MrEpsYtown Posted April 30, 2018 Share Posted April 30, 2018 His throw away line about Edmunds being an off ball linebacker is just stupid. Like is he implying we didn't get good value? Does he think teams should pass on Brian Urlacher, Ray Lewis, Luke Kuechly etc etc because they are off ball linebackers? It's dumb and lazy. I think I will go with Bob Babich's opinion on Edmunds. He developed Urlacher, Lance Briggs, Telvin Smith etc etc. I take his opinions on Edmunds much more than some dork at a computer. He also implies that McDermott has too much power which seems like a weird thing to say. What the Browns did, allowing their head coach to have zero say is dumb. I believe McDermott and Beane work hand in hand and take feedback from all of the experienced guys around him. How do all of these so called analyst get paid for this bullcrap? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dlonce Posted April 30, 2018 Share Posted April 30, 2018 3 hours ago, Ifartalot said: What Arizona gave up to trade up for Rosen did make it look like the Bills overpaid for Allen. Thats because no one was bidding against them. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldmanfan Posted April 30, 2018 Share Posted April 30, 2018 I could care less about his reviews, just as I could care less about the ones that gave the Bills an A+. It's all just nonsense until they actually play NFL football. Some of these guys purposely write over the top stuff to get more hits. Don't fall for their traps. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Agent 91 Posted April 30, 2018 Share Posted April 30, 2018 3 hours ago, RyanC883 said: not liking the Edmunds pick should disqualify anyone from ranking a draft EVER again. He was a top 10 talent by almost any measure and by anyone who ranks prospects. He is 20 freaking years old. We could have found our Defensive QB for the next 15 years. Think about that. And then you have Phillips in front of him when KW and Star retire. Still lukewarm on the Allen pick. But overall, another great draft. Won't surprise me if we end up with 3 starters out of it (Edmunds, Wyatt, and Phillips--I think he beats out Star for starting in the rotation by the end of the year). I have him beating Kyle. Not Star. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoBills808 Posted April 30, 2018 Share Posted April 30, 2018 Can't overpay for a franchise QB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LabattBlue Posted April 30, 2018 Share Posted April 30, 2018 4 minutes ago, GoBills808 said: Can't overpay for a franchise QB. Unless he ends up busting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoBills808 Posted April 30, 2018 Share Posted April 30, 2018 Just now, LabattBlue said: Unless he ends up busting. Dammit the one angle I overlooked! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Agent 91 Posted April 30, 2018 Share Posted April 30, 2018 3 hours ago, Like A Mofo said: http://www.rotoworld.com/articles/nfl/79502/61/silvas-2018-nfl-mock-draft So wait, Silva correctly predicts the Bills get Josh Allen, projects Tremaine Edwards #9 overall and the Bills get a D+ grade? Just look at his mugshot. Enough said. Tool with a capital T. He didnt like Allen he just knew we would be the team that falls in love with Allen. and I think you have to read the whole article to see where the D came from. I really dont get the Teron pick and Silva said he was more of a safety. Which means that he estimates we drafted back to back safeties. Is he right? Dont know. He also basically stated that we wasted our last two on Proehl and Ray Ray. Once again he could be wrong. I get the grade range. We really got 2 certain starters in Edmund's and also Teller. Phillip's SHOULD eventually become one. Allen maybe. I think just keeping both seconds would have seen a higher grade from him. I think what he says should be taken with a grain. It was just something to read and think about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dlonce Posted April 30, 2018 Share Posted April 30, 2018 2 minutes ago, Agent 91 said: He didnt like Allen he just knew we would be the team that falls in love with Allen. and I think you have to read the whole article to see where the D came from. I really dont get the Teron pick and Silva said he was more of a safety. Which means that he estimates we drafted back to back safeties. Is he right? Dont know. He also basically stated that we wasted our last two on Proehl and Ray Ray. Once again he could be wrong. I get the grade range. We really got 2 certain starters in Edmund's and also Teller. Phillip's SHOULD eventually become one. Allen maybe. I think just keeping both seconds would have seen a higher grade from him. I think what he says should be taken with a grain. It was just something to read and think about. Allen should become a starter as well. WHEN is the question. I don’t believe he will sit the entire year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Who Posted April 30, 2018 Share Posted April 30, 2018 1 hour ago, Real McCoy said: This post is spot on. All the back and forth drama on who to take and how much to trade up for our QB the last month here kept me off the boards. Now people preferences have completely clouded their mind like the "Not my president" gang as the Bills did not draft the guy they had rated higher. Not my QB is the new title for these guys that can't adopt. What's also comical is some would have traded the entire draft for Rosen at #2 and (1st rd) draft stock next year. We get Allen at a fraction of that cost and still land Edmunds and those same posters (names withheld) are trashing the FO. There are some serious TBD GM's around here that know better than Beane and our professional scouts. I'm sure Beane and Co. know there is about a 30% chance Allen will work out to be a true franchise QB the next 15 years.. The same applies to the rest of the big 4 as history has told us over and over again. People just don't know how to TRUST after being beat down by so many failed regimes of years past. This FO is different and you already seen us break THE 18 year playoff drought end. I'm sure their PROCESS for determining Allen is the guy was scrubbed over and over again until the decision to draft him was made and completed. Well argued, but some folks are still going to say Terry Pegula went to the combine, saw Allen throw impressively in shorts against air, and mandated the pick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted April 30, 2018 Share Posted April 30, 2018 1 hour ago, SouthNYfan said: Agreed. We "overpaid" the QB premium on draft pick cost, similar to what the Jets did. Draft value charts don't take into account positional value. The Cardinals actually paid BELOW normal market value on the trade value chart, so when taking the QB premium into account, they got a steal, but also may not have got the guy they really wanted. We amassed draft capital over the past 12+ months up give us the ability to "overpay" without crippling this year/future drafts. Did we take the right QB? Time will tell, but we all least got the guy that our front office and coaching staff wanted, while not giving up the farm (we didn't even give up the prized hog) and walked away with a potential franchise QB and a likely 10+ year linebacker defensive captain. I'm good with the outcome. Just get the kid a line and somebody to catch the balls he's launching from that howitzer. Word. Love the "hog" analogy. Though by the tried-and-true reference to big OLmen as "Hog Mollies", I guess we kind of did give up a prized hog? Still worth it to draft the best QB they could, and 100% on board with them "going for it" to have their choice instead of sitting pat and taking what falls to them. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJS Posted April 30, 2018 Share Posted April 30, 2018 He says McDermott has struggled since becoming head coach? By having a winning season in his first year and breaking a 17 year playoff drought? Needless to say, I don't understand that comment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted April 30, 2018 Share Posted April 30, 2018 9 minutes ago, GoBills808 said: Dammit the one angle I overlooked! You didn't. You said "franchise QB." Hence not a bust. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted April 30, 2018 Share Posted April 30, 2018 4 hours ago, PromoTheRobot said: Of course I love the hypocrisy over the picks that were traded to move up. All I heard going in was no price was too high for your franchise QB. "Trade every pick if you have to! No other position matters! What are you saving those picks for anyway?" It's hard to take anything seriously anymore. To be fair, quite possibly they are not the same people? There were people before the draft who were saying we should stay put, "let the draft come to us" and fill holes. At a guess, they are likely the same people who now say we gave up too much. There were some of us where were saying "if there's someone you want, Go After Him, I don't care what it costs". At a guess, those are likely the same people who now think it's genius that we traded up twice for 2 1st rounders and kept next year's draft 100% intact. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aristocrat Posted April 30, 2018 Share Posted April 30, 2018 The future ramifications of Allen succeeds will be more guys with the size and big arms might get drafted higher. Or he could be the guy we all talk about if a similar prospect comes out Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cba fan Posted April 30, 2018 Share Posted April 30, 2018 (edited) 3 hours ago, Oberyn said: This guy is a clown who is grading teams based on how closely they did what HE thought they should do. Look no further than his review of the Jets. While he kills the bills for giving up 2 2nd round picks to move up 5 spots, the Jets get an "A-" for giving up 3 2nd round picks to move up 3 spots (and he specifically cites this trade as being great and a reason for the high trade). The difference? They got Sam Darnold and his flock of seagulls haircut, whom HE had decided was the number 1 QB in the draft. Not sure if it is the haircut that makes him look so odd or the Sponge Bob Square Pants head shape......lol Edited April 30, 2018 by cba fan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted April 30, 2018 Share Posted April 30, 2018 15 minutes ago, Dr. Who said: Well argued, but some folks are still going to say Terry Pegula went to the combine, saw Allen throw impressively in shorts against air, and mandated the pick. I'm not worried about Pegula being impressed by Allen in shorts and mandating the pick. I don't think that's Peg's style. Based on the NY Times leak of the "kneeling" meeting, I'm worried that Pegula feared political controversy and vetoed drafting Rosen for non-football reasons, because he might generate controversy in years to come. It's not a huge worry, because I see legitimate football arguments in favor of the Allen pick and aligning well with Beane and McDermott's background in Carolina, but it does waft gently through the back of my mind from time to time. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted April 30, 2018 Share Posted April 30, 2018 23 minutes ago, Agent 91 said: He didnt like Allen he just knew we would be the team that falls in love with Allen. and I think you have to read the whole article to see where the D came from. I really dont get the Teron pick and Silva said he was more of a safety. Which means that he estimates we drafted back to back safeties. Is he right? Dont know. He also basically stated that we wasted our last two on Proehl and Ray Ray. Once again he could be wrong. I get the grade range. We really got 2 certain starters in Edmund's and also Teller. Phillip's SHOULD eventually become one. Allen maybe. I think just keeping both seconds would have seen a higher grade from him. I think what he says should be taken with a grain. It was just something to read and think about. A huge grain of salt. It's obvious he doesn't know what he's talking about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SouthNYfan Posted April 30, 2018 Share Posted April 30, 2018 32 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: Word. Love the "hog" analogy. Though by the tried-and-true reference to big OLmen as "Hog Mollies", I guess we kind of did give up a prized hog? Still worth it to draft the best QB they could, and 100% on board with them "going for it" to have their choice instead of sitting pat and taking what falls to them. Exactly. Go big or go home. Make the calculated risk. If it pays off nobody cares what you spent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted April 30, 2018 Share Posted April 30, 2018 22 minutes ago, cba fan said: Not sure if it is the haircut that makes him look so odd or the Sponge Bob Square Pants head shape......lol OMG Edmunds nose Darnolds hair what's next. Wait wait don't tell me..... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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