CuddyDark Posted April 30, 2018 Posted April 30, 2018 On 4/30/2018 at 8:16 PM, Fadingpain said: Cut to the chase: If Allen turns into a perfect clone of Cam, is it good enough? Expand Compared to Tyrod? Yes.
Kelly the Dog Posted April 30, 2018 Posted April 30, 2018 On 4/30/2018 at 8:21 PM, NoSaint said: They are common in being unpolished shut huge talents... beyond that, spotty. Not terrible but spotty as a comparable Expand Yep. Some clear similarities, a bunch of differences.
CuddyDark Posted April 30, 2018 Posted April 30, 2018 Short term if Allen is Cam, or Cam like Bills will win games. I don't know what means long term though. In the short, play defense, run the QB which opens Shady and possession receivers. It's a good formula for short term success.
DC Tom Posted April 30, 2018 Posted April 30, 2018 The Bills would have destroyed Newton, by not giving him the time nor surrounding him with the players he needed to develop. This does not give me a warm, fuzzy feeling.
Chuck Wagon Posted April 30, 2018 Posted April 30, 2018 IMO if Allen had cleaned up the accuracy just a little bit and played (and performed well) at a "football factory" school, he'd be the clear #1 pick this year.
John from Riverside Posted April 30, 2018 Posted April 30, 2018 On 4/30/2018 at 8:23 PM, Royale with Cheese said: He is. I consider him a franchise QB but lower level one. He's not elite. He is way too inconsistent to be elite. Expand The group you are talking about has like 5 qbs in it......we should definately be happy if we ended up with a "low end franchise qb" whatever that actually means anyway 3
Chuck Wagon Posted April 30, 2018 Posted April 30, 2018 On 4/30/2018 at 8:27 PM, DC Tom said: The Bills would have destroyed Newton, by not giving him the time nor surrounding him with the players he needed to develop. This does not give me a warm, fuzzy feeling. Expand Really? Rookie Cam had Steve Smith, Greg Olsen, and Williams / Stewart. That's ALL. I don't think Shady / Clay / Benjamin is THAT far off what Cam was working with.
Boatdrinks Posted April 30, 2018 Posted April 30, 2018 This shouldn't be surprising I guess. Beanes description of what a franchise QB looks like to him sounded an awful lot like Newton. Allen was the closest to that description, though there are many differences ;he was a late bloomer in a mediocre conference on a bad team. It's safe to say he sees a player capable of similar things in the NFL as Newton has done. It's also clear that his ideal franchise QB did not sound like Josh Rosen. Beane took a gamble on greatness, and it's too big a risk in my estimation. Admittedly I haven't done nearly the research that he and the Bills scouting department have, and it's not my job on the line either. I sure hope it works out and I'm rooting for the guy to be the QB we haven't seen around here in a long time. If he ends up a comparable of Newton, I'd be happy with that.
BuffaloHokie13 Posted April 30, 2018 Posted April 30, 2018 On 4/30/2018 at 7:46 PM, wppete said: I bet If you look at Luke Kuechlys scouting report it looks similar to Tremain Edmunds. Josh Allen - Cam Newton Tremain Edmunds - Luke Kuechly Expand Tremaine isn't Luke. Luke had phenomenal instincts, but Tremaine just isn't there yet. He just makes up for it with raw athleticism. 1
D. L. Hot-Flamethrower Posted April 30, 2018 Posted April 30, 2018 Big Wonderlic disparity too Allen 37 , Newton 21. The main thing about the comparison is that a big, strong armed QB who had foot work issues became a stud NFL QB. 1
NoSaint Posted April 30, 2018 Posted April 30, 2018 On 4/30/2018 at 8:24 PM, Kelly the Dog said: Yep. Some clear similarities, a bunch of differences. Expand Itll sound crazy at first but.... Andrew luck? Prototype build, high IQ, sub-60% career completion percentage, big arm, mobile but not a big time runner... obviously very different pedigrees, but... would that be a better current comp for Allen’s upside (ignoring the shoulder injury) 1
Domdab99 Posted April 30, 2018 Posted April 30, 2018 If you look at my scouting report, I'm quite similar to George Clooney. 1
BuffaloHokie13 Posted April 30, 2018 Posted April 30, 2018 On 4/30/2018 at 8:39 PM, NoSaint said: Itll sound crazy at first but.... Andrew luck? Prototype build, high IQ, sub-60% career completion percentage, big arm, mobile but not a big time runner... obviously very different pedigrees, but... would that be a better current comp for Allen’s upside (ignoring the shoulder injury) Expand It's Wentz. Identical measurables, FCS School, Same college coach & system, 2 full years of production. The whole shabang.
Boatdrinks Posted April 30, 2018 Posted April 30, 2018 On 4/30/2018 at 8:35 PM, BuffaloHokie13 said: Tremaine isn't Luke. Luke had phenomenal instincts, but Tremaine just isn't there yet. He just makes up for it with raw athleticism. Expand Agree , not the same player. He's still learning the position, so hopefully he improves in that area. He does have the ability to make up for a misstep though.
Buffalo_Stampede Posted April 30, 2018 Posted April 30, 2018 On 4/30/2018 at 7:30 PM, dave mcbride said: What really separates Newton is 4,320 rushing yards and 54 rushing TDs over his career. Expand Different offenses. Allen could easily run for 1,000 yards in Gus Malzahn's offense. Allen has that ability with his legs. What separates them is Newton's ability to put the team on his back. Make the plays to win games.
Bills4life1924 Posted April 30, 2018 Posted April 30, 2018 On 4/30/2018 at 8:16 PM, Hapless Bills Fan said: If in an imaginary world, Josh Allen was a former JUCO champion, BCS champion, and Heisman winner with 66% completion and 1400 yds rushing his last college year, most fans would be ecstatic too. Expand Got me there lol.. Guy has potential, he could pan out, he may not pan out. But fans/media bashing him should atleast give him a chance and Let's wait to see what happens before labeling him a bust. Everyone is gonna have their opinion I guess.
wppete Posted April 30, 2018 Posted April 30, 2018 On 4/30/2018 at 8:35 PM, BuffaloHokie13 said: Tremaine isn't Luke. Luke had phenomenal instincts, but Tremaine just isn't there yet. He just makes up for it with raw athleticism. Expand Agreed he is not there yet. However only 19, the most athletic ILB I have ever seen, incredible size and length and come from a football family. At the end of the day I believe Tremaine ends up a better ILB
Hapless Bills Fan Posted April 30, 2018 Posted April 30, 2018 On 4/30/2018 at 8:24 PM, CuddyDark said: Compared to Tyrod? Yes. Expand What about compared to our mythical Magical Franchise Man who will lead our team to glory and 5 SB wins? On 4/30/2018 at 8:45 PM, Bills4life1924 said: Got me there lol.. Guy has potential, he could pan out, he may not pan out. But fans/media bashing him should atleast give him a chance and Let's wait to see what happens before labeling him a bust. Everyone is gonna have their opinion I guess. Expand Oh, agree completely on the "see what happens before calling him a bust" bit. Someone else said it, draft grades right after the draft are pretty f*'in pointless. As I've said before, I would have strongly preferred Rosen, not based on pundits but based on watching a buttload of game tape and scouting vid. - also my own previous errors of thinking two QBs with low completion % would improve. I have my fears that our gang made a draft choice for non-football reasons. But even though Allen is raw I can also see obvious football reasons why some scouts would rank him higher. And he's ours now, so I'll pull for his success!
NoSaint Posted April 30, 2018 Posted April 30, 2018 On 4/30/2018 at 8:41 PM, BuffaloHokie13 said: It's Wentz. Identical measurables, FCS School, Same college coach & system, 2 full years of production. The whole shabang. Expand Yea- I was trying to give a curveball that relied on traits and stepped away from pedigree. Wentz is the obvious choice but I think folks forget that luck is athletic and sub 60%. Identical wonderlic scores too. If you dropped allen at Stanford under harbaugh would we talk about them more similarly?
ngbills Posted April 30, 2018 Posted April 30, 2018 On 4/30/2018 at 7:46 PM, wppete said: I bet If you look at Luke Kuechlys scouting report it looks similar to Tremain Edmunds. Josh Allen - Cam Newton Tremain Edmunds - Luke Kuechly Expand Star - Star Tolbert - Tolbert Benjamin - Benjamin On and on
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