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This is the most under appreciated aspect of what Buffalo brings to the table.

 

Now...........

 

The Bills have one of the best RB's in the NFL in Shady. He shows no signs of slowing down as he reaches the dark age for RB's, 30. He is also an excellent receiver out of the backfield.

 

KB is a legit number one WR when healthy. That's the big question, of course. Will he remain healthy?

 

Charles Clay is an excellent TE when healthy. Of course, can he stay healthy too?

 

That is three legitimate weapons in the passing game if they all stay on the field.

 

And maybe someone else can emerge as a viable target amongst the young WR's. Totally not out of the realm of pooibility.

 

Because the Bills don't have two established blazers who catch 100 passes a year on the outside, everyone assumes that Buffalo is weak in the passing game.

 

The Bills are going to be playing a close the the vest type passing game and their weaponry is more than enough to get the job done and win 10 games (if not more).

 

A severely overlooked aspect of Buffalo's game.

 

Of course, all bets are off if the injury bug bites.

 

 

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Kelvin Benjamin as a legit #1 is highly questionable.  Poor-man's at best

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2 minutes ago, Zac said:

Kelvin Benjamin as a legit #1 is highly questionable.  Poor-man's at best

 

 

Ditto Charles Clay as "an excellent TE".

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This feels like when someone buys a house and they can afford the payments, as long as everything goes just right. Things go sideways all the time, and we best be prepared for that. 

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Thing is with RBs, usually they hit a wall and there is no gradual decline. Somebody like Priest Holmes or Shaun Alexander rushing for 25 TDs and then 2 years later they can't crack an NFL roster.

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The Bills have the worst passing lineup in the league.

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3 minutes ago, Rigotz said:

The Bills have the worst passing lineup in the league.

 

Maybe...but this time last year they had the worst Secondary in the League..

 

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6 minutes ago, Aussie Joe said:

 

Maybe...but this time last year they had the worst Secondary in the League..

 

 

At least then we knew we had added some talent and could hope for it to pan out. This? Not so much....but maybe a little. I pray that Zay has his head on straight and bounces back. If he does, I still think we have a couple nice #2’s. You can’t do it all at once and I hope we can add a great WR in the draft (lasts year’s or next).  Proven #1 WR’s are so darn expensive! 

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The age of Buffalo's running backs is indeed an issue.  If as some project the Bills' running backs are McCoy, Ivory, Travaris Cadett, and Taiwan Jones, their respective ages right now are 29, 30, 29, and 29.  That does make me a bit nervous.  Appart from the proverbial wall, there is also the isue of injuries.  Bot Cadett and Jones are coming off injuries, and now they are a year older.

 

With the receivers, it's an issue of question marks.  Kelvin Benjamin, if healthy is a good receiver, I think.  He seems to be both healthy and motivated this season.  Zay Jones may develop in his sophomore year.  Jeremy Kerley is a savvy veteran in the slot, even if he lacks great measurables.  Beyond those three, we don't even have a real good handle on who is going to make the final roster. Reilly and Streater could be pretty good.  McCloud and Proehl have some quickness.  Dupre seems to have some talent.  Who's going to make the team though?  Will they get a chance to compete.?

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12 minutes ago, Aussie Joe said:

 

Maybe...but this time last year they had the worst Secondary in the League..

 

Who said that? A ton of people loved the Hyde signing and we spent a 1st round pick on a qb.

 

i will blindly trust this regime on the defense side, especially d backs.  But our offensive evaluations so far have sucked, minus perhaps Dawkins.  We don’t have one receiver who threatens a defense vertically.  That’s a huge problem.

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"Weaponry" in the passing game?

 

We don't have a QB or WRs, and the OL is changed and downgraded relative to last year.

 

Other than that, our passing weaponry should be lethal!

 

 

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2 minutes ago, Fadingpain said:

"Weaponry" in the passing game?

 

We don't have a QB or WRs, and the OL is changed and downgraded relative to last year.

 

Other than that, our passing weaponry should be lethal!

 

 

Good.  We've got the rest of the league right where they want us.

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44 minutes ago, Fadingpain said:

"Weaponry" in the passing game?

 

We don't have a QB or WRs, and the OL is changed and downgraded relative to last year.

 

Other than that, our passing weaponry should be lethal!

 

 

 

It’s a water pistol, but the water in really cold!  I’m sure the league is quaking in their boots!

 

 

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58 minutes ago, Augie said:

This feels like when someone buys a house and they can afford the payments, as long as everything goes just right. Things go sideways all the time, and we best be prepared for that. 

 

...MORE like someone who sees a picture of a house and declares it a DUMP from the picture.......and for the helluva it, they do a drive by.......doesn't look as bad as we thought....arrange for a showing and decide it's no where as bad as thought from the initial picture, which did no justice..... so could the Bills' initial WR picture do the gang no justice?....are they as bad as you thought?.....who the hell knows until we see the product, so stay tuned.....

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1 hour ago, njbuff said:

This is the most under appreciated aspect of what Buffalo brings to the table.

 

Now...........

 

The Bills have one of the best RB's in the NFL in Shady. He shows no signs of slowing down as he reaches the dark age for RB's, 30. He is also an excellent receiver out of the backfield.

 

KB is a legit number one WR when healthy. That's the big question, of course. Will he remain healthy?

 

Charles Clay is an excellent TE when healthy. Of course, can he stay healthy too?

 

That is three legitimate weapons in the passing game if they all stay on the field.

 

And maybe someone else can emerge as a viable target amongst the young WR's. Totally not out of the realm of pooibility.

 

Because the Bills don't have two established blazers who catch 100 passes a year on the outside, everyone assumes that Buffalo is weak in the passing game.

 

The Bills are going to be playing a close the the vest type passing game and their weaponry is more than enough to get the job done and win 10 games (if not more).

 

A severely overlooked aspect of Buffalo's game.

 

Of course, all bets are off if the injury bug bites.

 

 

Good points, all.   

 

I say it over and over again - it's about coaching, folks.   There are about 10 or 15 receivers in the league who can get open on their own.   Most who can do it with speed, quickness and moves.   Benjamin is one; he does it with size.   Like Gronk does.   So he's a legit #1, just not a legit deep threat.   

 

The rest of the receivers in the league get open by running their routes precisely and taking advantage of mismatches in the defensive scheme.  You don't have to be Sammy Watkins to do that.   

 

The Bills receiving personnel is okay, and some of the youngsters will also emerge to be okay.    

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4 minutes ago, John from Riverside said:

We do have Dan O'Leary.....

Nick O'Leary. 

 

People joke about the Bills receiving, but Clay was 14th in the league in tight end receptions and O'Leary was 36th (which means he's more or less the 4th best second tight end on any team).

 

Tight is covered.  

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1 minute ago, Shaw66 said:

Nick O'Leary. 

 

People joke about the Bills receiving, but Clay was 14th in the league in tight end receptions and O'Leary was 36th (which means he's more or less the 4th best second tight end on any team).

 

Tight is covered.  

 

And imagine what Clay might do if he is catching the ball in stride rather than reaching back for it!

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1 minute ago, eball said:

 

And imagine what Clay might do if he is catching the ball in stride rather than reaching back for it!

 

....or just plain ignored while running free. I’m not a Tyrod hater, but....

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4 minutes ago, eball said:

And imagine what Clay might do if he is catching the ball in stride rather than reaching back for it!

 

What was the excuse for his drop in NE before the Benjamin TD catch was overturned on the next play? 

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I don't think WR/pass catchers is as much of an issue as it's made out to be by most, but there's certainly a lot of question marks there. 

 

Most of my questions have to do with who will be WRs 3-5, and not so much the health of Benjamin and Clay.

 

Everyone knows that Clay has chronic knee issues, and the Bills have done a good job of limiting him during the week. In 3 years with the Bills, he's missed 7 of 48 starts, not quite as bad as people might think. Nick O'Leary has really come along as a solid #2 with reliable hands, so missing Clay for a couple games isn't going to kill the offense.

 

Benjamin had the non-contact injury in 2015, and was injured last year after taking a shot to the knee. Both kind of flukey, although you could argue that his legs are are greater targets due to his size and lack of elusiveness. Hitting him with passes in stride can alleviate that some. 

 

Zay...huge question mark, but he's shown to be reliable at ECU. Hopefully he's learned a lot since then...

 

As for Shady, he's a threat any time he touches the ball, but I think he sees less targets in this offense. He'll be tasked with staying in to help block more often, IMO, especially if the offensive line has its struggles (which most people expect). And Ivory is a capable receiving option out of the backfield to consider. 

 

With that being said, as of right now, the group is probably bottom 5, until they prove otherwise. Part of their production will be based on the play of their QB(s?), which will be based on how well the line holds up. But one thing to consider is that WRs in this offense are much more interchangeable than in other offenses, and an injury or two may not hurt quite as much as they might in WC or AC based offenses. Losing Benjamin and/or Clay obviously wouldn't be good, especially for long periods, but this scheme isn't as "skill-set dependent", and it would give other guys down the depth chart a chance to prove themselves. 

 

I will say this though...if the Bills fail to win 10 games (which I don't believe they will), it won't be so as much due to the WRs as it will the QB and O-line. I think there will be too many growing pains there. I see a 6-9 win team, with a win total on the higher end being reliant on a much improved defense.

16 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said:

 

What was the excuse for his drop in NE before the Benjamin TD catch was overturned on the next play? 

 

A drop... it happens. 

 

You highlighted one play. He's made plenty of catches, many of which were not so easy. 

 

Clay is the least of my worries.

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2 minutes ago, Drunken Pygmy Goat said:

I don't think WR/pass catchers is as much of an issue as it's made out to be by most, but there's certainly a lot of question marks there. 

 

Most of my questions have to do with who will be WRs 3-5, and not so much the health of Benjamin and Clay.

 

Everyone knows that Clay has chronic knee issues, and the Bills have done a good job of limiting him during the week. In 3 years with the Bills, he's missed 7 of 48 starts, not quite as bad as people might think. Nick O'Leary has really come along as a solid #2 with reliable hands, so missing Clay for a couple games isn't going to kill the offense.

 

Benjamin had the non-contact injury in 2015, and was injured last year after taking a shot to the knee. Both kind of flukey, although you could argue that his legs are are greater targets due to his size and lack of elusiveness. Hitting him with passes in stride can alleviate that some. 

 

Zay...huge question mark, but he's shown to be reliable at ECU. Hopefully he's learned a lot since then...

 

As for Shady, he's a threat any time he touches the ball, but I think he sees less targets in this offense. He'll be tasked with staying in to help block more often, IMO, especially if the offensive line has its struggles (which most people expect). And Ivory is a capable receiving option out of the backfield to consider. 

 

With that being said, as of right now, the group is probably bottom 5, until they prove otherwise. Part of their production will be based on the play of their QB(s?), which will be based on how well the line holds up. But one thing to consider is that WRs in this offense are much more interchangeable than in other offenses, and an injury or two may not hurt quite as much as they might in WC or AC based offenses. Losing Benjamin and/or Clay obviously wouldn't be good, especially for long periods, but this scheme isn't as "skill-set dependent", and it would give other guys down the depth chart a chance to prove themselves. 

 

I will say this though...if the Bills fail to win 10 games (which I don't believe they will), it won't be so as much due to the WRs as it will the QB and O-line. I think there will be too many growing pains there. I see a 6-9 win team, with a win total on the higher end being reliant on a much improved defense.

 

A drop... it happens. 

 

You highlighted one play. He's made plenty of catches, many of which were not so easy. 

 

Clay is the least of my worries.

 

I don't recall him making many great catches and you should worry more given the state of his knees.  When healthy he is a good all around TE. 

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