Could a plant-based diet turn things around for Charles Clay?

[Buffalo Barbarian]

No, high levels of collagen are needed for joint health and is why bone broth is all the rage.

 

Also red meat is not unhealthy, this myth needs to die. Grass fed beef is one of the best foods one can eat and has way more nutrients than chicken and fish.

 

 

 

[White Linen]

He doesn't miss that much time.  He's played in 3 less games than Gronk and Gronk played an additional year.  

[Augie]

5 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

Well, they're all on their own for the off season, no?

 

Good question though: how many of their meals are in the team facilities during the season?

 

Athletes get all kids of different ideas of what's best to eat.  And some of these guys, especially young guys, are all in on wings etc.

 

 

 

That would be the Karlos Williams Diet. 

 

 

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2 minutes ago, White Linen said:

He doesn't miss that much time.  He's played in 3 less games than Gronk and Gronk played an additional year.  

 

Sometimes it feels like he’s in the game and in witness protection at the same time....it’s the craziest thing! 

Edited May 29, 2018 by Augie

[Hapless Bills Fan]

5 minutes ago, Buffalo Barbarian said:

No, high levels of collagen are needed for joint health and is why bone broth is all the rage.

Also red meat is not unhealthy, this myth needs to die. Grass fed beef is one of the best foods one can eat and has way more nutrients than chicken and fish.

 

People can't seem to wrap their heads around the idea that feedlot, factory-farmed and grass-fed or free range meats are not the same, nutritionally.

 

 

[White Linen]

5 minutes ago, Augie said:

 

 

That would be the Karlos Williams Diet. 

 

 

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Sometimes it feels like he’s in the game and in witness protection at the same time....it’s the craziest thing! 

 

I know what you mean.  IMO, he's been a decent TE on a team with down right horrible passing statistics.  I just don't know how much more production we should have expected to this point.  He's not great but I'm just not as down on him as others.  

[Augie]

Just now, White Linen said:

 

I know what you mean.  IMO, he's been a decent TE on a team with down right horrible passing statistics.  I just don't know how much more production we should have expected to this point.  He's not great but I'm just not as down on him as others.  

 

I don’t think it’s fair to hate on the guy based on what he’s done as a Bill. Who know what he might do for say....the Patriots? I’m not sure how much was on him vs the QB or scheme. And then we play the Dolphins, and I get all confused again. 

[Victory Formation]

Oatmeal is a permanent fixture for breakfast for me, got to have complex carbs first thing in the morning, there is no other option. I'm strongly considering a high protein plant based diet but I don't know where to start. My diet has been absolutely garbage for 6 years.

[McBean]

#meatheals

[nucci]

44 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

Well, they're all on their own for the off season, no?

 

Good question though: how many of their meals are in the team facilities during the season?

 

Athletes get all kids of different ideas of what's best to eat.  And some of these guys, especially young guys, are all in on wings etc.

 

you'd better be if you're playing in Buffalo, right?

[klos63]

1 hour ago, elroy16 said:

 

 

Yes, I'm sure it was the team nutritionist telling him to eat a bunch of red meat and drink sugary drinks.

 

 

trouble comprehending? the nutritionist has him on a diet of basically just eliminating sugar and maybe some red meat- that's not nearly enough and certainly not plant based.

[MJS]

34 minutes ago, NewDayBills said:

Oatmeal is a permanent fixture for breakfast for me, got to have complex carbs first thing in the morning, there is no other option. I'm strongly considering a high protein plant based diet but I don't know where to start. My diet has been absolutely garbage for 6 years.

 

I think plant based would be a lot better diet for most people, simply because it cuts out a lot of fast food and other garbage.

 

I understand that protein is important, but I think a lot of people focus on that too much. I've never met anyone with a protein deficiency. People usually get plenty, even on a plant based diet. Now, a professional athlete would definitely need more, for sure.

[klos63]

40 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

People can't seem to wrap their heads around the idea that feedlot, factory-farmed and grass-fed or free range meats are not the same, nutritionally.

 

 

they all can contribute to heart disease and cancer.

1 minute ago, MJS said:

 

I think plant based would be a lot better diet for most people, simply because it cuts out a lot of fast food and other garbage.

 

I understand that protein is important, but I think a lot of people focus on that too much. I've never met anyone with a protein deficiency. People usually get plenty, even on a plant based diet. Now, a professional athlete would definitely need more, for sure.

something like 97% percent of the population has enough protein in their diet, about 97% don't have enough fiber, which is very important and not found in meat.

[Hapless Bills Fan]

13 minutes ago, nucci said:

you'd better be if you're playing in Buffalo, right?

 

I recall an interview with Bruce Smith where he discussed struggling with diet/fitness initially in Buffalo - going to the Big Tree Inn and eating 200 wings "they were so good".

So yeah, order of wings as an occasional treat - but better NOT be a dietary staple.

[klos63]

40 minutes ago, NewDayBills said:

Oatmeal is a permanent fixture for breakfast for me, got to have complex carbs first thing in the morning, there is no other option. I'm strongly considering a high protein plant based diet but I don't know where to start. My diet has been absolutely garbage for 6 years.

Don't get fixated on protein, it's one of those urban legend type things. Just eat a normal, healthy diet and you'll have plenty of protein. I've been vegan for years and my protein levels are right where they should be.

[Coach Tuesday]

I feel like I should be posting in this thread since it's a thread about veganism and I happen to be one.

 

There, I posted.

[Augie]

20 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

I recall an interview with Bruce Smith where he discussed struggling with diet/fitness initially in Buffalo - going to the Big Tree Inn and eating 200 wings "they were so good".

So yeah, order of wings as an occasional treat - but better NOT be a dietary staple.

 

As much as I like a GOOD wing, I rarely order them and an order of 5 is plenty. I had a buddy in town and we went to lunch at a pizza joint. He wanted some wings to go with the pizza. I said I’d only have a couple, so ten should be good. He said leftover would be a good idea (yuck! Not for wings!) so he ordered 20. I ate my 2, he finished the other 18 plus the pizza. I couldn’t do that if I tried. 

 

BTW - He’s gained over 50 pounds since I moved away about 7 years ago. He also orders the biggest piece of red meat on any menu. This stuff matters. 

 

 

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14 minutes ago, Coach Tuesday said:

I feel like I should be posting in this thread since it's a thread about veganism and I happen to be one.

 

There, I posted.

 

Thank you. That was very helpful!  ?

Edited May 29, 2018 by Augie

[Victory Formation]

26 minutes ago, MJS said:

 

I think plant based would be a lot better diet for most people, simply because it cuts out a lot of fast food and other garbage.

 

I understand that protein is important, but I think a lot of people focus on that too much. I've never met anyone with a protein deficiency. People usually get plenty, even on a plant based diet. Now, a professional athlete would definitely need more, for sure.

 

20 minutes ago, klos63 said:

Don't get fixated on protein, it's one of those urban legend type things. Just eat a normal, healthy diet and you'll have plenty of protein. I've been vegan for years and my protein levels are right where they should be.

Thanks.

[elroy16]

15 minutes ago, klos63 said:

trouble comprehending? the nutritionist has him on a diet of basically just eliminating sugar and maybe some red meat- that's not nearly enough and certainly not plant based.

 

 

The article clearly doesn't go into enough detail about his diet to make a conclusion of whether he's doing enough or not. Cutting out sugar and cutting back significantly on red meat are two solid steps.  

 

If to this point, he was eating "a ton of red meat" and drinking sugary drinks, even against the advice of other players, who knows if he's following the nutritionist's most strict diet. They probably came up with a plan that would help him eat better but something he was still comfortable with.

 

You act like the nutritionist for a professional football team doesn't know what he or she doing. 

 

[John from Riverside]

5 minutes ago, elroy16 said:

 

 

The article clearly doesn't go into enough detail about his diet to make a conclusion of whether he's doing enough or not. Cutting out sugar and cutting back significantly on red meat are two solid steps.  

 

If to this point, he was eating "a ton of red meat" and drinking sugary drinks, even against the advice of other players, who knows if he's following the nutritionist's most strict diet. They probably came up with a plan that would help him eat better but something he was still comfortable with.

 

You act like the nutritionist for a professional football team doesn't know what he or she doing. 

 

Too many "to go turtles"

[klos63]

3 minutes ago, elroy16 said:

 

 

The article clearly doesn't go into enough detail about his diet to make a conclusion of whether he's doing enough or not. Cutting out sugar and cutting back significantly on red meat are two solid steps.  

 

If to this point, he was eating "a ton of red meat" and drinking sugary drinks, even against the advice of other players, who knows if he's following the nutritionist's most strict diet. They probably came up with a plan that would help him eat better but something he was still comfortable with.

 

You act like the nutritionist for a professional football team doesn't know what he or she doing. 

 

Yep, doesn't sound like a healthy diet to me, and even though it shouldn't be an issue with Clay's salary, the nutritionist should be able to explain that eating meat and seafood is more expensive than a plant based diet. I don't think Clay wants to go shopping and actually prepare his own meals. That's where it becomes less expensive.