White Linen Posted May 3, 2018 Share Posted May 3, 2018 (edited) 12 minutes ago, MAJBobby said: It was a 1.28% raise. Big deal. Look at the Cap. It keeps going up so dont contracts. When it will get iffy is if the cap stops growing He got a 1.28% raise based on the cap %. 19.25 million / 30 million = 35.8% raise Edited May 3, 2018 by White Linen 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lurker Posted May 3, 2018 Share Posted May 3, 2018 1 hour ago, Ramza86 said: His broken body should sell for less. Guy always gets hurt. I would have massive injury incentives in that deal. Lol. Thanks for playing. Here's your parting gift... Year Age Tm Pos No. G GS QBrec Cmp Att Cmp% Yds TD TD% Int Int% Lng Y/A AY/A Y/C Y/G Rate QBR Sk Yds NY/A ANY/A Sk% 4QC GWD AV Career 149 142 94-48-0 3188 4895 65.1 38502 313 6.4 78 1.6 93 7.9 8.4 12.1 258.4 103.8 363 2331 6.88 7.40 6.9 11 17 157 2005 22 GNB 12 3 0 9 16 56.3 65 0 0.0 1 6.3 16 4.1 1.3 7.2 21.7 39.8 3 28 1.95 -0.42 15.8 0 2006 23 GNB 12 2 0 6 15 40.0 46 0 0.0 0 0.0 16 3.1 3.1 7.7 23.0 48.2 7.8 3 18 1.56 1.56 16.7 0 2007 24 GNB 12 2 0 20 28 71.4 218 1 3.6 0 0.0 43 7.8 8.5 10.9 109.0 106.0 78.0 3 24 6.26 6.90 9.7 1 2008 25 GNB QB 12 16 16 6-10-0 341 536 63.6 4038 28 5.2 13 2.4 71 7.5 7.5 11.8 252.4 93.8 64.4 34 231 6.68 6.64 6.0 1 2 14 2009* 26 GNB QB 12 16 16 11-5-0 350 541 64.7 4434 30 5.5 7 1.3 83 8.2 8.7 12.7 277.1 103.2 70.7 50 306 6.98 7.47 8.5 2 2 19 2010 27 GNB QB 12 15 15 10-5-0 312 475 65.7 3922 28 5.9 11 2.3 86 8.3 8.4 12.6 261.5 101.2 69.2 31 193 7.37 7.50 6.1 0 1 15 2011*+ 28 GNB QB 12 15 15 14-1-0 343 502 68.3 4643 45 9.0 6 1.2 93 9.2 10.5 13.5 309.5 122.5 84.5 36 219 8.22 9.39 6.7 0 1 23 2012* 29 GNB QB 12 16 16 11-5-0 371 552 67.2 4295 39 7.1 8 1.4 73 7.8 8.5 11.6 268.4 108.0 71.2 51 293 6.64 7.33 8.5 2 3 16 2013 30 GNB QB 12 9 9 6-3-0 193 290 66.6 2536 17 5.9 6 2.1 83 8.7 9.0 13.1 281.8 104.9 74.5 21 117 7.78 8.00 6.8 1 1 9 2014*+ 31 GNB QB 12 16 16 12-4-0 341 520 65.6 4381 38 7.3 5 1.0 80 8.4 9.5 12.8 273.8 112.2 78.3 28 174 7.68 8.65 5.1 1 1 21 2015* 32 GNB QB 12 16 16 10-6-0 347 572 60.7 3821 31 5.4 8 1.4 65 6.7 7.1 11.0 238.8 92.7 60.3 46 314 5.67 6.10 7.4 2 2 14 2016* 33 GNB QB 12 16 16 10-6-0 401 610 65.7 4428 40 6.6 7 1.1 60 7.3 8.1 11.0 276.8 104.2 73.8 35 246 6.48 7.24 5.4 0 2 18 2017 34 GNB qb 12 7 7 4-3-0 154 238 64.7 1675 16 6.7 6 2.5 72 7.0 7.2 10.9 239.3 97.2 60.9 22 168 5.80 5.99 8.5 2 2 7 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alphadawg7 Posted May 3, 2018 Share Posted May 3, 2018 1 hour ago, 26CornerBlitz said: Over paid him IMHO, but also had to because there was no way they would sign him for less. Dont get me wrong, he's a very good QB who I would be stoked if he was a Buffalo Bill. But he is not worth $30M a year, but its also very difficult to find a QB as good as Ryan. For me, only 4 guys are in the NFL today that are worthy of this much...Rogers, Brady, Brees, and Wilson. But, thats not how the NFL works...the next guy up, as long as he is pretty good, will be paid as if he is the best. I don't think anyone but the top 2 or 3 guys should get this kind of money, and even though Ryan is a very good QB, he is not IMO one of top 2 or 3 in the NFL. Too often his teams have come up short in the playoffs or flat out not made the playoffs. But again, there is zero percent chance he was going to get paid less and I get why the Falcons paid him. But for me, Ryan hasn't been enough...now with all this money in him, limits the more talent they can put around him. Where as guys like Brady can take a less talented team to SB championships. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foxx Posted May 3, 2018 Share Posted May 3, 2018 (edited) 1 hour ago, 26CornerBlitz said: wow! this is getting out of hand. not that it wasn't out of hand before..... Edited May 3, 2018 by Foxx Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gray Beard Posted May 3, 2018 Share Posted May 3, 2018 The QB gets crazy big bucks. Then they can’t afford stars at several other positions. Such as the O line. Then what happens? I feel as though the Pats winning streak is partly because they avoid this trap. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted May 3, 2018 Share Posted May 3, 2018 4 minutes ago, White Linen said: He got a 1.28% raise based on the cap %. 19.25 million / 30 million = 35.8% raise All that matters is the CAP against Percentage. 16.93% against an every rising cap is not big overpayments. I want to see a player negotiate a % against the cap contract ie gets a raise every year as the cap rises. That is when you are going to start seeing issues Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lurker Posted May 3, 2018 Share Posted May 3, 2018 1 minute ago, Gray Beard said: I feel as though the Pats winning streak is partly because they avoid this trap. Only because Brady is willing to take below market $$$. Not much of that going around today... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted May 3, 2018 Share Posted May 3, 2018 (edited) 2 minutes ago, Lurker said: Only because Brady is willing to take below market $$$. Not much of that going around today... Yeah it would be Nice if the NFL cracked down on the off cap money he gets from Kraft Edited May 3, 2018 by MAJBobby 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan4 Posted May 3, 2018 Share Posted May 3, 2018 Just now, LikeIGiveADarn said: To be completely fair, at this point, they should just get rid of the cap. Every team in the league is oozing money, and popular players leaving franchises for FA is not exactly great for long term jersey sales. Sure it is! lol A fan (usually) only buys a certain player's jersey once. If that player changes teams, a whole new set of fans can/will buy his jersey. And then the fan base from the team he left will buy a jersey for another player currently on the team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
White Linen Posted May 3, 2018 Share Posted May 3, 2018 5 minutes ago, MAJBobby said: All that matters is the CAP against Percentage. 16.93% against an every rising cap is not big overpayments. I want to see a player negotiate a % against the cap contract ie gets a raise every year as the cap rises. That is when you are going to start seeing issues It may be all that matters (relativity). I'm just saying that's not the raise he received in context. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boatdrinks Posted May 3, 2018 Share Posted May 3, 2018 12 minutes ago, Gray Beard said: The QB gets crazy big bucks. Then they can’t afford stars at several other positions. Such as the O line. Then what happens? I feel as though the Pats winning streak is partly because they avoid this trap. It may not be that big a part at all. The Pats winning streak is largely due to the presence of a single player. Does it help a bit that Brady's deal is below market? Sure, but not as much as you might think. The Pats have not been known as big spenders during their run, and last offseason's FA splurge was their first in recent memory. Their MO has been more about trading players while they still have value, rather than paying the big $$ to retain them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billspro Posted May 3, 2018 Share Posted May 3, 2018 34 minutes ago, MAJBobby said: Really hmmm go look at their percentage of cap when they won I don’t really feel like looking it up. Ben won on his rookie deal, Brady has always had a mid level QB contract, Manning was coming off neck surgery so I think he was only around 18 mil, and Brees was on his first free agent contract I believe before he broke the bank. I think Brady, Flacco, Wentz, and Wilson all prove that you are more likely to win with a smaller QB contract. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OrtonHearsaWho Posted May 3, 2018 Share Posted May 3, 2018 7 minutes ago, billspro said: I don’t really feel like looking it up. Ben won on his rookie deal, Brady has always had a mid level QB contract, Manning was coming off neck surgery so I think he was only around 18 mil, and Brees was on his first free agent contract I believe before he broke the bank. I think Brady, Flacco, Wentz, and Wilson all prove that you are more likely to win with a smaller QB contract. More likely? Almost absolutely not. It proves that it's possible, but if & only if your team also absolutely crushes it at the draft or player acquisition which not a lot of teams can say. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo ill Posted May 3, 2018 Share Posted May 3, 2018 I wonder if they will ever have a max contract system put in place. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsredneck1 Posted May 3, 2018 Share Posted May 3, 2018 remember when jim kelly became the 6 million dollar man? lol i remember the old timers saying that was ridiculous. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OrtonHearsaWho Posted May 3, 2018 Share Posted May 3, 2018 20 minutes ago, Buffalo ill said: I wonder if they will ever have a max contract system put in place. If that happens, the players should immediately get a new president of the NFLPA. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
njbuff Posted May 3, 2018 Share Posted May 3, 2018 I remember the days where Jim Kelly signed his original Bills contract......... It was 5 years at 7.5 - 8 million a year. And that was the richest contract in NFL history in 1986. My how times have changed in 32 years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aristocrat Posted May 3, 2018 Share Posted May 3, 2018 3 minutes ago, njbuff said: I remember the days where Jim Kelly signed his original Bills contract......... It was 5 years at 7.5 - 8 million a year. And that was the richest contract in NFL history in 1986. My how times have changed in 32 years. thats whats supposed to happen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
njbuff Posted May 3, 2018 Share Posted May 3, 2018 2 minutes ago, aristocrat said: thats whats supposed to happen NOOOOOOOO. That darn inflation thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CommonCents Posted May 3, 2018 Share Posted May 3, 2018 Yucky. Just good enough that you can’t really complain but not good enough where you’re excited paying him 30 million. If only he could trade in some of those stats for a bigger set of balls. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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