edmunds not building for the future? Quarterback & Linebacker were are biggest needs, and we addressed that in the first round! What should we have done instead?! Drafted a Cornerback & a Tight End? Also he needs to get his facts straight. Jeremy Kerley was with the 49'ers last year. I don't worry about smaller details like what team Jeremy Kerley played for last season. Again Edmunds better be damned special. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foxx Posted September 13, 2018 Share Posted September 13, 2018 (edited) 3 minutes ago, oldmanfan said: ... I get that. And they did so to get two hopefully mainstays of their team for years to come. Years to come. That's sort of like saying the future. and to be fair to you, Indy. he does seem to contradict himself in the very next paragraph where he states: Quote ... They made the tough but wise decision to focus on building for the future instead of settling for players who did something that felt meaningful. Yet the way they’ve carried out that decision has been baffling. ... Edited September 13, 2018 by Foxx 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldmanfan Posted September 13, 2018 Share Posted September 13, 2018 3 minutes ago, Foreigner said: I believe what he was trying to say was without a OL and WRs your QB really does not matter. In otherwords which comes first; the egg or the chicken or another way is putting the horse before the cart. Com on guys. This team as constructed, it makes no difference who the QB is. 4-12 or 1-15 a difference? They use Goff as an example I think. Well that's pretty much what the Rams did. Kid took his lumps year 1, they added a lot of stuff around him year 2. And then things took off. Next year we have 10 picks and 70 some million to spend. Now, it is on the management to use those wisely. But very similar approaches. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LSHMEAB Posted September 13, 2018 Share Posted September 13, 2018 14 minutes ago, SoTier said: Sherman pretty much said most of the same things I've been saying since the end of last season. BTW, do they even have a practice squad player who can impersonate a QB if Allen or Peterman gets hurt? Logan Thomas? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foxx Posted September 13, 2018 Share Posted September 13, 2018 further, it seems his overall take is based upon the decisions regarding Peterman, of which he is none to thrilled with. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldmanfan Posted September 13, 2018 Share Posted September 13, 2018 1 minute ago, Foxx said: and to be fair to you, Indy. he does seem to contradict himself in the very next paragraph where he states: I am particularly critical of the media a t times, so 26 may be right. Maybe it's because I remember guys like Felser and Deford on a national level. Guys that could actually do cogent analyses and commentary. Now it's just I have to write something to fill my 24 hour space, so writing tends to be poorer. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted September 13, 2018 Share Posted September 13, 2018 Who and from where? I swear, there must be a million sports sites out there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Vader Posted September 13, 2018 Share Posted September 13, 2018 2 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said: I don't worry about smaller details like what team Jeremy Kerley played for last season. Again Edmunds better be damned special. Yes, I'm being snooty, but I still don't get what this guy wants. Yes, we gave up draft picks to move up to get top-notch players in the draft. It was a sacrifice, and I hated to say good bye to those extra picks, but I loved what we got in return. They got one of the top rated Quarterbacks in this year's draft and the second rated Linebacker in this year's class. I consider that an accomplishment. We could have stayed where we were and drafted Lamar Jackson. Maybe that would have made Sherman happy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoBills808 Posted September 13, 2018 Share Posted September 13, 2018 1 minute ago, Foxx said: further, it seems his overall take is based upon the decisions regarding Peterman, of which he is none to thrilled with. The Peterman thing, when it's all said and done, is just going to be a footnote when the book is written on this iteration of the Bills FO. Folks want to use it as some bellwether for McD/Beane because it's funny and sensational how historically bad he was, but in the scope of things past and future it's not a big deal at all IMO. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foxx Posted September 13, 2018 Share Posted September 13, 2018 2 minutes ago, GoBills808 said: The Peterman thing, when it's all said and done, is just going to be a footnote when the book is written on this iteration of the Bills FO. Folks want to use it as some bellwether for McD/Beane because it's funny and sensational how historically bad he was, but in the scope of things past and future it's not a big deal at all IMO. well, it does have some merit. because Peterman was/(is?) historically bad, calling into question the ability to make other estimations is valid to a certain extent. the only way past that is to show that judgments made in other areas are indeed sound. time will surely tell the tale but for now, i don't think it is something that was dragged in out of left field. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobChalmers Posted September 13, 2018 Share Posted September 13, 2018 (edited) 44 minutes ago, BuffaloRush said: No idea why Coach McDermott gave Peterman that second start Well, it led to a critical win against the Colts, so it was good that he did. 31 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said: Why is it that you seem to be upset by any criticism of the Bills whether it be from fans or media? I'm upset by the stupid/ignorant criticisms of anyone or anything. Edited September 13, 2018 by BobChalmers 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoBills808 Posted September 13, 2018 Share Posted September 13, 2018 Just now, Foxx said: well, it does have some merit. because Peterman was/(is?) historically bad, calling into question the ability to make other estimations is valid to a certain extent. the only way past that is to show that judgments made in other areas are indeed sound. time will surely tell the tale but for now, i don't think it is something that was dragged in out of left field. I give more weight to the results, and thus far this staff/FO has the Bills at .500 w/ a playoff appearance. That's enough right now to get the benefit of the doubt from me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted September 13, 2018 Author Share Posted September 13, 2018 6 minutes ago, Mark Vader said: Yes, I'm being snooty, but I still don't get what this guy wants. Yes, we gave up draft picks to move up to get top-notch players in the draft. It was a sacrifice, and I hated to say good bye to those extra picks, but I loved what we got in return. They got one of the top rated Quarterbacks in this year's draft and the second rated Linebacker in this year's class. I consider that an accomplishment. We could have stayed where we were and drafted Lamar Jackson. Maybe that would have made Sherman happy. His main point of contention from my vantage point is the head scratching opportunities provided to Peterman and the poor surrounding cast Allen has to work with. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeterDude Posted September 13, 2018 Share Posted September 13, 2018 43 minutes ago, BuffaloRush said: No idea why Coach McDermott gave Peterman that second start I have my theory, but people get offended when I share it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foreigner Posted September 13, 2018 Share Posted September 13, 2018 Goff had a new HC year 2. Did you forget that? He also had Watkins and Woods to through to. Who do we have that everyone is so happy about, Ra Ra or Ray Ray. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldmanfan Posted September 13, 2018 Share Posted September 13, 2018 1 minute ago, 26CornerBlitz said: His main point of contention from my vantage point is the head scratching opportunities provided to Peterman and the poor surrounding cast Allen has to work with. I don't know what the deal was with Peterman. Showed well in pratice, offseason, preseason. But just horrid in the actual games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeterDude Posted September 13, 2018 Share Posted September 13, 2018 34 minutes ago, oldmanfan said: So in the article he says a couple really stupid things. One glaring one is that he said drafting a QB and MLB to lead your offense and defense is not preparing for the future. On the contrary, it is precisely what you do when preparing for the future. It is exactly what you do. And of course he calls Allen and abject failure with no data to back it up. Just another blowhard. He said trading up multiple times to do that is not building for the future, and he's correct. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foxx Posted September 13, 2018 Share Posted September 13, 2018 (edited) 5 minutes ago, GoBills808 said: I give more weight to the results, and thus far this staff/FO has the Bills at .500 w/ a playoff appearance. That's enough right now to get the benefit of the doubt from me. i agree, it is the end result that matters most. however, all data should get thrown into the hopper to be ground out for evaluation. being that at this point, knowing what the end result will ultimately be, is unknown at best. we can only make guesstimations based upon all currently available input. Edited September 13, 2018 by Foxx Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldmanfan Posted September 13, 2018 Share Posted September 13, 2018 2 minutes ago, PeterDude said: He said trading up multiple times to do that is not building for the future, and he's correct. Not if you're doing so to get a QB and leader of a defense for year to come. And I say that as a guy who thinks you have to have solid line play in the NFL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
baskingridgebillsfan Posted September 13, 2018 Share Posted September 13, 2018 they dynamic duo did not have a great off season to say the least . Let's see what happens moving forward Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FeelingOnYouboty Posted September 13, 2018 Share Posted September 13, 2018 God I hope Josh Allen is good from Day 1, great right after so I can laugh and laugh and laugh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
416BillsFan Posted September 13, 2018 Share Posted September 13, 2018 Props to the headline! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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