Johnnycage46 Posted September 12, 2018 Share Posted September 12, 2018 1 minute ago, ngbills said: McDermott said, when asked if he regretted starting Peterman against the Ravens. "I felt like that was the right move and I'll take that to my grave." Pretty dramatic statement by McD lol. I hope he isn't trying to tell us something... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mango Posted September 12, 2018 Share Posted September 12, 2018 52 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: Not necessarily. He had to have promised Daboll a certain degree of autonomy over the offense to get him to buy in and take the job. I thought from Daboll's post-game presser, reading between the lines, he'd seen what he needed to see from Allen and wanted to go forward with him. It could have been a combo of Daboll, Beane, and feedback from the team leadership council. To this point. I thought it was weird that when asked about the decision he only mentioned Beane, Terry, and Kim. Not Daboll. Why wouldn’t your OC be involved? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stosh64 Posted September 12, 2018 Share Posted September 12, 2018 19 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: Couldn't find - did she delete it? I couldn't find the tweet either, but at 7:10 into the press conference you can hear the reporter ask the question. https://www.wivb.com/top-stories/bills-make-qb-switch-turn-to-rookie-josh-allen/1436699639 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColoradoBills Posted September 12, 2018 Share Posted September 12, 2018 After watching the PC I get no sense that the decision was not McDermotts. I do not think this came from the owners. McDermott (along with Beane and the other coaches) had a plan and it failed in a pretty bad way. He looked and sounded almost embarrassed that the NP experiment failed (as well as he should be) and that the options are exhausted for Sunday. Personally I had hoped they could of held off a few more games before starting Josh Allen but............................ as a famous cliché says "No plan survives contact with the enemy". The people that need to learn from this is the Bills Management and I hope they do. After all that is what "adjustments" are for. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stony Posted September 12, 2018 Share Posted September 12, 2018 3 minutes ago, aceman_16 said: And who says that fans "need" to know? Who cares? The Bills owe nothing to any fan. If we don't like it, we don't support it. Also, as far as the media goes, ANYONE with two brain cells to rub together can figure out what his response is going to be after the 3rd time asking the same question. I care. McD seems like a thoughtful, articulate guy. Forgive me if I prefer to hear what went into the decision. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted September 12, 2018 Share Posted September 12, 2018 4 minutes ago, Mango said: To this point. I thought it was weird that when asked about the decision he only mentioned Beane, Terry, and Kim. Not Daboll. Why wouldn’t your OC be involved? I didn't hear the question he was responding to; it might depend upon how the question was phrased. If Daboll was not a key decision maker, it would indeed be weird. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aceman_16 Posted September 12, 2018 Share Posted September 12, 2018 Just now, stony said: I care. McD seems like a thoughtful, articulate guy. Forgive me if I prefer to hear what went into the decision. I understand you care... apparently the Bills' brass don't put much stock into your thoughts. My suggestions are 1 watch the games 2 look at roster 3 keep an open mind and 4 make you own conclusions. I am sure you will be pretty close to what the Bills think. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted September 12, 2018 Share Posted September 12, 2018 10 minutes ago, ngbills said: McDermott said, when asked if he regretted starting Peterman against the Ravens. "I felt like that was the right move and I'll take that to my grave." That would have been much sooner than later had he made that same decision again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted September 12, 2018 Share Posted September 12, 2018 He handled himself just as I expected him too. He wasn’t going to dog on nate Pete. The truthful answers to the questions would’ve been answered as such: “nate sucks” ”nate is a terrible QB. I didn’t have to watch the tape. We all can see that he’s a bum.” ”Josh isn’t ready, but nate is clearly the worst qb to ever play the position. How can I say that nate Pete is the starting QB with a straight face.” i just feel bad for Josh Allen. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cash Posted September 12, 2018 Share Posted September 12, 2018 1 hour ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: I had that thought too. He doesn't look like it's a decision that has him excited or enthused. He's swallowing his lips and using his phrase "comfortable with it" that he used before when it was code for something else. Good job stonewalling though. I don't recall this - could you jog my memory? 1 hour ago, Warcodered said: So what is the difference between being wrong and a decision not working out? 44 minutes ago, Kelly the Dog said: I don't think he is saying in retrospect it was the right move. I think he was saying at the time I thoroughly believed that Nate was the right choice and I am not going to start second guessing my heartfelt decisions as they happen. He was obviously saying that it was a bad choice by the some are right some are wrong statement. The real scary thought is that he honestly believed that starting Nate was the right decision at the time. We may be screwed. I get that Sean is a "utilize the positive language of success" guy, and I have no problem with that. It might seem silly, but little things add up in the long run, and I think saying things like, "throws he'd rather have back" instead of "bad throws" can be one of those little things that adds up. BUT! On this, and the decision to start Peterman last year, it drives me crazy how McDermott talks. No one is perfect - everyone makes bad decisions here and there. But to look back at a colossal failure of a decision, and say that you'd do it again without hesitation shows a lack of introspection that is very concerning. This isn't like, "I had an 80% chance to win pre-flop, but my opponent made a straight on the river - I'd make that same bet every time." This is more like, "I didn't realize that three of a kind beat two pair... maybe I should brush up on the rules of poker?" I get that a "good" decision can lead to a bad outcome. That's an important thing to understand. But sometimes the decision was actually bad, so you should look at how it led to the outcome, and see if there's anything you can improve upon next time. If McDermott is doing that, he's not letting on to the media. Caveat: there was that report that he "owned" the Tyrod benching last year, and it gained him a lot of respect with the players - depending on how he owned it, that might be a really good sign. I don't actually care what McDermott says to the media, but with most people, what they say publicly is very indicative of how they are privately. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeterDude Posted September 12, 2018 Share Posted September 12, 2018 (edited) 12 minutes ago, ngbills said: McDermott said, when asked if he regretted starting Peterman against the Ravens. "I felt like that was the right move and I'll take that to my grave." The whole taking stuff to his grave thing bothers me to. I mean, c'mon, that's used when someone is trying too hard to convince. I just don't like McDermott's style. Something about it just feels very wrong to me. I hate to say it but I liked Marrone's style better, even though he was a dinosaur as well. Edited September 12, 2018 by PeterDude Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mango Posted September 12, 2018 Share Posted September 12, 2018 2 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: I didn't hear the question he was responding to; it might depend upon how the question was phrased. If Daboll was not a key decision maker, it would indeed be weird. To paraphrase: Reporter: was this your decision to switch QB’s? McD: ultimately all decisions come down to me. As you know me and Brandon Beane talk a lot. Brandon and I discussed the decision and we report/stay in communication with Terry and Kim. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MILFHUNTER#518 Posted September 12, 2018 Share Posted September 12, 2018 1 hour ago, HansLanda said: Post of the day right here! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stony Posted September 12, 2018 Share Posted September 12, 2018 4 minutes ago, aceman_16 said: I understand you care... apparently the Bills' brass don't put much stock into your thoughts. My suggestions are 1 watch the games 2 look at roster 3 keep an open mind and 4 make you own conclusions. I am sure you will be pretty close to what the Bills think. Whoa, easy there Ace. I can't handle all this at once. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Figster Posted September 12, 2018 Share Posted September 12, 2018 1 minute ago, ngbills said: McDermott said, when asked if he regretted starting Peterman against the Ravens. "I felt like that was the right move and I'll take that to my grave." Being a bama fan, sending McCarron packing had extra sting in it for me. On the other hand the QB room became crowded because all 3 QB's deserve better then becoming 3rd in the pecking order based on play. McCarron became the odd man out and while I personally believe based on experience and regular season play it was not the right move, I also understand the situation. Josh Allen is now the face of the franchise. The New Era has officially begun... 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cash Posted September 12, 2018 Share Posted September 12, 2018 2 minutes ago, PeterDude said: The whole taking stuff to his grave thing bothers me to. I mean, c'mon, that's used when someone is trying too hard to convince. I just don't like McDermott's style. Something about it just feels very wrong to me. I hate to say it but I liked Marrone's style better, even though he was a dinosaur as well. I'd still take McDermott over Marrone. Once he described more than one job as his "dream job", I started seeing through his BS. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeterDude Posted September 12, 2018 Share Posted September 12, 2018 Just now, Cash said: I'd still take McDermott over Marrone. Once he described more than one job as his "dream job", I started seeing through his BS. I think Marrone + Beane would yield more wins than the combo we have now. But' I guess we'll never know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted September 12, 2018 Share Posted September 12, 2018 1 minute ago, Cash said: I don't recall this - could you jog my memory? You make a bunch of good points in your post. To zone in on your question about McDermott saying "comfortable with it": he said "comfortable with the situation" and "the Pegulas have made sure that I'm comfortable with the situation" several times during his introductory presser when he was asked about working with Doug Whaley as GM. Reviewing that in hindsight, he clearly did not mean "I'm comfortable working with Doug Whaley as GM", he meant "Doug Whaley's GM Ass is Grass and I bring in My Boi as soon as we're off the clock in the 7th round." I doubt it means the same thing in this context - McDermott and Beane are gonna ride or die with their choice to draft Allen at QB - but I don't think it means he's actually comfortable with the decision to turn from Peterman to Allen this week. I think it means he's accepted it's something he's gonna have to live with. 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aceman_16 Posted September 12, 2018 Share Posted September 12, 2018 Just now, stony said: Whoa, easy there Ace. I can't handle all this at once. Lol fair enough... I am sorry if it sounds like I am attacking you personally. I coached for a long time and it would drive me bonkers with the why why why questions when I KNEW the answer wasn't for information but rather for drama. Also, I watched the all 22 and there were open receivers often. However, the money players were apathetic af and that KILLS a team when that occurs. Anyhow, enjoy the day! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warcodered Posted September 12, 2018 Share Posted September 12, 2018 1 minute ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: You make a bunch of good points in your post. To zone in on your question about McDermott saying "comfortable with it": he said "comfortable with the situation" and "the Pegulas have made sure that I'm comfortable with the situation" several times during his introductory presser when he was asked about working with Doug Whaley as GM. Reviewing that in hindsight, he clearly did not mean "I'm comfortable working with Doug Whaley as GM", he meant "Doug Whaley's GM Ass is Grass and I bring in My Boi as soon as we're off the clock in the 7th round." I doubt it means the same thing in this context - McDermott and Beane are gonna ride or die with their choice to draft Allen at QB - but I don't think it means he's actually comfortable with the decision to turn from Peterman to Allen this week. I think it means he's accepted it's something he's gonna have to live with. He might really dislike the idea of having his rookie QB make his first start against the Chargers again. People can be superstitious that way. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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