Nanker Posted July 18, 2018 Share Posted July 18, 2018 On 7/17/2018 at 12:15 PM, oldmanfan said: Moving the topic away from the chief executive of our country saying in full view of the world that he does not accept the findings of his own intelligence team vs. a murderous dictator is disingenuous at best. WTH is wrong with you? This is from last year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snafu Posted July 18, 2018 Share Posted July 18, 2018 2 hours ago, PromoTheRobot said: First of all, why is what Trump said off limits here? He took the word of Vlad Putin over his own intelligence agencies. That's sort of a big deal, no? Especially after 12 Russian national were indicted for hacking the DNC and leaking information. And a young woman is arrested as an unauthorized agent peddling influence with organizations like the NRA. Which is why it's also weird he would take a private meeting, with no US officials attending except for a translator, with Putin, who the CIA, FBI and NSA said orchestrated the election interference campaign. But I get it. In Trumpyland all the news channels, newspapers, all the Democrats, half the Republicans, the FBI, CIA, NSA and even the Russian press, who described the summit as "Trump licking Putin's boots," are lying. Everyone is in on the deep state conspiracy. Poor Donald. By the way, Jimmy Kimmel happened to find some footage from Fox News 2 years ago after Obama's meeting with Vladdy P. Fair and balanced, indeed. You didn't answer my question. It's okay. You don't have to if you don't want to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted July 18, 2018 Author Share Posted July 18, 2018 (edited) 42 minutes ago, #34fan said: Yah... Implemented by the previous administration! -Or were you referring to the house sanction Bill Trump reluctantly signed? This is blisteringly ignorant: The last administration bent over backwards to make sure Russia's primary ally, Iran, got nuclear weapons and the Mullahs remained in power. The last administration allowed Putin to carve out a sphere of influence in the Middle East in the absence of US forces. The last administration allowed Putin to take Crimea without offering resistance (other than siding with actual Nazis to foment the coup that led to the Russian move). The last administration allowed Iranian proxies to carve out human trafficking and narcotic networks inside CONUS, strengthening a Russian ally. The last administration allowed Russia to take control of a large portion of the US Uranium market. The last administration literally offered Putin a rest button and apologized for past US actions. The last administration did nothing to stop Russian meddling in the election despite being made aware of it. You're not only wrong, you're stunningly wrong. 35 minutes ago, Tiberius said: No, she was advancing the interests of the RUSSIAN Federation, according to the indictment and the evidence provided. And HRC was going to attack Russia? Ok! The interests of the Russian Federation without Putin. Read closer. Look through WikiLeaks too. You'll see her name pop up in all sorts of fun places inside the neocon/neoliberal establishment promising the same. HRC's central campaign plank in regards to dealing with Syria was to issue a no-fly zone. This was a move she did as Secretary of State in Libya that led to the absolute destruction of that nation, the establishment of a modern day slave market, and kicked off the migrant crisis that's wrecked our European allies. She pushed this as her CENTRAL solution to the problems in Syria and was backed by the neocon and neoliberal establishment (who coincidentally LOVED her doing the same in Libya). The only way you could institute a no fly zone in Syria would be to take the Russian AA sites offline first. The only way that's going to happen is with American pilots bombing Russian troops. That's preemptively starting a war with the largest nuclear power on the planet. And it WAS HER MAIN STRATEGY. You're wrong. As usual. Edited July 18, 2018 by Deranged Rhino 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PromoTheRobot Posted July 18, 2018 Share Posted July 18, 2018 7 minutes ago, snafu said: You didn't answer my question. It's okay. You don't have to if you don't want to. I'm not going to play games. To insist I ignore what was said at a press conference is a neat little trick considering there is no doing, just speaking. If you look at everything Trump does through the lens of how it benefits Putin, it's hard not to suspect that something is n't right. Well, I guess it's not THAT hard, based on what I read here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted July 18, 2018 Share Posted July 18, 2018 the caption is Hillary yammering away and Trump saying "WRONG!!" every 3 seconds... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdnlng Posted July 18, 2018 Share Posted July 18, 2018 12 minutes ago, PromoTheRobot said: I'm not going to play games. To insist I ignore what was said at a press conference is a neat little trick considering there is no doing, just speaking. If you look at everything Trump does through the lens of how it benefits Putin, it's hard not to suspect that something is n't right. Well, I guess it's not THAT hard, based on what I read here. Is that an Obama quote? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GG Posted July 18, 2018 Share Posted July 18, 2018 54 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said: Recovery from the Great Recession and OBL dead and out to sea say This is what you're hanging your hat on? It's like praising a coach's decision to go for the conversion, down by 2 points and 1 second left in the 4th quarter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted July 18, 2018 Author Share Posted July 18, 2018 7 minutes ago, PromoTheRobot said: I'm not going to play games. To insist I ignore what was said at a press conference is a neat little trick considering there is no doing, just speaking. If you look at everything Trump does through the lens of how it benefits Putin, it's hard not to suspect that something is n't right. Well, I guess it's not THAT hard, based on what I read here. How does sanctioning the hell out of both of Russia's key strategic allies (North Korea and Iran) benefit Putin? How does arming the Ukrainians (which Obama wouldn't do) benefit Putin? How does goading NATO to pay MORE in defense against Russia, benefit Putin? How does goading Germany to get off the Russian oil teet benefit Putin? How does issuing the harshest individual sanctions in US history against Putin's cronies (that go well beyond what Congress wants) benefit Putin? How does issuing two missile strikes in Syria against Assad and Iranian targets benefit Putin? How did annihilating 300+ Russian soldiers in Syria simply for amassing benefit Putin? More on that last one... February 7, 2018, a Russian assault batallion of 550 men "attacked" a US FOB in Syria. Mattis called the Russians on the deconfliction line and told the Russians to call off their men. The Russians said they're not their men, "they're from the Wagner group and we have no control over them." This was a lie. The Wagner Group uses Russian regulars and smuggles them inside Syria. They're called Ghost Soldiers: https://www.reuters.com/article/us-mideast-crisis-syria-russia-insight/ghost-soldiers-the-russians-secretly-dying-for-the-kremlin-in-syria-idUSKBN12Y0M6 Mattis then had the green light to not just engage, but annihalte the Russian forces. Listen to this man: This wasn't just a little attack. It was a sustained attack using Apache gunships, USMC artillery, fixed wing bombers, AC-130 gunships, and B-52 stratofortress strategic bombers. The Russian unit suffered 100% casualties. Of the 550 engaged, 300 were killed and 250 were wounded. The men on the ground said "they kicked the **** out of us". Tell me, Promo. How does the annihilation of a Russian assault battalion benefit Putin? I'll wait... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bray Wyatt Posted July 18, 2018 Share Posted July 18, 2018 1 minute ago, Deranged Rhino said: How does sanctioning the hell out of both of Russia's key strategic allies (North Korea and Iran) benefit Putin? How does arming the Ukrainians (which Obama wouldn't do) benefit Putin? How does goading NATO to pay MORE in defense against Russia, benefit Putin? How does goading Germany to get off the Russian oil teet benefit Putin? How does issuing the harshest individual sanctions in US history against Putin's cronies (that go well beyond what Congress wants) benefit Putin? How does issuing two missile strikes in Syria against Assad and Iranian targets benefit Putin? How did annihilating 300+ Russian soldiers in Syria simply for amassing benefit Putin? More on that last one... February 7, 2018, a Russian assault batallion of 550 men "attacked" a US FOB in Syria. Mattis called the Russians on the deconfliction line and told the Russians to call off their men. The Russians said they're not their men, "they're from the Wagner group and we have no control over them." This was a lie. The Wagner Group uses Russian regulars and smuggles them inside Syria. They're called Ghost Soldiers: https://www.reuters.com/article/us-mideast-crisis-syria-russia-insight/ghost-soldiers-the-russians-secretly-dying-for-the-kremlin-in-syria-idUSKBN12Y0M6 Mattis then had the green light to not just engage, but annihalte the Russian forces. Listen to this man: This wasn't just a little attack. It was a sustained attack using Apache gunships, USMC artillery, fixed wing bombers, AC-130 gunships, and B-52 stratofortress strategic bombers. The Russian unit suffered 100% casualties. Of the 550 engaged, 300 were killed and 250 were wounded. The men on the ground said "they kicked the **** out of us". Tell me, Promo. How does the annihilation of a Russian assault battalion benefit Putin? I'll wait... Bc there is no doing, just speaking 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B-Man Posted July 18, 2018 Share Posted July 18, 2018 25 minutes ago, PromoTheRobot said: I'm not going to play games. To insist I ignore what was said at a press conference is a neat little trick considering there is no doing, just speaking. If you look at everything Trump does through the lens of how it benefits Putin, it's hard not to suspect that something is n't right. Well, I guess it's not THAT hard, based on what I read here. Well there's your problem...................try looking at it through a non-biased lens. Of course if you start with that assumption everything looks worse.................. . 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
/dev/null Posted July 18, 2018 Share Posted July 18, 2018 1 hour ago, joesixpack said: I always get a good laugh out of Dims who claim Obama was a strong leader. 1 hour ago, Bray Wyatt said: Dont forget Obama's red lines! Oh and Crimea too! Real tough! Some military friends of mine say President Obama was a great motivational speaker. Whenever he spoke they had to work even harder 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nanker Posted July 18, 2018 Share Posted July 18, 2018 18 minutes ago, Deranged Rhino said: How does sanctioning the hell out of both of Russia's key strategic allies (North Korea and Iran) benefit Putin? How does arming the Ukrainians (which Obama wouldn't do) benefit Putin? How does goading NATO to pay MORE in defense against Russia, benefit Putin? How does goading Germany to get off the Russian oil teet benefit Putin? How does issuing the harshest individual sanctions in US history against Putin's cronies (that go well beyond what Congress wants) benefit Putin? How does issuing two missile strikes in Syria against Assad and Iranian targets benefit Putin? How did annihilating 300+ Russian soldiers in Syria simply for amassing benefit Putin? More on that last one... February 7, 2018, a Russian assault batallion of 550 men "attacked" a US FOB in Syria. Mattis called the Russians on the deconfliction line and told the Russians to call off their men. The Russians said they're not their men, "they're from the Wagner group and we have no control over them." This was a lie. The Wagner Group uses Russian regulars and smuggles them inside Syria. They're called Ghost Soldiers: https://www.reuters.com/article/us-mideast-crisis-syria-russia-insight/ghost-soldiers-the-russians-secretly-dying-for-the-kremlin-in-syria-idUSKBN12Y0M6 Mattis then had the green light to not just engage, but annihalte the Russian forces. Listen to this man: This wasn't just a little attack. It was a sustained attack using Apache gunships, USMC artillery, fixed wing bombers, AC-130 gunships, and B-52 stratofortress strategic bombers. The Russian unit suffered 100% casualties. Of the 550 engaged, 300 were killed and 250 were wounded. The men on the ground said "they kicked the **** out of us". Tell me, Promo. How does the annihilation of a Russian assault battalion benefit Putin? I'll wait... Nonsense. Tis but a scratch. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
outsidethebox Posted July 18, 2018 Share Posted July 18, 2018 I think Trump should at least be as tough on russia as Obama was on Iran. Don't you remember all the libs outrage over Obama's actions against Iran? Yeah, me either! F'n hypocrites!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
/dev/null Posted July 18, 2018 Share Posted July 18, 2018 6 minutes ago, westside said: I think Trump should at least be as tough on russia as Obama was on Iran. Don't you remember all the libs outrage over Obama's actions against Iran? Yeah, me either! F'n hypocrites!!! Pallets of unmarked foreign currency on a cargo ship with no markings or registered flight plan? Brilliant! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snafu Posted July 18, 2018 Share Posted July 18, 2018 1 hour ago, PromoTheRobot said: I'm not going to play games. To insist I ignore what was said at a press conference is a neat little trick considering there is no doing, just speaking. If you look at everything Trump does through the lens of how it benefits Putin, it's hard not to suspect that something is n't right. Well, I guess it's not THAT hard, based on what I read here. You used "treason" and "traitor" repeatedly and didn't back up your accusations with any objective fact, though you were asked and asked again by several people on this thread. It is a heavy assertion. If you're going to call the President a traitor then back it up or shut up. If you prove it to me then I will stand beside you. But if you can't, then don't call anyone here a Trump sycophant. You even cited the federal code provision to underscore your accusation. Trump's ass kissing was unsightly and stupid, yes, but it wasn't treasonous. ...and looking at what Trump does through any single lens is not wise -- why would I want to do that? Why would anyone do that other than to confirm a bias? 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
njbuff Posted July 18, 2018 Share Posted July 18, 2018 1 hour ago, /dev/null said: Some military friends of mine say President Obama was a great motivational speaker. Whenever he spoke they had to work even harder HAHAHAH You win quote of the day. 32 minutes ago, westside said: I think Trump should at least be as tough on russia as Obama was on Iran. Don't you remember all the libs outrage over Obama's actions against Iran? Yeah, me either! F'n hypocrites!!! I never knew the goings on in the Obama years, because politics was a complete bore under him, but I saw a montage of his work and boy is it a beauty. All I can say is that hateful morons of Trump sure have balls when it comes to complaining about Trump. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nanker Posted July 18, 2018 Share Posted July 18, 2018 Trump is AAA Pissed at the IC because many of the top !@#$s had it in for him and mounted a coup attempt at him. And that cabal includes operatives from the U.K., and their ancillaries as well as some in the EU. I’d be pizzed too. And I’d want to tan their hides. What we saw at the NATO summit and the EU meetings reflects that. Trump is royally pissed off at them and for very good reasons. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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leh-nerd skin-erd Posted July 18, 2018 Share Posted July 18, 2018 1 hour ago, /dev/null said: Pallets of unmarked foreign currency on a cargo ship with no markings or registered flight plan? Brilliant! "I wish I was Iran."----every American citizen ever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reddogblitz Posted July 19, 2018 Share Posted July 19, 2018 On 7/17/2018 at 11:36 AM, Deranged Rhino said: What was old is new again. Whenever I receive a bribe from the Russians i always include it in my tax filings to the IRS. Iirc it goes on form 007. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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