Josh Allen - Game Film Links

[26CornerBlitz]

3 minutes ago, Scorp83 said:

The complete sale job is starting... I'm screenshooting this post for later... man at least wait for training camp. I'd rather someone sale me on McCarron or Peterman right about now

 

No you wouldn't  That's a road to the same mediocrity we've know at QB for 22 years. 

[Scorp83]

Just now, 26CornerBlitz said:

 

No you wouldn't  That's a road to the same mediocrity we've know at QB for 22 years. 

True! Lol... I just don't believe in this kid. I hope I'm wrong... if I'm wrong that's a good thing. But he just screams out EJ, Locker, JP Losman, Gabbert...

[26CornerBlitz]

Just now, Scorp83 said:

True! Lol... I just don't believe in this kid. I hope I'm wrong... if I'm wrong that's a good thing. But he just screams out EJ, Locker, JP Losman, Gabbert...

 

At least they took a swing on the guy's tremendous upside with him as the classic boom or bust prospect.  Better than retreads and marginal prospects. 

[billsfan1959]

1 hour ago, Maine-iac said:

Jesus ........... first throw of the Central Michigan game was almost a pick.  Was this post supposed to be funny? Am I missing something?

Yes

[Big Gun]

14 minutes ago, Scorp83 said:

True! Lol... I just don't believe in this kid. I hope I'm wrong... if I'm wrong that's a good thing. But he just screams out EJ, Locker, JP Losman, Gabbert...

Why?

[Buffalo86]

1 hour ago, elltrain22 said:

 

Great post!! Did you see him at the senior Bowl?? Highly recommend watching. He looks like a star when paired with playmakers on offense and an offensive line that can withstand pressure for more than 2 seconds 

 

Here it is, in case it hasn't already been posted.  Pretty impressive.

 

 

Edited May 1, 2018 by Buffalo86

[Domdab99]

1 hour ago, Bangarang said:

Would this still be the case if he was drafted by the Jets?

 

lol, no, I'd still be standing by my original opinion of him and would be LOLing at the Jets, but then, I wouldn't have gone back and looked at these videos or did other research on him.

 

Plus, it's the Jets. No way that team could bring Allen along like the Bills could. 

[dlonce]

2 hours ago, OJABBA said:

 

 

I have seen this game pointed to as proof that he sucks. He is playing pretty damn good, but at the end of the game, the score is way out of hand, and he is forcing throws. He opens the game with a long string of completions. I'm not sure Tyrod has ever completed that many passes in a row on one drive.

 

Wow, you can really see his skill set in this game. He’s got great foot movement,slides around in the pocket and will throw it away when he has to.

You can see how outclassed his team was in this game and likely most games. If he gets any time in the pocket he’s going to be great,IMO.

[1billsfan]

26 minutes ago, Scorp83 said:

True! Lol... I just don't believe in this kid. I hope I'm wrong... if I'm wrong that's a good thing. But he just screams out EJ, Locker, JP Losman, Gabbert...

 

It's funny that you mentioned those specific four guys. All four of them seemed to have lacked a true self confidence in their ability. From all of the interviews I've seen these recent days, Allen seems have a genuine self confidence about himself and his abilities as a QB. If you were building a franchise QB, that would be far up there in the "must have" traits. You can't fake something like that at the NFL level.

 

 

Edited May 1, 2018 by 1billsfan

[Domdab99]

Those of you complaining about some of the bad INTs. yeah, he's not perfect. That much is clear. No QB is. But he's young, passionate about getting better, and now has first-rate coaching and talent behind him. I like his chances. 

[transplantbillsfan]

3 hours ago, Domdab99 said:

Just finished watching these edited game tapes with every Allen play on them:

 

 

*******

Okay, I'm an analytics guy. I believe in the numbers and think that the Bills would definitely benefit from having a HC who acts a little like the Eagles' HC - going for it on 4th down more often, etc. Anyone who remembers my ranting after the Colts snow game this year, will attest to my love of modern football, though. 

 

When it came to this year's draft, we obviously wanted to go for a franchise QB - but Allen was my 5th QB. All of this based solely on the numbers. I didn't see much of all of the QBs beyond highlight reels, and Allen's stats just screamed "bust" to me. The completion %, the AYA, etc...there was just no way his admittedly impressive skill set could translate to the NFL with those numbers. And I let you guys know it - not with just one, but two threads saying Josh Allen will be a huge bust. 

 

Well, I like to think I'm man enough if I discover I'm wrong about something, and I think I'm wrong about Josh Allen. 

 

After going through these game tapes, listening to Dilfer, Palmer, etc., seeing Allen's life-story and what kind of man he is...I've to to say, I'm really excited about having Allen as the Bill's QB. The kid is amazing.

 

Some things I've seen over the last few days of study:

 

• Allen can obviously make any throw on the field.
• His misses are almost always in a place where the defense cannot make a play on the ball.
• His accuracy issues are inflated. According to the stats, Wyoming only dropped 6 passes all year - well, look at the game film - I can pick out at least 6 times A GAME that his receivers drop the damn ball - or are too damn slow to catch up to a well-thrown ball. 
• His supporting cast was woefully slow and unimpressive. We know Allen has one of the quickest releases ever seen, yet he has to often wait for his receivers to get open before throwing the ball - putting him in more danger of being hit/sacked and/or throwing it into a crowd. 
• His OL was a freakin' sieve; he rarely had a clean pocket and was often running around trying to make something happen. 
• His feet are INCREDIBLE. I'm not talking about his well-documented issues with footwork while passing - I'm talking about his ability to get out of trouble and gain yardage when there is none to be found. Just amazing athletic ability. And he had to use that ability a lot.
• Sure, he air-mails a few here and there, but what QB doesn't? And he doesn't seem quite comfortable throwing swing passes, but that'll come. 

 

What I noticed more than anything was that Wyoming had ONE real player on the field - and that was obviously Allen. The running game was practically non-existent. Allen was the whole offense. 

 

Watch the Iowa game - the one BIG COLLEGE opponent they play. Wyoming is out-classed. But Allen is fine. He throws the ball where it's supposed to go, but gets no help from his teammates. they are slow and not as strong as Iowa, so they get swallowed up. 

 

Watch Texas State at 2:35 - he lofts a perfect ball to James Brice, but Brice can't catch up to the ball - he's not fast enough. It's like Allen has to hold back to get the ball to his guys sometimes. 

 

****

 

So what am I taking from all this? I also went back and looked at some of Carson Wentz's college games. I don't see much of a difference. While Allen is not quite the physical speciman Cam Newton is, it is obvious he has a much better arm and much better touch on the ball. 

 

Numbers don't lie. But they sometimes aren't the whole story. 

 

I was wrong. I mean, the kid still needs to prove it and he can still be a bust.

 

But I cannot wait to see Josh Allen in a Bill's uniform. 

 

Really awesomely well said. I feel about the exact same way.

 

Analytics hate him and say he's destined to be a bust. There's really no denying that. Gotta go back almost 4 decades to find a successful case study with the broad similarities to Allen.

 

All I've been doing since seeing we drafted him was looking at whatever I could find on YouTube.

 

 

 

The kid himself is driven and is going to have a chip on his shoulder for the rest of his life, most likely. Talk about a late bloomer... guess the main reasons he wasn't recruited was that he played somewhere no one from college really recruited and he was considered "small" (6'0 and 180 lbs by one account) up at least til his Junior year in HS. So he's been working his @$$ off ever since. 

Apparently his recall is fantastic,too, and he was excellent at the whiteboard with NFL teams

 

 

 

So my other worry of him being in an NFL offense like Wentz was but not really understanding it goes a little out the window.

 

 

Right there with you

[dlonce]

39 minutes ago, Scorp83 said:

True! Lol... I just don't believe in this kid. I hope I'm wrong... if I'm wrong that's a good thing. But he just screams out EJ, Locker, JP Losman, Gabbert...

 

Look at some of his game tape. He’s much more poised and polished. He throws a great ball and has great feet, both in and out of the pocket.  This kid is way better than your above referenced clowns. He’s athletic.

I threw **** (not literally)at my TV when we drafted Losman, I threw a bottle of beer at my nephews TV when we drafted Manuel (literally).

I deferred throwing anything this year because I truly didn’t know much about Allen.

 

 He took a lot of hits to make plays because his line and receivers were utter garbage. He threw picks because of his line and receivers, forcing balls when games were out of reach. He has surprising elusiveness and speed for a guy almost 6’5” and 245 pounds.

 

Check the tape. He doesn’t look like a college QB to me at all. 

I wasn’t a fan of his before but I am now.

[greeneblitz]

hallelujah

[QCity]

Wait a minute, someone on these forums watched the actual games?

 

That's not how scouting works. You're supposed to scour the internet for as many mock drafts and blogs you can find. Then aggregate the echo chamber's general opinion about the player and take a black or white hardline stance.

[Boatdrinks]

1 hour ago, Scorp83 said:

The complete sale job is starting... I'm screenshooting this post for later... man at least wait for training camp. I'd rather someone sale me on McCarron or Peterman right about now

Look , he'll probably suck. There's a good chance McCarron and Peterman suck too. AJM will likely be the QB1 through camp and into the early part of the season at least. Maybe midway through even. If none are any good, the Bills will draft another guy in a couple years. It's no big deal, especially if you already know they're going to be terrible. The only surprise possible is a pleasant one !

[thunderingsquid]

I like bullet #2 a lot.  Very interesting.

 

Mad props to the OP.

[Bookie Man]

I think Allen will be close to what the Raiders thought they were getting with JaMarcus. He seems like he's quite headstrong and has an extreme competitive drive.  The true 12 gauge.

[folz]

None of us knows yet how this will turn out, or which QB will turn out to be the best, but there is no doubt in my mind that the Bills picked the right kid for Buffalo: playing in weather, the Jim Kelly/Big Ben size and toughness, blue collar, confident but humble (unlike Rosen), wanted to be in Buffalo, work ethic, team-first guy, never quit attitude, etc. 

 

And as other posters have said, some people use the Nebraska game tape against him. But go back and watch just Allen's first 5 passes in that game to see why many think he projects well to the NFL. Yes, watching all of Allen's tape, you can't help but notice his athleticism, but with all of the designed roll-outs, rushes, and scrambles---due to the poor O-line play as much as his ability---it's sometimes hard to project him into the pros just watching those plays (even if some of them are his best). But in the Nebraska game, although his first throw is one of those designed roll-outs for a small gain, the next four throws are beautiful. Throw #2 is another roll-out, but without a man in his face this time, he throws a perfect 15 yard out on the run for a first down. The next throw he stays in the pocket and delivers a perfect, quick slant between two defenders for another first down on 3rd and 2. The fourth throw is another slant from the pocket on 2nd and 8 that goes for about 15. And then the 5th throw is also from the pocket, a six-yard out to the right sideline. Those four throws are all big time NFL throws from the pocket. I think those plays show that he doesn't just have the NFL toolset, but also some know how. The big question is can he become consistent at it? Now, he definitely needs to be coached up (among other things, he'll have to learn to throw the ball away more when nothing is open, to avoid the sacks or ill advised throws), but I think he's got more than a good chance of succeeding with the Bills.

 

Right guy in the right place at the right time.

 

Go Bills!

 

 

Edited May 1, 2018 by folz

[billspro]

5 hours ago, Domdab99 said:

Just finished watching these edited game tapes with every Allen play on them:

 

 

*******

Okay, I'm an analytics guy. I believe in the numbers and think that the Bills would definitely benefit from having a HC who acts a little like the Eagles' HC - going for it on 4th down more often, etc. Anyone who remembers my ranting after the Colts snow game this year, will attest to my love of modern football, though. 

 

When it came to this year's draft, we obviously wanted to go for a franchise QB - but Allen was my 5th QB. All of this based solely on the numbers. I didn't see much of all of the QBs beyond highlight reels, and Allen's stats just screamed "bust" to me. The completion %, the AYA, etc...there was just no way his admittedly impressive skill set could translate to the NFL with those numbers. And I let you guys know it - not with just one, but two threads saying Josh Allen will be a huge bust. 

 

Well, I like to think I'm man enough if I discover I'm wrong about something, and I think I'm wrong about Josh Allen. 

 

After going through these game tapes, listening to Dilfer, Palmer, etc., seeing Allen's life-story and what kind of man he is...I've to to say, I'm really excited about having Allen as the Bill's QB. The kid is amazing.

 

Some things I've seen over the last few days of study:

 

• Allen can obviously make any throw on the field.
• His misses are almost always in a place where the defense cannot make a play on the ball.
• His accuracy issues are inflated. According to the stats, Wyoming only dropped 6 passes all year - well, look at the game film - I can pick out at least 6 times A GAME that his receivers drop the damn ball - or are too damn slow to catch up to a well-thrown ball. 
• His supporting cast was woefully slow and unimpressive. We know Allen has one of the quickest releases ever seen, yet he has to often wait for his receivers to get open before throwing the ball - putting him in more danger of being hit/sacked and/or throwing it into a crowd. 
• His OL was a freakin' sieve; he rarely had a clean pocket and was often running around trying to make something happen. 
• His feet are INCREDIBLE. I'm not talking about his well-documented issues with footwork while passing - I'm talking about his ability to get out of trouble and gain yardage when there is none to be found. Just amazing athletic ability. And he had to use that ability a lot.
• Sure, he air-mails a few here and there, but what QB doesn't? And he doesn't seem quite comfortable throwing swing passes, but that'll come. 

 

What I noticed more than anything was that Wyoming had ONE real player on the field - and that was obviously Allen. The running game was practically non-existent. Allen was the whole offense. 

 

Watch the Iowa game - the one BIG COLLEGE opponent they play. Wyoming is out-classed. But Allen is fine. He throws the ball where it's supposed to go, but gets no help from his teammates. they are slow and not as strong as Iowa, so they get swallowed up. 

 

Watch Texas State at 2:35 - he lofts a perfect ball to James Brice, but Brice can't catch up to the ball - he's not fast enough. It's like Allen has to hold back to get the ball to his guys sometimes. 

 

****

 

So what am I taking from all this? I also went back and looked at some of Carson Wentz's college games. I don't see much of a difference. While Allen is not quite the physical speciman Cam Newton is, it is obvious he has a much better arm and much better touch on the ball. 

 

Numbers don't lie. But they sometimes aren't the whole story. 

 

I was wrong. I mean, the kid still needs to prove it and he can still be a bust.

 

But I cannot wait to see Josh Allen in a Bill's uniform. 

 

All good points. I went back and  watched more of his games and came away impressed. His 2016 tape is actually better than his 2017 tape because he had a much better team around him in 2016.

[BruceVilanch]

For every head scratcher he throws he also has throws where you say "How did he do that?" the kid has undeniable arm talent and a crazy quick release. I really hope once he is with a strong supporting cast he will shine. It will be beneficial for him to have Kelvin Benjamin to throw it up to. It will also be nice to have someone with an arm that can fit it in any window that is open. I am glad we will finally see someone who can use the middle of the field. All in all I am glad we finally took a risk and got "The Guy" our F/O wanted. In the end it will either set our franchise up for the next 10-15 years or set up back 5, here is to hoping we are set for the next decade plus. Go Bills