502Buffs Posted March 26, 2018 Author Share Posted March 26, 2018 2 minutes ago, Blokestradamus said: Oh, one other thing. If you think he needs to switch positions, go with RB and not WR. He actually has RB traits. Did anyone even watch the highlight video I posted? Several NFL throws in there. He doesn't need to change positions. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blokestradamus Posted March 26, 2018 Share Posted March 26, 2018 1 minute ago, joesixpack said: I don't think he needs to switch positions. I just don't want him anywhere near Buffalo as a QB. I really have no objections to anyone that dislikes him as a QB. I'm hesitant to draft him if I'm the Bills GM because I don't want someone that needs time, I want Mr Right Now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted March 26, 2018 Share Posted March 26, 2018 1 minute ago, 502Buffs said: People keep trashing Tyrod's game, but I'm pretty sure he just helped us end a 17 year playoff drought in a year where everyone thought we were tanking. With that being said, he's twice the prospect Tyrod is/was. The game has changed, folks. Versatility is a good thing. It just depends on if we have the coaching staff to coach him up, because if we don't, someone else will. You think. Those who've built Lamar Jackson into Football Jesus are just as guilty as the Rosen fanclub of assuming his game is able to be successful in the NFL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted March 26, 2018 Share Posted March 26, 2018 6 minutes ago, Blokestradamus said: I'll go as far as saying this. Lamar Jackson is a quarterback. If his film says anything but that to you, you're doing it wrong. His mobility is a plus in theory. PFF put out a stat about 70% of his rushing yards being on designed runs, not scrambles. If you watch the games, you should tell the difference between a scramble and a zone read or inverted veer play. Does Lamar need work? Of course. His feet get too narrow, causes accuracy issues. He can look to escape pressure but he does a good job of keeping his eyes up against the rush. I think the biggest difference between him and Tyrod is that Lamar wants to be a passer and will stick with his reads longer. He's more intuitive and aggressive as a passer. I agree with this assessment. First....let me say that he is not my top choice in the trade up scenarios.....my top 3 are Rosen, Darnold, Mayfield BUT You cannot just give up on finding a qb if all of our plans go to crap trying to move into the top 10......and frankly if I can get a quality prospect (even if they need to sit a year) and NOT have to give up all my accumulated picks that is very very enticing to me......we need LB's, pass catchers, and OL also 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJS Posted March 26, 2018 Share Posted March 26, 2018 1 minute ago, 502Buffs said: People keep trashing Tyrod's game, but I'm pretty sure he just helped us end a 17 year playoff drought in a year where everyone thought we were tanking. With that being said, he's twice the prospect Tyrod is/was. The game has changed, folks. Versatility is a good thing. It just depends on if we have the coaching staff to coach him up, because if we don't, someone else will. I'm all for versatility, but the biggest, most important thing for a QB is accuracy. 2nd is decision making. Tyrod wasn't accurate and he didn't make decisions because he didn't want to throw a pick and couldn't read the field well enough to operate quickly. I see some of those same traits in Jackson, even though he is more talented. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted March 26, 2018 Share Posted March 26, 2018 8 minutes ago, joesixpack said: Not unreasonable. That us totally unreasonable.....as are your takes in this situation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted March 26, 2018 Share Posted March 26, 2018 Just now, John from Riverside said: That us totally unreasonable.....as are your takes in this situation. Preach on, Bishop John. preach on. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boatdrinks Posted March 26, 2018 Share Posted March 26, 2018 1 minute ago, Blokestradamus said: I really have no objections to anyone that dislikes him as a QB. I'm hesitant to draft him if I'm the Bills GM because I don't want someone that needs time, I want Mr Right Now. Interesting. The Bills don't have a right now roster, and probably won't approach that until next offseason/ draft at least. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted March 26, 2018 Share Posted March 26, 2018 2 minutes ago, 502Buffs said: People keep trashing Tyrod's game, but I'm pretty sure he just helped us end a 17 year playoff drought in a year where everyone thought we were tanking. With that being said, he's twice the prospect Tyrod is/was. The game has changed, folks. Versatility is a good thing. It just depends on if we have the coaching staff to coach him up, because if we don't, someone else will. Yes being able to Move INSIDE a pocket is vital. It comes down to one belief with Jackson. Do you think you can fix his major mechanical issues. If the answer is yes then his accuracy improves and he can succeed in the NFL. If you do not think you can fix them then you Do NOT draft him Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
502Buffs Posted March 26, 2018 Author Share Posted March 26, 2018 3 minutes ago, suorangefan4 said: http://www.ourlads.com/story/default/Quarterback-Ball-Velocity-at-2018-NFL-Combine/10241/dh/ Do you know how they measure this? Actual throws to receivers running routes or just throwing through a speed tracker? If you watch his tape you'll see he absolutely rifles the ball into receivers hands. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted March 26, 2018 Share Posted March 26, 2018 3 minutes ago, Blokestradamus said: I really have no objections to anyone that dislikes him as a QB. I'm hesitant to draft him if I'm the Bills GM because I don't want someone that needs time, I want Mr Right Now. Who is to say that any of these QBs are Mr. Right Now? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Solomon Grundy Posted March 26, 2018 Share Posted March 26, 2018 1 minute ago, Blokestradamus said: I really have no objections to anyone that dislikes him as a QB. I'm hesitant to draft him if I'm the Bills GM because I don't want someone that needs time, I want Mr Right Now. Is there really a "Mr. Right Now" in this draft?? Lamar is more that than any other because of his running ability. The Rams thought Goff was that and almost labeled him a BUST. Most QBs coming from college needs grooming nowadays. Andrew Luck being the exception. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted March 26, 2018 Share Posted March 26, 2018 1 minute ago, joesixpack said: Preach on, Bishop John. preach on. Keep paroting the same tired "stuff" jsp Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
502Buffs Posted March 26, 2018 Author Share Posted March 26, 2018 3 minutes ago, joesixpack said: You think. Those who've built Lamar Jackson into Football Jesus are just as guilty as the Rosen fanclub of assuming his game is able to be successful in the NFL. You haven't backed up a single point on this post with reason, only made colorful takes with no supporting evidence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicken Boo Posted March 26, 2018 Share Posted March 26, 2018 12 minutes ago, 502Buffs said: Source? https://www.saturdaydownsouth.com/sec-football/nfl-ready-lamar-jacksons-stats-sec-teams-nothing-brag/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blokestradamus Posted March 26, 2018 Share Posted March 26, 2018 Just now, the skycap said: Is there really a "Mr. Right Now" in this draft?? Lamar is more that than any other because of his running ability. The Rams thought Goff was that and almost labeled him a BUST. Most QBs coming from college needs grooming nowadays. Andrew Luck being the exception. I think Rosen is Mr Right Now. Mayfield and Darnold are probably Mr Bring In At The Bye Week. This is why I'm serious about climbing the order to get Rosen. If you trade away assets, I want what I think is closest to the finished article. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Virgil Posted March 26, 2018 Share Posted March 26, 2018 3 inches taller but 10 pounds lighter is very small. For as much as he runs, he could break easily Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K-9 Posted March 26, 2018 Share Posted March 26, 2018 Came across this article today from Bleacher Report, which means I take it with a Mt. Everest of salt. He's not without his supporters and it was nice to see Kiper have his hypocrisy exposed, too. Anyway, if he's not impressing at interviews in terms of breaking down plays or retaining information, it's going to be a red flag. Wish I knew if those at the combine that are worse were any of those expected to be selected before him. Quote Jackson didn't help himself during his interviews with NFL teams, grading poorly with his preparation on the whiteboard, according to multiple sources. Teams have quarterbacks draw up their favorite plays against certain coverages, and they're looking for prospects to be as thorough as possible to grade their football intelligence. Jackson wasn't detailed, allowing skeptics to reinforce their view that he should change positions because of his "football IQ." "He has enough pluses that I still like him," said one NFL quarterbacks coach. "If he was really sharp with that, then he would be a top-10 pick. It was bad, but not the worst I've ever seen. Not even the worst at this combine." Here's the rest of the article. Again, it's Bleacher Report, so don't hold it up as a great example of sports journalism. http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2766425-ditch-the-racially-coded-language-lamar-jackson-is-no-ones-wide-receiver Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
502Buffs Posted March 26, 2018 Author Share Posted March 26, 2018 5 minutes ago, MJS said: I'm all for versatility, but the biggest, most important thing for a QB is accuracy. 2nd is decision making. Tyrod wasn't accurate and he didn't make decisions because he didn't want to throw a pick and couldn't read the field well enough to operate quickly. I see some of those same traits in Jackson, even though he is more talented. Not throwing a pick IS a decision and a good one if you ask me. Tyrod drove me crazy as well, but if Jackson can scramble for a first down instead of throwing a pick that's also a good decision. He definitely needs work, but the potential is limitless. Simply labeling him as another Tyrod is just lazy IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted March 26, 2018 Share Posted March 26, 2018 1 minute ago, 502Buffs said: Not throwing a pick IS a decision and a good one if you ask me. Tyrod drove me crazy as well, but if Jackson can scramble for a first down instead of throwing a pick that's also a good decision. He definitely needs work, but the potential is limitless. Simply labeling him as another Tyrod is just lazy IMO. Actually his potential isnt limitless. His cieling to me is about a top 15 NFL QB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HappyDays Posted March 26, 2018 Share Posted March 26, 2018 6 minutes ago, 502Buffs said: Do you know how they measure this? Actual throws to receivers running routes or just throwing through a speed tracker? If you watch his tape you'll see he absolutely rifles the ball into receivers hands. Yeah I don't think arm strength is a concern with him. If he fails it will be because he doesn't fix his inconsistent mechanics or because he doesn't learn to slide at the right time. He is nothing like Tyrod. He always looks to throw first before he runs and throws with better anticipation. Which team wants to take his unique skill set and build an offense around it is the question. I don't think he's a McBeane QB at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
502Buffs Posted March 26, 2018 Author Share Posted March 26, 2018 2 minutes ago, K-9 said: Came across this article today from Bleacher Report, which means I take it with a Mt. Everest of salt. He's not without his supporters and it was nice to see Kiper have his hypocrisy exposed, too. Anyway, if he's not impressing at interviews in terms of breaking down plays or retaining information, it's going to be a red flag. Wish I knew if those at the combine that are worse were any of those expected to be selected before him. Here's the rest of the article. Again, it's Bleacher Report, so don't hold it up as a great example of sports journalism. http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2766425-ditch-the-racially-coded-language-lamar-jackson-is-no-ones-wide-receiver Saw this article as well. Agree that would be a red flag, but none of these QB's are day one ready IMO. Didn't want to harp on the racial issue because I knew that would turn a lot of people off, but the evidence is staggering. Was interesting to hear Chris Long's take being a white defensive end. 1 minute ago, MAJBobby said: Actually his potential isnt limitless. His cieling to me is about a top 15 NFL QB You're entitled to your opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted March 26, 2018 Share Posted March 26, 2018 5 minutes ago, Virgil said: 3 inches taller but 10 pounds lighter is very small. For as much as he runs, he could break easily Has there ever been a problem with this to even think that it should be a problem? The player that some want to give the farm for has MULTIPLE CONCUSSIONS 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALLEN1QB Posted March 26, 2018 Share Posted March 26, 2018 (edited) I must say he is very intriguing but I'm not so sure that the Buffalo Brain Trust is looking for that type of quarterback again after TT. I think they are looking for a pocket passer. Edited March 26, 2018 by PIP Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted March 26, 2018 Share Posted March 26, 2018 4 minutes ago, 502Buffs said: Not throwing a pick IS a decision and a good one if you ask me. Tyrod drove me crazy as well, but if Jackson can scramble for a first down instead of throwing a pick that's also a good decision. He definitely needs work, but the potential is limitless. Simply labeling him as another Tyrod is just lazy IMO. I dont know if Jackson's potential is "limitless" I think that he has mechanic's issues that if he cleans them up could make for a very good nfl starter 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Misterbluesky Posted March 26, 2018 Share Posted March 26, 2018 38 minutes ago, Boatdrinks said: Anecdotal evidence : they think he look likes Tyrod Taylor ( read into that what you will) and he runs, so must not be that good. I do not agree with this opinion, btw but that's what I hear when I bring Jackson up to other Bills fans. I would bet about 50 % of fans really do think he's another TT...and you know why. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
502Buffs Posted March 26, 2018 Author Share Posted March 26, 2018 6 minutes ago, Virgil said: 3 inches taller but 10 pounds lighter is very small. For as much as he runs, he could break easily The way he runs is what you need to look at versus how much he runs. Very good at avoiding big hits. ACC defenders are no princesses. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K-9 Posted March 26, 2018 Share Posted March 26, 2018 Yep, mechanic's issues. Like rusty socket tools and faulty plug sets. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted March 26, 2018 Share Posted March 26, 2018 Just now, K-9 said: Yep, mechanic's issues. Like rusty socket tools and faulty plug sets. Not this kid.....biult like a fararri If we are gonna run RPO....he seems to fit that offense perfectly. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blokestradamus Posted March 26, 2018 Share Posted March 26, 2018 Just now, 502Buffs said: The way he runs is what you need to look at versus how much he runs. Very good at avoiding big hits. ACC defenders are no princesses. I don't know if you saw the Shady highlight video that was tweeted out by the team recently. I noticed on a few runs that Shady kinda gave up and hit the sideline once the play was maximized. I honestly think that's why Shady is still so good despite having more touches than (insert your own joke here, I ain't getting banned) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark80 Posted March 26, 2018 Share Posted March 26, 2018 Jackson is criminally underrated. I'd love to have him. More so than Rosen and Allen. But I prefer Mayfield and Darnold first. Then Lamar. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
502Buffs Posted March 26, 2018 Author Share Posted March 26, 2018 11 minutes ago, Chicken Boo said: https://www.saturdaydownsouth.com/sec-football/nfl-ready-lamar-jacksons-stats-sec-teams-nothing-brag/ 4 of those picks came in one game. Probably the worst of his career and unfortunately also his last. Have respect for him leaving it all out on the field and trying to will his team to victory, but that was not a pretty performance. That coupled with this bowl game his freshman year kind of shreds your SEC theory though. 6 minutes ago, PIP said: I must say he is very intriguing but I'm not so sure that the Buffalo Brain Trust is looking for that type of quarterback again after TT. I think they are looking for a pocket passer. Playing the draft game conservatively has kept us in mediocrity for too long IMO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJS Posted March 26, 2018 Share Posted March 26, 2018 9 minutes ago, 502Buffs said: Not throwing a pick IS a decision and a good one if you ask me. Tyrod drove me crazy as well, but if Jackson can scramble for a first down instead of throwing a pick that's also a good decision. He definitely needs work, but the potential is limitless. Simply labeling him as another Tyrod is just lazy IMO. I don't think it is lazy. Your opinion is that he is really good. My opinion is that he is similar to Tyrod and will have similar successes and failures in the NFL. Taylor definitely deserves to play in this league. He is good enough to win games. He has some great things about him and some debilitating things about him. That's what I see in Jackson too. He could turn out to be good if he fixes a lot of his issues, which is why I would totally take him in the 2nd or 3rd round. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Last Guy on the Bench Posted March 26, 2018 Share Posted March 26, 2018 Just now, Mark80 said: Jackson is criminally underrated. I'd love to have him. More so than Rosen and Allen. But I prefer Mayfield and Darnold first. Then Lamar. That's exactly where I am. I'd be thrilled to land him. But my overall ranking is 1)Darnold 2)Mayfield 3)Jackson . . . . .moderate gap in my enthusiasm level to 4)Rosen 5) Allen 6)Rudolph. And I could probably be talked into Rudolph before Rosen or Allen, though I know I'll get flamed for that. Frankly, if any of those six land here, I'm happy and intrigued - at least until the first preseason game ;-). 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted March 26, 2018 Share Posted March 26, 2018 Just now, MJS said: I don't think it is lazy. Your opinion is that he is really good. My opinion is that he is similar to Tyrod and will have similar successes and failures in the NFL. Taylor definitely deserves to play in this league. He is good enough to win games. He has some great things about him and some debilitating things about him. That's what I see in Jackson too. He could turn out to be good if he fixes a lot of his issues, which is why I would totally take him in the 2nd or 3rd round. How is he similar to Tyrod Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted March 26, 2018 Share Posted March 26, 2018 (edited) 14 minutes ago, 502Buffs said: Saw this article as well. Agree that would be a red flag, but none of these QB's are day one ready IMO. Didn't want to harp on the racial issue because I knew that would turn a lot of people off, but the evidence is staggering. Was interesting to hear Chris Long's take being a white defensive end. You're entitled to your opinion. There are big flaws to his game. And alot of time the areas that he does have flaws in are not correctable. So that is why i say he doesnt have limitless potential Edited March 26, 2018 by MAJBobby Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hondo in seattle Posted March 26, 2018 Share Posted March 26, 2018 There are some things to like in his highlights. But I don't how you can't be concerned about his poor play outside the SEC and his lack of x-and-o expertise at the combine. His arm strength, on the other hand, looks better on film than it did on the radar gun. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted March 26, 2018 Share Posted March 26, 2018 12 minutes ago, John from Riverside said: Has there ever been a problem with this to even think that it should be a problem? The player that some want to give the farm for has MULTIPLE CONCUSSIONS Are QBs in NFL protected via Rules differently than College players. Are college players treated differently while injured than NFL players? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted March 26, 2018 Share Posted March 26, 2018 2 minutes ago, MAJBobby said: There are big flaws to his game. And alot of time the areas that he does have flaws in are not correctable What are the "big flaws" that are not correctable 1 minute ago, MAJBobby said: Are QBs in NFL protected via Rules differently than College players. Are college players treated differently while injured than NFL players? What does this have to do with anything really? Does he have the concussions or not? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted March 26, 2018 Share Posted March 26, 2018 Just now, John from Riverside said: What are the "big flaws" that are not correctable Processing time Base on Mechanics Arm power Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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