Prediction: Nathan Peterman Bills Starting QB Wk. 1 vs. Ravens

[Lfod]

19 minutes ago, Kelly the Dog said:

Nonsense. If you asked anyone here what they like about Peterman 90-95% of them would say that he knows where he wants to go with the ball, makes quick decisions, and throws an accurate pass. 

 

Thats what everyone thinks and that's what he does and that's what he did today. 

 

If you ask people if he has a strong arm, does he throw the ball downfield a lot, does he go to his third and fourth read, etc, they would say no. 

 

No one predicted Peterman would be nearly flawless. It's just because he was now all his detractors have to double down like I knew he could do some things but but but....

 

I liked Peterman and wouldn't have predicted he lands every pass but one. People can never just say maybe he wasn't as bad as I thought. 

 

In the same breath all the credit they should give Peterman gets thrown at Allen. The fans cheered a 60 yard incompletion. They might be hyped about a first round draft pick. Oh his WRs quit on plays but Peterman was shy on the interception that was through the guys hands. 

 

Obviously it's not really easy to say see I told you so about Peterman right now is it? 

 

Funny I see people saying it's only preseason one game! Kinda like I was saying the Chargers game was just one game and he was a rookie thrown in on a joke of an offence. 

 

I want the offense to move the chains. I'm not particular on how it gets don't or how many reads a QB needs to get it done. If Peterman is landing his first reads why make the second or third. 

Edited August 10, 2018 by Lfod

[Kelly the Dog]

9 minutes ago, Lfod said:

No one predicted Peterman would be nearly flawless. It's just because he was now all his detractors have to double down like I knew he could do some things but but but....

 

I liked Peterman and wouldn't have predicted he lands every pass but one. People can never just say maybe he wasn't as bad as I thought. 

 

In the same breath all the credit they should give Peterman gets thrown at Allen. The fans cheered a 60 yard incompletion. They might be hyped about a first round draft pick. Oh his WRs quit on plays but Peterman was shy on the interception that was through the guys hands. 

 

Obviously it's not really easy to say see I told you so about Peterman right now is it? 

No no no no no.  Peterman played great tonight. But he did what Peterman does well. That's it! We already knew that. What all his fans like about him is what he did well. He DIDN'T do one thing to show he has improved on his deficiencies. Not once. In order to play QB at a high level in this league you have to do twenty five different things. He does a few. The things he hasn't shown he can do is what his detractors think will kill his chances. NOTHING he did tonight, no matter how well he played, affects that. 

 

You cant really fault him for doing what he does well. And his TD drive was terrific. I loved it. But it doesn't show that he can now do the stuff that prevented him from being an NFL QB. 

 

Not to mentiin that his INT was well behind his target when it was an easy pass. 

 

[Figster]

7 minutes ago, Lfod said:

No one predicted Peterman would be nearly flawless. It's just because he was now all his detractors have to double down like I knew he could do some things but but but....

 

I liked Peterman and wouldn't have predicted he lands every pass but one. People can never just say maybe he wasn't as bad as I thought. 

 

In the same breath all the credit they should give Peterman gets thrown at Allen. The fans cheered a 60 yard incompletion. They might be hyped about a first round draft pick. 

 

Obviously it's not really easy to say see I told you so about Peterman right now is it? 

 Peterman/arm has limitations and would require game planning around them to be successful IMO.

 

Both Allen and McCarron can handle anything Dabol throws at them... 

[Kelly the Dog]

3 minutes ago, Figster said:

 Peterman/arm has limitations and would require game planning around them to be successful IMO.

 

Both Allen and McCarron can handle anything Dabol throws at them... 

Not to mention that we have one star and one thing we do well and it's called Shady. Every team in the NFL if they really want to take away one element of your game can do a decent job of it. If we cannot get the ball downfield they can somewhat neuter Shady. That why we need the threat and arm of Allen.  

[Lfod]

5 minutes ago, Figster said:

 Peterman/arm has limitations and would require game planning around them to be successful IMO.

 

Both Allen and McCarron can handle anything Dabol throws at them... 

I was just happy seeing each of the QBs putting in work and scoring a touchdown. I was glad they were focused on the air attack because it's an area that needs improvement. I have more confidence now in Dabol and this season now.

 

 

[BullBuchanan]

On 7/29/2018 at 8:10 AM, BeginnersMind said:

 

So far we have a Peterman who looks OK with no pads in minicamp, bad with pads in training camp, and we all know how he looks in a game. 

 

We have no idea how Allen will do yet as it’s early. I expected Peterman to be the starter this season but I’m under no illusions that the guy may suck, given his level of suckitude to date. We will see if McD is quick to pull the plug if he doesn’t start playing well. I expect he will be. 

 

Yo.

28 minutes ago, Figster said:

 Peterman/arm has limitations and would require game planning around them to be successful IMO.

 

Both Allen and McCarron can handle anything Dabol throws at them... 

 

So did Joe Montana. QB Arm Strength doesn't win Super Bowls. Tom Brady won 3 championships on 5 yard slants. It takes a team, and a system. I'm not saying Peterman is ever going to be elite, but it won't be arm strength that holds his career back

Edited August 10, 2018 by BullBuchanan

[Lfod]

9 minutes ago, BullBuchanan said:

 

Yo.

 

So did Joe Montana. QB Arm Strength doesn't win Super Bowls. Tom Brady won 3 championships on 5 yard slants. It takes a team, and a system. I'm not saying Peterman is ever going to be elite, but it won't be arm strength that holds his career back

As long as he remembers to pump fake he probably will be alright.

 

Edited August 10, 2018 by Lfod

[BullBuchanan]

37 minutes ago, Kelly the Dog said:

No no no no no.  Peterman played great tonight. But he did what Peterman does well. That's it! We already knew that. What all his fans like about him is what he did well. He DIDN'T do one thing to show he has improved on his deficiencies. Not once. In order to play QB at a high level in this league you have to do twenty five different things. He does a few. The things he hasn't shown he can do is what his detractors think will kill his chances. NOTHING he did tonight, no matter how well he played, affects that. 

 

You cant really fault him for doing what he does well. And his TD drive was terrific. I loved it. But it doesn't show that he can now do the stuff that prevented him from being an NFL QB. 

 

Not to mentiin that his INT was well behind his target when it was an easy pass. 

 

I thought you were talking about Allen here.It's funny you talk about how impressive Allen was, when he showed virtually zero development so far from his college game. He threw the pigskin over the mountains, but his spotty accuracy and suspect decision making forced him to come up short. That's literally the book on Allen. Big kid that can throw balls far. The NFL is littered with failed careers of guys that looked just like him. Did it put a massive smile on my face watching that frozen rope post pass? Sure. But he's got a long, long way to go before he ever sees action in an NFL game. I'm hoping the best for him, even though I hated him as a prospect. It does me no good to root against him now, but as of today, he's closer to Paxton Lynch than Brett Favre.

On 7/29/2018 at 8:10 AM, BeginnersMind said:

 

So far we have a Peterman who looks OK with no pads in minicamp, bad with pads in training camp, and we all know how he looks in a game. 

 

We have no idea how Allen will do yet as it’s early. I expected Peterman to be the starter this season but I’m under no illusions that the guy may suck, given his level of suckitude to date. We will see if McD is quick to pull the plug if he doesn’t start playing well. I expect he will be. 

mhmm.

Edited August 10, 2018 by BullBuchanan

[Kelly the Dog]

32 minutes ago, BullBuchanan said:

I thought you were talking about Allen here.It's funny you talk about how impressive Allen was, when he showed virtually zero development so far from his college game. He threw the pigskin over the mountains, but his spotty accuracy and suspect decision making forced him to come up short. That's literally the book on Allen. Big kid that can throw balls far. The NFL is littered with failed careers of guys that looked just like him. Did it put a massive smile on my face watching that frozen rope post pass? Sure. But he's got a long, long way to go before he ever sees action in an NFL game. I'm hoping the best for him, even though I hated him as a prospect. It does me no good to root against him now, but as of today, he's closer to Paxton Lynch than Brett Favre.

mhmm.

Name the throws when he was terribly inaccurate. There were a couple at most. Name any throw when he had time and space and just missed it being inaccurate. 

 

He was pretty accurate. Reilly dropped his second pass that would have been a first down that was right on the money. Foster misjudged two bombs that were great passes. One deep pass to Foster was OB (his first one) but 60 yards in the air you cannot say that was a bad pass because he is inaccurate. 

[BullBuchanan]

5 minutes ago, Kelly the Dog said:

Name the throws when he was terribly inaccurate. There were a couple at most. Name any throw when he had time and space and just missed it being inaccurate. 

 

He was pretty accurate. Reilly dropped his second pass that would have been a first down that was right on the money. Foster misjudged two bombs that were great passes. One deep pass to Foster was OB (his first one) but 60 yards in the air you cannot say that was a bad pass because he is inaccurate. 

I'm not going to name them, because it's not my job to understand things for you. The tape is in the thread. He showed he can throw a football far, which we all knew, and showed some mobility. great.

 

Is throwing the ball 60 yards in the air impressive? Sure, why not. I'd be more impressed if he put them in bounds where his receivers could catch them. Foster is bad, but knowing that is something QBs are judged on. I don't really care that much about 60 yard bombs, though. i care about passes that move the chains, maintain possession and put us in a position to own the game. hail mary passes don't do that. 

Edited August 10, 2018 by BullBuchanan

[ThunderGun]

I give Peterman all the credit it the world,  looked great. McCarron also looked good, but let’s remember there was zero game planning by Rivera AND Daboll has no real available game tape of what he plans to run in the NFL.

Once teams start game planning for Peterman, and get a feel for Daboll’s offense, the shine will come off real quick in my opinion, and if I had to make a decision between just the two right now I think I would still lean towards McCarron.

 

All that said, I’m just hoping Allen’s game continues to improve, and impresses enough that he somehow starts sooner than later.  He has intangibles that can’t really be game planned for.  He has every physical tool a QB could want, it’s like somebody created the perfect QB in madden (forgetting to change the create a player face), and his wonderlic score was super high (37?) so he has a brain to match these insane, other worldly physical intangibles.  I’d trade whoever doesn’t want to back up Allen, and just take my lumps with the rookie.  I really don’t think the game is too big for him, and he will just get better much quicker if he’s getting the 1st reps and experience on the field. 

[Kelly the Dog]

I can name every pass he threw. He did not throw one ball that required requisite arm strength. Not one. He played excellent, doing the one thing we already know he does very well. That doesn't show me anything. That's like watching Stephon Curry shooting free throws and saying "that guy is an amazing shooter!" He may be but he has to show the ability to hit ten other kinds of shots. Peterman has never shown that ability. He has shown exactly what he did tonight, he just did it great tonight. 

[ThunderGun]

2 minutes ago, BullBuchanan said:

I'm not going to name them, because it's not my job to understand things for you. The tape is in the thread. He showed he can throw a football far, which we all knew, and showed some mobility. great.

 

Is throwing the ball 60 yards in the air impressive? Sure, why not. I'd be more impressed if he put them in bounds where his receivers could catch them. Foster is bad, but knowing that is something QBs are judged on. I don't really care that much about 60 yard bombs, though. i care about passes that move the chains, maintain possession and put us in a position to own the game. hail mary passes don't do that. 

Yeah, that TD throw to Ray Ray was awful... neither Peterman nor McCaron have the arm for that throw. 

Allen as definitely accurate with his passes more than he wasn’t, saying anything other wise is just a bunch of bull ****.

[BullBuchanan]

2 minutes ago, ThunderGun said:

Yeah, that TD throw to Ray Ray was awful... neither Peterman nor McCaron have the arm for that throw. 

Allen as definitely accurate with his passes more than he wasn’t, saying anything other wise is just a bunch of bull ****.

 

Brady doesn't have the arm strength for that throw either - it doesn't make Allen better. QBs play the game different ways, and sometimes they don't need to make flashy plays because they don't put themselves in that position. Jay cutler has made way more incredible throws in his career than Alex Smith has, but he isn't half the QB that Smith is. I guess I shouldn't be, but I'm really shocked that so many people are so impressed with arm strength in a league where it really doesn't matter that much as long as you have enough.

 

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000400156/article/matthew-stafford-leads-list-of-top-10-strongest-arms 

[Pasaluki]

Both Peterman and McCarron played excellent tonight. I would actually say that for all the talk about Peterman not handling pressure well and getting happy feet (which is 100% true and leads to poor decisions), McCarron has a problem with staying in the pocket way too long and taking tons of sacks. 

[Kelly the Dog]

1 minute ago, BurpleBull said:

 

Where your proof of this?

 

 

 

 

Being on here and other sites and twitter every day since he's been here? If you had to say what does Nate Peterman do well you wouldn't say he knows where he wants to go with the ball presnap, makes quick decisions, has a quick release and throws an accurate short pass? He hasn't ever shown any consistent ability to complete long passes or deep outs or deep crosses or anything over 20 yards that wasn't a lob or showed the requisite arm strength. There was one excellent sideline toss of 21 yards last preseason. There wasn't even one attempt tonight. 

[BullBuchanan]

4 minutes ago, Kelly the Dog said:

Being on here and other sites and twitter every day since he's been here? If you had to say what does Nate Peterman do well you wouldn't say he knows where he wants to go with the ball presnap, makes quick decisions, has a quick release and throws an accurate short pass? He hasn't ever shown any consistent ability to complete long passes or deep outs or deep crosses or anything over 20 yards that wasn't a lob or showed the requisite arm strength. There was one excellent sideline toss of 21 yards last preseason. There wasn't even one attempt tonight. 

 

Yea, he was too busy having a perfect outing. This is a blatant troll job.

[Kelly the Dog]

Just now, BullBuchanan said:

 

Yea, he was too busy having a perfect outing. This is a blatant troll job.

So you can't answer the question. What do you think Peterman does well? Throw deep? Avoid the rush? Nail the deep out? 

[BullBuchanan]

Just now, Kelly the Dog said:

So you can't answer the question. What do you think Peterman does well? Throw deep? Avoid the rush? Nail the deep out? 

 

"he knows where he wants to go with the ball presnap, makes quick decisions, has a quick release and throws an accurate short pass" Athletic, plays with intensity, smart, resilient.

[transplantbillsfan]

3 hours ago, BurpleBull said:

 

Does anything I state below ring true now?

 

 

How are we supposed to know if that rings true yet? We haven't seen anything about McDermott's approach from here, yet.

 

So you're asking this question, the obvious question you're forced answer first is how did you think each of the QBs played?

 

Did you think Peterman's performance was "off-the-charts?"

 

How about McCarron?

 

Was Allen's performance "just okay?"

 

 

Pretty curious as to what you think the level of each performance was because the level of each guy's performance dictates the entire statement you refer to.

1 hour ago, BullBuchanan said:

I thought you were talking about Allen here.It's funny you talk about how impressive Allen was, when he showed virtually zero development so far from his college game. He threw the pigskin over the mountains, but his spotty accuracy and suspect decision making forced him to come up short. That's literally the book on Allen. Big kid that can throw balls far. The NFL is littered with failed careers of guys that looked just like him. Did it put a massive smile on my face watching that frozen rope post pass? Sure. But he's got a long, long way to go before he ever sees action in an NFL game. I'm hoping the best for him, even though I hated him as a prospect. It does me no good to root against him now, but as of today, he's closer to Paxton Lynch than Brett Favre.

 

This is just a weird post from someone who either didn't watch the game or believes the QB is responsible for the faults of not just himself, but also the other 10 guys on offense.

 

Allen was damn good tonight. I think we should all be a bit more comfortable with our QB situation right now.

[BullBuchanan]

11 minutes ago, transplantbillsfan said:

 

How are we supposed to know if that rings true yet? We haven't seen anything about McDermott's approach from here, yet.

 

So you're asking this question, the obvious question you're forced answer first is how did you think each of the QBs played?

 

Did you think Peterman's performance was "off-the-charts?"

 

How about McCarron?

 

Was Allen's performance "just okay?"

 

 

Pretty curious as to what you think the level of each performance was because the level of each guy's performance dictates the entire statement you refer to.

 

This is just a weird post from someone who either didn't watch the game or believes the QB is responsible for the faults of not just himself, but also the other 10 guys on offense.

 

Allen was damn good tonight. I think we should all be a bit more comfortable with our QB situation right now.

Confirmation bias? 47% completion percentage and a couple of amazing throws. His fundamentals are still poor, he puts way too much zip on passes that need touch, and he put the ball in bad spots a couple of times trying to do too much. If you told me I was watching a Wyoming game, I wouldn't have even flinched.

Edited August 10, 2018 by BullBuchanan

[BurpleBull]

21 minutes ago, Kelly the Dog said:

Being on here and other sites and twitter every day since he's been here? If you had to say what does Nate Peterman do well you wouldn't say he knows where he wants to go with the ball presnap, makes quick decisions, has a quick release and throws an accurate short pass? He hasn't ever shown any consistent ability to complete long passes or deep outs or deep crosses or anything over 20 yards that wasn't a lob or showed the requisite arm strength. There was one excellent sideline toss of 21 yards last preseason. There wasn't even one attempt tonight. 

 

I would say, you are putting words in my mouth.

 

Just as you are doing with the majority of this forum's members for the sake of commonizing Peterman's performance.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Buffalo Barbarian]

10 hours ago, Pasaluki said:

Both Peterman and McCarron played excellent tonight. I would actually say that for all the talk about Peterman not handling pressure well and getting happy feet (which is 100% true and leads to poor decisions), McCarron has a problem with staying in the pocket way too long and taking tons of sacks. 

 

hopefully one of these guys starts all season and then gets traded for 2 first round picks.

 

 

Edited August 10, 2018 by Buffalo Barbarian

[transplantbillsfan]

42 minutes ago, BullBuchanan said:

 

Yea, he was too busy having a perfect outing. This is a blatant troll job.

 

Who had a perfect outing? Peterman?

 

He was good, but that interception was on him. Short pass to the receiver and he threw it behind him.

 

Not perfect.

13 minutes ago, BullBuchanan said:

Confirmation bias? 47% completion percentage and a couple of amazing throws. His fundamentals are still poor, he puts way too much zip on passes that need touch, and he put the ball in bad spots a couple of times trying to do too much. If you told me I was watching a Wyoming game, I wouldn't have even flinched.

 

Did you just friggin throw out completion % after that game???

 

Clearly you didn't watch the game... or you stopped watching after your hero left the field.

 

What a joke.

[BullBuchanan]

3 minutes ago, transplantbillsfan said:

 

Who had a perfect outing? Peterman?

 

He was good, but that interception was on him. Short pass to the receiver and he threw it behind him.

 

Not perfect.

Hit Ivory in the hands. It was behind him, but you touch it, you catch it. At minimum you don't bobble it in the air. Didn't adjust his body at all. Pop Warner 101. You kids are fighting so hard to take away from a breathtaking performance. It's really sad that you'd rather cheer for an incomplete pass than a guy that threw back to back touchdowns after a sketchy penalty tried to steal the momentum.

Edited August 10, 2018 by BullBuchanan

[transplantbillsfan]

8 minutes ago, BullBuchanan said:

Hit Ivory in the hands. It was behind him, but you touch it, you catch it. At minimum you don't bobble it in the air. Didn't adjust his body at all. Pop Warner 101. You kids are fighting so hard to take away from a breathtaking performance. It's really sad that you'd rather cheer for an incomplete pass than a guy that threw back to back touchdowns after a sketchy penalty tried to steal the momentum.

 

It was a really good performance, except for that bad pass. Far from breathtaking.

 

The improved arm strength is noticeable, but far from what was advertised.

 

Why are you fighting so hard? Are you really just trolling? Everyone thinks Peterman played well. But it's not like he's the 6 Million Dollar Man who was completely remade in the offseason.

 

After today's performance I feel better than I did 24 hours ago if he's our placeholder to start the season... meaning I feel we could actually win games with him.

 

What exactly about that do you feel the need to fight about?

[HappyDays]

5 hours ago, BullBuchanan said:

He threw the pigskin over the mountains, but his spotty accuracy and suspect decision making forced him to come up short.

 

I am pretty sure I know the two "inaccurate" passes you're talking about and they weren't inaccurate. The receivers ran a different route than Allen expected. The first one he immediately tapped himself to say "my bad." The second one I'm not sure who's to blame. But those are the mistakes I expect to see in preseason game 1 in a complicated offense. The things he did well were a lot more impressive. I thought his biggest mistakes were trying to hit receivers that were completely blanketed, but in his defense his receivers were blanketed most of the night and his two best plays came on throws to blanketed receivers. I need to see him with the 1s to have a better opinion but it was a very promising start.

 

And Peterman's poor velocity was still there last night. I say that as someone that has defended him. He isn't going to be able to challenge defenses, although personally I didn't see McCarron's performance as that much better.

[BigBuff423]

6 hours ago, Kelly the Dog said:

Not to mention that we have one star and one thing we do well and it's called Shady. Every team in the NFL if they really want to take away one element of your game can do a decent job of it. If we cannot get the ball downfield they can somewhat neuter Shady. That why we need the threat and arm of Allen.  

 

I do my best to try and hear each poster out and to read intently with what their attempting to communicate. Sometimes I misread something and misconstrue their intent or sometimes I just misunderstand what they're saying. But in your case, I really don't understand your crusade against Peterman. 

 

To be fair, I haven't really been a fan of any of the QBs on the Bills. Last year I defended Peterman not because I thought he was the answer but because Tyrod had about 3 games in a row that were well below NFL caliber and giving Peterman an opportunity to play seemed to make sense in light of Tyrod's play. However, after that everyone wanted to throw Peterman to the lions and I simply said, "Let's give it time and perspective...he's  a Rookie". Then AJ came to town and I was thinking "Meh....we'll see".....and then Allen was Drafted when I would have *preferred* Darnold or even Lamar Jackson or Mason Rudolph in the 2nd or with the Bills' second 1st round pick...but, I trust the process so because to me it was well confirmed that Allen needed at least a year to be able to work on fundamentals, i.e. foot work, and grow into himself as an NFL QB, I was fine with seeing how Peterman and AJ play this out. 

 

I'm not on either side of Peterman or AJ - and I really liked what I saw from Allen last night despite what looked like a re-run of his Wyoming days with receivers dropping balls and the Offensive line not blocking well enough for him - but to summarily dismiss Peterman as a possible option at QB simply because you are thoroughly convinced he's incapable despite others with more experience and or knowledge, is the height of arrogance. Will Peterman continue to play well when the Defense changes things and Offense isn't so vanilla-esque? I have no idea...will he progress and show real signs of maturity and development in multiple areas? I have no idea....that's kind of the point though, right? We just don't know....let's give it the Pre-Season, practices in camp, and let the coaches do their job before we start looking for the pitchforks and torches. That's my only beef with anyone at this point.....before we build a statue for Allen or burn down Peterman's house....let's just give it at least two more Pre-Season games and camp to before we jump on either train of thought. 

 

Fair enough?

[BuffaloBaumer]

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[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

9 hours ago, BurpleBull said:

From Rochesterfirst.com

 

"Peterman went a perfect seven for seven in his first drive, ending with a 28 yard touchdown to Kelvin Benjamin. Peterman's night ended early in the second quarter. He finished nine for ten with one TD, one INT and 119 yards".

I expected a bit more from you.   

 

Wasn’t Nate was a perfect 9 for 9 until the INT that went through the receivers hands. 

Edited August 10, 2018 by ShadyBillsFan

[Kelly the Dog]

3 hours ago, BigBuff423 said:

 

I do my best to try and hear each poster out and to read intently with what their attempting to communicate. Sometimes I misread something and misconstrue their intent or sometimes I just misunderstand what they're saying. But in your case, I really don't understand your crusade against Peterman. 

 

To be fair, I haven't really been a fan of any of the QBs on the Bills. Last year I defended Peterman not because I thought he was the answer but because Tyrod had about 3 games in a row that were well below NFL caliber and giving Peterman an opportunity to play seemed to make sense in light of Tyrod's play. However, after that everyone wanted to throw Peterman to the lions and I simply said, "Let's give it time and perspective...he's  a Rookie". Then AJ came to town and I was thinking "Meh....we'll see".....and then Allen was Drafted when I would have *preferred* Darnold or even Lamar Jackson or Mason Rudolph in the 2nd or with the Bills' second 1st round pick...but, I trust the process so because to me it was well confirmed that Allen needed at least a year to be able to work on fundamentals, i.e. foot work, and grow into himself as an NFL QB, I was fine with seeing how Peterman and AJ play this out. 

 

I'm not on either side of Peterman or AJ - and I really liked what I saw from Allen last night despite what looked like a re-run of his Wyoming days with receivers dropping balls and the Offensive line not blocking well enough for him - but to summarily dismiss Peterman as a possible option at QB simply because you are thoroughly convinced he's incapable despite others with more experience and or knowledge, is the height of arrogance. Will Peterman continue to play well when the Defense changes things and Offense isn't so vanilla-esque? I have no idea...will he progress and show real signs of maturity and development in multiple areas? I have no idea....that's kind of the point though, right? We just don't know....let's give it the Pre-Season, practices in camp, and let the coaches do their job before we start looking for the pitchforks and torches. That's my only beef with anyone at this point.....before we build a statue for Allen or burn down Peterman's house....let's just give it at least two more Pre-Season games and camp to before we jump on either train of thought. 

 

Fair enough?

It is. I said he had a great game. I was just pointing out the same things that were his death knell last year were not disproved by this great performance. He does one basic thing very well and he did it excellent last night. But that’s all he did. But if he cannot do what he was awful at last year he will never be good. It’s possible but highly unlikely imo. 

[Seanbillsfan2206]

I’ll admit I didn’t think Peterman had any chance to be the week 1 starter. But if he plays like he did last night it’ll be really hard to keep him on the sidelines 

[Figster]

7 hours ago, BullBuchanan said:

 

Yea, he was too busy having a perfect outing. This is a blatant troll job.

No, its Kelly the dog giving you his opinion.

 

One I happen to share. Peterman is a one read QB reliant on getting the ball out as quick as possible to make up for a weaker NFL arm.

 

Can you win games with Peterman? absolutely, but the OC will have to work around his limitations.(IMO)

 

Allen and McCArron on the other hand have no limitations.

 

Josh Allen can make throws that not many NFL QB's can make.( IMO)

[Lurker]

8 hours ago, BullBuchanan said:

 

"he knows where he wants to go with the ball presnap, makes quick decisions, has a quick release and throws an accurate short pass" Athletic, plays with intensity, smart, resilient.

 

That's not necessarily a strength.   Defenses routinely bait weak armed QBs into one-read traps.   

 

What does Nate do if he has to come off that initial read after the snap?    Answer--we don't know because he never scans the field, he just chucks it.    Which is a big reason why he has INT issues...

[BurpleBull]

2 hours ago, ShadyBillsFan said:

I expected a bit more from you.   

 

Wasn’t Nate was a perfect 9 for 9 until the INT that went through the receivers hands. 

 

I think I'm pretty even-keeled.

 

Unlike a lot of posters who mocked Peterman's potential---through GIFs a lot of times---and labelled him practice squad material beforehand, but are now labelling him surefire, official "trade bait", scaling back their attacks on him, pretending to have seen this potential all along.

 

Three more games to go.

 

Let's go, Peterman!

 

[Tyrod's friend]

8 hours ago, Kelly the Dog said:

So you can't answer the question. What do you think Peterman does well? Throw deep? Avoid the rush? Nail the deep out? 

based on last night?

He avoided the rush, rolled out and nailed a perfect pass to Benjamin. 
He completed two long balls.

What did you see?

6 minutes ago, Lurker said:

 

That's not necessarily a strength.   Defenses routinely bait weak armed QBs into one-read traps.   

 

What does Nate do if he has to come off that initial read after the snap?    Answer--we don't know because he never scans the field, he just chucks it.    Which is a big reason why he has INT issues...

If that's what you saw last night, we were on different TV stations.

At least four of the passes were to second or third reads. And defenses routinely bait stupid QBs into one-read traps. 

Again, the weakest armed, successful QB since 2000 was Chad Pennington and he rarely threw interceptions. Interceptions are the domain of the rocket armed guy; first, because it is inherently difficult to be both accurate and throw hard. Second, because wide receivers fail to catch a fast ball.

20 minutes ago, Figster said:

 

Can you win games with Peterman? absolutely, but the OC will have to work around his limitations.(IMO)

 

Allen and McCArron on the other hand have no limitations.

 

 

McCarron literally throws the ball at almost EXACTLY the same speed as Peterman. McCarron throws at 53 MPH, Peterman at 50 (presuming that Peterman has not increased his arm strength. It is widely reported that he did just that this off season.)

[Kirby Jackson]

5 minutes ago, BurpleBull said:

 

I think I'm pretty even-keeled.

 

Unlike a lot of posters who mocked Peterman's potential---through GIFs a lot of times---and labelled him practice squad material beforehand, but are now labelling him surefire, official "trade bait", scaling back their attacks on him, pretending to have seen this potential all along.

 

Three more games to go.

 

Let's go, Peterman!

 

I still don’t think that he’s good. I thought he played exceptionally well. I firmly believe that he is not, and will never be, a starting caliber QB. He’s a one read QB with limited arm strength. If I were a DC I would play press man all game long. I have no idea how he could possibly succeed against that? Press man is kryptonite for what he does well. Obviously that isn’t necessary in preseason but it will be when the bullets start flying.

[Mr. WEO]

3 hours ago, BuffaloBaumer said:

Best

Thread

Ever

 

It's definitely the sleeper of page 1.  66 pages of....this?!

[BurpleBull]

10 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said:

I still don’t think that he’s good. I thought he played exceptionally well. I firmly believe that he is not, and will never be, a starting caliber QB. He’s a one read QB with limited arm strength. If I were a DC I would play press man all game long. I have no idea how he could possibly succeed against that? Press man is kryptonite for what he does well. Obviously that isn’t necessary in preseason but it will be when the bullets start flying.

 

You've already almost certainly been proven wrong in at least one of your claims, I don't know why you and some of these other posters continue to go on in such definitive manner with your claims, as if you haven't already been shown up in your previous positions on where things stand.

 

 

[Figster]

30 minutes ago, Tyrod's friend said:

based on last night?

He avoided the rush, rolled out and nailed a perfect pass to Benjamin. 
He completed two long balls.

What did you see?

If that's what you saw last night, we were on different TV stations.

At least four of the passes were to second or third reads. And defenses routinely bait stupid QBs into one-read traps. 

Again, the weakest armed, successful QB since 2000 was Chad Pennington and he rarely threw interceptions. Interceptions are the domain of the rocket armed guy; first, because it is inherently difficult to be both accurate and throw hard. Second, because wide receivers fail to catch a fast ball.

McCarron literally throws the ball at almost EXACTLY the same speed as Peterman. McCarron throws at 53 MPH, Peterman at 50 (presuming that Peterman has not increased his arm strength. It is widely reported that he did just that this off season.)

50 and 53 are not exactly the same and the number I have on Peterman is 49.

 

When 55 is the preferred velocity for an NFL QB wouldn't you agree that every MPH slower makes a difference when it comes to limitations?

 

Peterman puts allot of air under most of his throws where as A J by way of example makes higher velocity throws on a regular basis.

 

In comparison to Peterman/ 49 Josh Allen can throw 15 to 20 MPH faster.

 

You can have success with lower velocity QB, of that I agree, but with lower velocity comes limitations in my humble opinion.