BillsFan130 Posted April 27, 2018 Share Posted April 27, 2018 (edited) Allen or Mccaron? I may be in the minority, but I think Allen will win the job in pre season Edited April 27, 2018 by billsfan11 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sammy Watkins' Rib Posted April 27, 2018 Share Posted April 27, 2018 If Allen out right wins the job over McCarron that would actually be a great sign. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JinxedBill1 Posted April 27, 2018 Share Posted April 27, 2018 I'd like Allen to win it but my money's on AJ starting 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted April 27, 2018 Share Posted April 27, 2018 I think it will be AJ. Eager to see the rookie though as much I still have to talk myself off the ledge on the pick. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan130 Posted April 27, 2018 Author Share Posted April 27, 2018 Just now, Sammy Watkins' Rib said: If Allen out right wins the job over McCarron that would actually be a great sign. True. If it is equal, I would still give it to Allen. He is the future of the franchise so throw the kid into the fire and let him learn right away Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted April 27, 2018 Share Posted April 27, 2018 Allen needs to hold a clip board for a while....AJM starts 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted April 27, 2018 Share Posted April 27, 2018 5 minutes ago, billsfan11 said: True. If it is equal, I would still give it to Allen. He is the future of the franchise so throw the kid into the fire and let him learn right away This is what i would have said with any of the other top 4 QBs. Just don’t feel he’s ready, which is why I never thought they would take him given their lack of an actual starter in the QB rooms Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan130 Posted April 27, 2018 Author Share Posted April 27, 2018 (edited) 2 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: This is what i would have said with any of the other top 4 QBs. Just don’t feel he’s ready, which is why I never thought they would take him given their lack of an actual starter in the QB rooms I hear ya. He definitely is going to be a project. Let's just hope he will be further along than we think Edited April 27, 2018 by billsfan11 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Stampede Posted April 27, 2018 Share Posted April 27, 2018 Allen shouldn't play until the Bills have no choice. I would wait 2 years if possible. Give Mccarron his shot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alphadawg7 Posted April 27, 2018 Share Posted April 27, 2018 13 minutes ago, billsfan11 said: Allen or Mccaron? I may be in the minority, but I think Allen will win the job in pre season I voted AJ, but I definitely feel Allen can totally win the job in the preseason. I think ideally, with any young QB the best scenario is for them to sit as long as they can. But him and AJ couldn't be more different. Allen has a cannon and mobility, if he comes in and starts wowing, I can easily see him winning the job since AJ is no lock to have a strong preseason either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bills6969 Posted April 27, 2018 Share Posted April 27, 2018 No way Allen plays next year Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
{::'KayCeeS::} Posted April 27, 2018 Share Posted April 27, 2018 Obviously McCarron. That's why we signed him, knowing we wanted Allen, who everyone knows is a grower and not a shower! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan130 Posted April 27, 2018 Author Share Posted April 27, 2018 (edited) 6 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said: I voted AJ, but I definitely feel Allen can totally win the job in the preseason. I think ideally, with any young QB the best scenario is for them to sit as long as they can. But him and AJ couldn't be more different. Allen has a cannon and mobility, if he comes in and starts wowing, I can easily see him winning the job since AJ is no lock to have a strong preseason either. Fair points. I was always old school in terms of letting the VET start until last year when l I saw what Houston did. Started Tom Savage then went to Watson and worked out great until the injury. I get the scenarios are completely different, but maybe their best bet is just to let the kid learn. Allen is the future and Mccaron is just the place holder 3 minutes ago, {::'KayCeeS::} said: Obviously McCarron. That's why we signed him, knowing we wanted Allen, who everyone knows is a grower and not a shower! Beane said he wants open competition in camp. Mccaron is virtually signed for backup money Edited April 27, 2018 by billsfan11 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted April 27, 2018 Share Posted April 27, 2018 (edited) 21 minutes ago, Sammy Watkins' Rib said: If Allen out right wins the job over McCarron that would actually be a great sign. Hopefully Allen because it means he earned it... well, that is if McCarron is any good...if McCarron sucks it basically is him being handed the job because they don't want option B... Bills have quite a collection of hot WAGs(Wives and Girlfriends) going on...McCarron, Allen and Poyer are all married to or dating stunners.... Edited April 27, 2018 by matter2003 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
{::'KayCeeS::} Posted April 27, 2018 Share Posted April 27, 2018 1 minute ago, billsfan11 said: Beane said he wants open competition in camp. Mccaron is virtually signed for backup money Allen is NOT starting day one. The oldest cliche in the book is "Open Competition". I've already ditched my Rosen mancrush and jumped on the Allen bandwagon, but still, let's be honest here... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PromoTheRobot Posted April 27, 2018 Share Posted April 27, 2018 16 minutes ago, John from Riverside said: Allen needs to hold a clip board for a while....AJM starts Didn't Aaron Rodgers sit a long while? Get ready for a long spell with the clipboard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alphadawg7 Posted April 27, 2018 Share Posted April 27, 2018 3 minutes ago, billsfan11 said: Fair points. I was always old school in terms of letting the VET start until last year when l I saw what Houston did. Started Tom Savage then went to Watson and worked out great until the injury. I get the scenarios are completely different, but maybe their best bet is just to let the kid learn. Allen is the future and Mccaron is just the place holder Beane said he wants open competition in camp. Mccaron is virtually signed for backup money Also fair points...but there is more to consider here. There is a lot to gain by starting AJ...because if he plays well you have trade value next year. You can trade him to start Allen like how KC flipped Alex Smith to make room for Mahomes. And if AJ plays great, you can always hold Allen and AJ one more year and see if AJ cements the job and trade Allen instead and get some picks back. So, I do think there is more to gain by letting AJ play first. However, I do see how Allen might win the job outright in camp, and I would be good with that. But if they are close, I think you let AJ play first. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan130 Posted April 27, 2018 Author Share Posted April 27, 2018 Just now, {::'KayCeeS::} said: Allen is NOT starting day one. The oldest cliche in the book is "Open Competition". I've already ditched my Rosen mancrush and jumped on the Allen bandwagon, but still, let's be honest here... You very may well be correct. But Mccaron is signed for dirt cheap. The Bills in no way are heavily invested in him for this year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seanbillsfan2206 Posted April 27, 2018 Share Posted April 27, 2018 No debate whatsoever. McCarron will start all season. Baring injury obviously Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimer1960 Posted April 27, 2018 Share Posted April 27, 2018 Allen is a bet on great physical tools and, reportedly, a good work ethic and intelligence. Wyoming to the NFL is a huge step up in competition AND the trades tonight have depleted the team of valuable draft picks who might have brought badly needed OL and WR help. if they are smart, they will not throw the rookie in behind that dumpster fire OL with little receiving help to boot. unfortunately, McCarron is the sacrificial lamb to take one for the team. This has the look of a team that has top 10, maybe top 5, pick potential. I’m thinking 6-10 in the optimistic end. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBaumer Posted April 27, 2018 Share Posted April 27, 2018 Allen better not see the field in 2018. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BullBuchanan Posted April 27, 2018 Share Posted April 27, 2018 I hope McCarron keeps Allen on the bench for his entire career as a bill and we trade his sorry Rob Johnson ass to the Jaguars for multiple 1rsts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bills6969 Posted April 27, 2018 Share Posted April 27, 2018 Next year will be a looooooooooong year Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan130 Posted April 27, 2018 Author Share Posted April 27, 2018 1 minute ago, Alphadawg7 said: Also fair points...but there is more to consider here. There is a lot to gain by starting AJ...because if he plays well you have trade value next year. You can trade him to start Allen like how KC flipped Alex Smith to make room for Mahomes. And if AJ plays great, you can always hold Allen and AJ one more year and see if AJ cements the job and trade Allen instead and get some picks back. So, I do think there is more to gain by letting AJ play first. However, I do see how Allen might win the job outright in camp, and I would be good with that. But if they are close, I think you let AJ play first. Was Mccaron's deal a 1 year or 2 year deal? I can't remember. Was it 2 years at 12 mil or something? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
{::'KayCeeS::} Posted April 27, 2018 Share Posted April 27, 2018 Just now, billsfan11 said: You very may well be correct. But Mccaron is signed for dirt cheap. The Bills in no way are heavily invested in him for this year. No, of course not, that's why they traded up for Allen. But they did sign McCarron for a specific reason: to be the bridge! Everyone wants to pie-in-the-sky like Allen will all of a sudden, now that he's ours, become an instant pro-ready QB, but guess what, peeps, he's still the same dude he was four hours ago! It's just very straightforward, imo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan130 Posted April 27, 2018 Author Share Posted April 27, 2018 2 minutes ago, Seanbillsfan2206 said: No debate whatsoever. McCarron will start all season. Baring injury obviously All season? I disagree with that. You may be certainly be right about week 1. But if AJ stinks up the joint and the Bills start off 1-6, there is a strong chance Allen would see game action Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alphadawg7 Posted April 27, 2018 Share Posted April 27, 2018 1 minute ago, billsfan11 said: Was Mccaron's deal a 1 year or 2 year deal? I can't remember. Was it 2 years at 12 mil or something? Two year deal...so if he has a solid season, we could potentially flip him this offseason if Allen is ready to start. Or, again if he has a very good season, then we let him payout that 2nd year and see if he keeps the job, and if so they would obviously be in position to move Allen too. Personally, I think Allen will eventually win the job, but AJ could play well enough to fetch us a decent draft pick in a trade too. I mean we just flipped Tyrod for a pretty good draft pick. Beane is a wizard 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan130 Posted April 27, 2018 Author Share Posted April 27, 2018 1 minute ago, {::'KayCeeS::} said: No, of course not, that's why they traded up for Allen. But they did sign McCarron for a specific reason: to be the bridge! Everyone wants to pie-in-the-sky like Allen will all of a sudden, now that he's ours, become an instant pro-ready QB, but guess what, peeps, he's still the same dude he was four hours ago! It's just very straightforward, imo. Seattle signed Charlie Whitehurst to be the bridge in 2012 for more money than AJ even In the modern day cap, and Wilson ended up winning the job. Combined that with teams throwing rookies more into the fire, there is absolutely no guarantee who starts week 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted April 27, 2018 Share Posted April 27, 2018 10 minutes ago, matter2003 said: Hopefully Allen because it means he earned it... well, that is if McCarron is any good...if McCarron sucks it basically is him being handed the job because they don't want option B... Bills have quite a collection of hot WAGs(Wives and Girlfriends) going on...McCarron, Allen and Poyer are all married to or dating stunners.... Pic of Allen’s GF? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan130 Posted April 27, 2018 Author Share Posted April 27, 2018 1 minute ago, Alphadawg7 said: Two year deal...so if he has a solid season, we could potentially flip him this offseason if Allen is ready to start. Or, again if he has a very good season, then we let him payout that 2nd year and see if he keeps the job, and if so they would obviously be in position to move Allen too. Personally, I think Allen will eventually win the job, but AJ could play well enough to fetch us a decent draft pick in a trade too. I mean we just flipped Tyrod for a pretty good draft pick. Beane is a wizard You have very reasonable points 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brianmoorman4jesus Posted April 27, 2018 Share Posted April 27, 2018 I think AJ starts all year but don’t count Nate out all together. He will be the only qb to be around this Head Coach for 2 years and you never know what familiarity can do for a guy. Obviously they liked him last year and maybe his trial by fire in SD will turn him into a player. You never know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sammy Watkins' Rib Posted April 27, 2018 Share Posted April 27, 2018 33 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: This is what i would have said with any of the other top 4 QBs. Just don’t feel he’s ready, which is why I never thought they would take him given their lack of an actual starter in the QB rooms If he is playing equally with McCarron then why wouldn't he be ready? For that to be the case McCarron would have to regress. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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