Shots Fired! Tim Graham calls out Vic Carruci for Posing with The Biscuit

[K-9]

7 minutes ago, dneveu said:

I guess off topic - but can people be rehabilitated?  I don't know what he did, but it was also 20 years ago... he attended anger management, did community service, substance abuse counseling etc.  Is it possible he's a better person now?  Like why is Tim Graham bringing this up?

Why is Graham brining this up now? Because he’s not a better person now.

[Yav]

Tim Graham is a tool, the sooner people realize that the faster he will just go away. He's one jackass I'd like to knock out.

[BADOLBILZ]

3 hours ago, K-9 said:

He stated Bennett was convicted of RAPE; that crime. Nobody here suggested Bennett didn’t commit a crime and plead guilty to a misdemeanor.  But in your typical intellectually dishonest fashion, you must move the goal posts and twist other people’s words to make a futile point.

 

 

Yes, you did.   Read your post.   You said "a crime he didn't commit".     I didn't twist your words you wrote them.   Graham was incorrect in calling him "convicted" even though Bennett served jail time.......and you were incorrect in saying he did not commit the crime.   He wasn't tried for it.  I guess you don't like it when you present something incorrectly and get called on it.   Own your mistake and move on.    

[stony]

1 hour ago, blacklabel said:

 

To PromoTheRobot: I do not have a link. I googled around and came up empty.

 

This happened a couple years ago on Twitter. Tim was doing a little Q&A, someone that knows him or knows of the situation was tweeting at him about how he lost his job at ESPN and evidently, it was because of inappropriate comments made around female staff and/or engaging in spreading offensive emails meant as jokes. I think he was technically asked to resign. Either way, Tim kinda scrambled to cover up whatever this dude was saying. I don't recall him ever really denying it and I think it was kept on the low. Tim left ESPN in 2008, I believe, and back then things were still kept quiet when it came to stuff like this. 

 

I can't say I have any proof, and I couldn't find any links about it. But you can check my post history if you want. I'm not one to make sh*t up or start rumors. I watched the whole thing unfold on Twitter and the way Tim reacted to it definitely indicated to me that there was some level of truth to what this dude was saying. Tim claimed he had to block him or report him to Twitter to "protect his family" or something but like I said, his reaction to it said he was blindsided by it and that the guy posting about it probably did have some legitimate knowledge of Tim's exit from ESPN. 

 

I respect Tim as a writer. I think he puts together some very good pieces. Where I waver on my respect for him is how he engages people on social media. He doesn't pop up on my feed as often anymore because I don't read or interact much with what he tweets but he always seemed to be engaging with trolls and people he surely felt superior to and typically ignored anyone with a decent question or counterargument to one of his articles. Seems like a fair number of sports journalists do this, though. I dunno if it's a ego thing or whatever but it gets old after a while. 

Interesting.  Pretty sure he started at ESPN around 08/09.  TG has noted he turned down another contract at ESPN to return to the BN.  

[Mr. WEO]

28 minutes ago, LABillzFan said:

 

Once Biscuit gets done suing him, perhaps his career will get another shot covering the Macungie Muscrats AAA dodgeball team.

 

That would be great suit to read.  Good luck with that.

 

14 minutes ago, TigerJ said:

Rape is a horrific crime.  I only know what I can read in the news, and I try not to make judgment on what I don't know.  Here, I don't know all the specifics of the crime Bennett committed, but even more than that, I don't know what kind of person he is today.  To me, it doesn't matter how horrific the crime, if the criminal justice system saw fit not to execute him, and indeed to let him out on the street as a free man, I would try to make my judgments about him as a person as he is today, not 21 years ago..  I believe everybody should have a second chance, if they can demonstrate a change of heart.

 

You must have an equally soft spot in your heart for OJ then, right?

[BADOLBILZ]

2 hours ago, LABillzFan said:

 

Once Biscuit gets done suing him, perhaps his career will get another shot covering the Macungie Muscrats AAA dodgeball team.

 

 

The LAST thing Bennett or anyone else who got off easy for sex crimes in the past wants to do is dredge it back up in 2018.   Let alone violent sexual assault like in the case of Bennett.  

 

 

Edited June 5, 2018 by Hapless Bills Fan
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[Mr. WEO]

1 hour ago, 4merper4mer said:

Dirt bag?  Sure.  Rapist?  Up to you.  Convicted rapist?  That is simply false.

 

He was not convicted of rape, but he was convicted and he clearly raped her.

[John from Riverside]

I really wish Tim had not done this....he used to actually visit from time to time here on the board.

 

 

[oldmanfan]

Just now, Mr. WEO said:

 

He was not convicted of rape, but he was convicted and he clearly raped her.

And not convicted of rape.  Believe what you want; don't let facts alter your opinion.  And I say that thinking the guy is a scumball for his involvement in this.. 

[Mr. WEO]

7 minutes ago, oldmanfan said:

And not convicted of rape.  Believe what you want; don't let facts alter your opinion.  And I say that thinking the guy is a scumball for his involvement in this.. 

 

I believe I said exactly this in my first 6 words.  Take a step closer to your screen.

 

One can correctly say he raped this woman and was convicted of a crime as a result of his rape. 

 

A person who kills another person can plead down to manslaughter.  He or she would forever be a convicted killer (not "murderer").

 

Killers kill, rapists rape, regardless of what the DA calls it in the end....

Edited June 5, 2018 by Mr. WEO

[BADOLBILZ]

3 hours ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

What I don't "get" is why you appear to be defending Graham's behavior of using Jim Kelly's charity event and a sensationalized or inflated crime above what Bennett pled guilty to and served his sentence for, and moved on, to allegedly "settle a score" with a co-worker in public.

 

Is that behavior OK with you? 

 

 

The fact that it was Jim Kelly's charity event seems entirely inconsequential.    It wasn't about the event.   Nobody asked why JK invited a person who had done time after sex assault claims.    In 2018 people are getting called out for their past sexual assaults.   The perpetrators just gotta' deal with it.   Consequences.

[nedboy7]

With all the problems in the world this seems...... stupid. 

[Hapless Bills Fan]

1 hour ago, Trogdor said:

This is really an odd place to make your stand. Does pleading guilty to lesser crimes suddenly make him innocent? I don't think he inflated or sensationalized the crime at all. She had to get medical care because of him. This board can't seem to get out of there way to defend a sexual assault because they don't like the messenger. Probably how we've ended up with this good guy image of the Superbowl teams.

 

Where are you getting that anyone is defending a sexual assault, much less claiming the guy is innocent?

 

You appear to be creating positions so you can argue against them

 

 

[YoloinOhio]

48 minutes ago, dneveu said:

I guess off topic - but can people be rehabilitated?  I don't know what he did, but it was also 20 years ago... he attended anger management, did community service, substance abuse counseling etc.  Is it possible he's a better person now?  Like why is Tim Graham bringing this up?

LAMP? All I can think of. 

[Rico]

4 hours ago, dave mcbride said:

Just speculating here, but Graham is friends with JS and BG, and given recent events there perhaps some bad blood exists there over that. Always remember that Vic did a stint at nfl.com too, and that's a place with some corporate shill-ish/propaganda-ish tendencies. Regardless, I don't dislike Carucci as a reporter and think Graham was definitely out of line. But there's a decent chance that recent workplace layoff misery has generated some backbiting and taking of names. Note also that unlike Graham, Carucci had no positive tweets about his two longtime colleagues who were forced to resign. 

Interesting take, thanks. Something going on behind the scenes led to this, no doubt.

[corta765]

Whether your religious or not the biblical verse about throwing the first stone at those with sin is pretty true here. So many people are willing to judge from their glass house without any regard to their own life. Not saying Bennett isn't a jerk for what occurred but talk about awful rhetoric and time/place by Tim Graham.

[K-9]

40 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

 

Yes, you did.   Read your post.   You said "a crime he didn't commit".     I didn't twist your words you wrote them.   Graham was incorrect in calling him "convicted" even though Bennett served jail time.......and you were incorrect in saying he did not commit the crime.   He wasn't tried for it.  I guess you don't like it when you present something incorrectly and get called on it.   Own your mistake and move on.    

Graham said he was “convicted of rape.” Bennett did not get charged with or plead guilty to that crime, ergo it was a crime he “didn’t commit.” Your parsing of language and weak semantic argument is, AGAIN, indicative of your frequent intellectual dishonesty around here. 

 

And, just as you telling people they need to choose their words better, you, AGAIN, are the LAST person to suggest anyone here should own their mistake and move on. 

[BADOLBILZ]

3 hours ago, dave mcbride said:

Just speculating here, but Graham is friends with JS and BG, and given recent events there perhaps some bad blood exists there over that. Always remember that Vic did a stint at nfl.com too, and that's a place with some corporate shill-ish/propaganda-ish tendencies. Regardless, I don't dislike Carucci as a reporter and think Graham was definitely out of line. But there's a decent chance that recent workplace layoff misery has generated some backbiting and taking of names. Note also that unlike Graham, Carucci had no positive tweets about his two longtime colleagues who were forced to resign. 

 

Yeah something is going on there between TG and Vic.  The recent activity at TBN might have caused some to take moral inventory.   Vic was most certainly being called out.    It was a definite "this is hypocrisy" kinda' take.   Who knows?  Maybe Vic made some kind've move perceived as a skin-saver and upset TG and/or others.

 

Unfortunate to see this go down,  these are pretty much just working class dudes.........but it happens in all businesses it's just more public because of where they work and what their profession calls for.........reporting on a past time fans are passionate about.  

[Ridgewaycynic2013]

5 minutes ago, Rico said:

Interesting take, thanks. Something going on behind the scenes led to this, no doubt.

There was a lawyer in the region who defended a range of clients over the years for a variety of offence and crimes from minor to major.  No matter what the transgression, his excuse always was "Your Honour, my client had the misfortune of mixing alcohol and prescription drugs."  Sounds like a plan for Graham.  (I never said it was a good plan.)

[BADOLBILZ]

1 minute ago, K-9 said:

Graham said he was “convicted of rape.” Bennett did not get charged with or plead guilty to that crime, ergo it was a crime he “didn’t commit.” Your parsing of language and weak semantic argument is, AGAIN, indicative of your frequent intellectual dishonesty around here. 

 

And, just as you telling people they need to choose their words better, you, AGAIN, are the LAST person to suggest anyone here should own their mistake and move on. 

 

Talk about parsing language and a weak semantic approach.

 

Again.........it wasn't by any means necessarily a "crime he didn't commit".    In fact he served time, which indicates a good degree of guilt.

 

Don't quit your day job, counselor.