DKBills25 Posted March 26, 2018 Share Posted March 26, 2018 3 hours ago, Irv said: Lousy track record. He's a known addict and abuser. He throws for a pro day. Now he's on a dozen web sites speculating which NFL team will sign him. I can't stand Kaepernick, but if Manziel is signed and he is not - it would confirm that there is an NFL blacklist. Johnny is a baller , I suggest looking at his highlights same as Colin but teams will feel the way they do but Johnny just like Colin deserve a second chance nothing has proven they can’t ball out ?♂️ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boatdrinks Posted March 26, 2018 Share Posted March 26, 2018 2 minutes ago, MAJBobby said: Yeah or MAYBE just Maybe the President stays the f out of things like this and Leads the Nation instead of constantly playing to the divide. But that is another argument for another day and one I dont really want to get into because of UCMJ implications That's just politics and how it's always been. You know the old saying about politics. The league would love to stay out of it. Legal troubles have often been overllooked by the NFL and fans. They're just not as divisive topics. Politics has been known to split families and end friendships . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SouthNYfan Posted March 26, 2018 Share Posted March 26, 2018 8 minutes ago, MAJBobby said: And they are actually not. Rating didnt slip because of 45s boycott calling. instead because no one likes ref running the games and stuff like horribla catch rule. As well as streaming and such I think there's a lot to it I personally know a dozen or so longtime NFL fans who cancelled NFL package and didn't watch at all because of the protests I live in a fairly liberal area of NY It's all a part of it Stop acting like it didn't affect their ratings at all 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boatdrinks Posted March 26, 2018 Share Posted March 26, 2018 56 minutes ago, reddogblitz said: How can you unequivocally say in the first sentence it's not black listing and then later on say there is no way to prove it. wouldn't that also mean there is no way to prove it's not? I don't know if there is or not. But, with all the grief the NFL went through this season and it's affects on ratings and $$$$$$, owners would certainly have motivation to see that he NEVER take another NFL snap. There is no way to prove it either way. It just makes sense to me that business owners would tend to see it the same way for their business. Not a good look and the talent level doesn't match the negatives that would come with him. Fans are sympathetic with legal troubles, addiction, maybe some would even say domestic violence to a point. You rarely hear howls of protest. Politics is yet another matter. It's the entertainment business. Just with a different customer base than say, movie and show biz fans that swoon over stars' political statements and causes. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted March 26, 2018 Share Posted March 26, 2018 15 minutes ago, SouthNYfan said: I think there's a lot to it I personally know a dozen or so longtime NFL fans who cancelled NFL package and didn't watch at all because of the protests I live in a fairly liberal area of NY It's all a part of it Stop acting like it didn't affect their ratings at all A small dent at best Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SouthNYfan Posted March 26, 2018 Share Posted March 26, 2018 2 minutes ago, MAJBobby said: A small dent at best Any dent to their wallets is something they pay attention to. I will reiterate that I have zero problem with the protests. I give the players props for doing it, and taking the risk of knowing it could affect their employment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted March 26, 2018 Share Posted March 26, 2018 (edited) 2 minutes ago, SouthNYfan said: Any dent to their wallets is something they pay attention to. I will reiterate that I have zero problem with the protests. I give the players props for doing it, and taking the risk of knowing it could affect their employment. I am waiting to see how much the NFL made this year. Willing to bet it was more than last year. Evident by another 10M increase to the cap Edited March 26, 2018 by MAJBobby 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DriveFor1Outta5 Posted March 26, 2018 Share Posted March 26, 2018 2 hours ago, ddaryl said: Only to be replaced with 3 more what ifs Yes, but none could ever be as ridiculous as those three. It’s one thing to talk about “what ifs” with guys who are actually QB’s in the NFL. Tebow, Manziel, and Kaepernick are unlikely to ever play on a NFL field again, so I don’t understand why so many people are still fascinated with those guys. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SouthNYfan Posted March 26, 2018 Share Posted March 26, 2018 1 minute ago, MAJBobby said: I am waiting to see how much the NFL made this year. Willing to bet it was more than last year. Evident by another 10M increase to the cap That could be the case, but inflation of mechanise and ticket prices could also affect that. I'd like to see the total sales and ratings #s, not the $$ from it, by the end of it all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DriveFor1Outta5 Posted March 26, 2018 Share Posted March 26, 2018 28 minutes ago, DKBills25 said: Johnny is a baller , I suggest looking at his highlights same as Colin but teams will feel the way they do but Johnny just like Colin deserve a second chance nothing has proven they can’t ball out ?♂️ College highlights for Manziel? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted March 26, 2018 Share Posted March 26, 2018 (edited) 1 minute ago, SouthNYfan said: That could be the case, but inflation of mechanise and ticket prices could also affect that. I'd like to see the total sales and ratings #s, not the $$ from it, by the end of it all. TV contract written. They are getting their money no matter what the ratings are. Hence increases to people that watch Direct TV but not for the Sunday ticket. So the NFL made more profit than they did last year. Edited March 26, 2018 by MAJBobby Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SouthNYfan Posted March 26, 2018 Share Posted March 26, 2018 Just now, MAJBobby said: TV contract written. They are getting their money no matter what the ratings are. Hence increases to people that watch Direct TV but not for the Sunday ticket That's interesting. They're all swimming in $$ either way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted March 26, 2018 Share Posted March 26, 2018 2 minutes ago, SouthNYfan said: That's interesting. They're all swimming in $$ either way. Yep. Dips in ratings will be used against the NFL in the next deal. But not going to matter there is network competition that will drive prices up again 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SouthNYfan Posted March 26, 2018 Share Posted March 26, 2018 1 minute ago, MAJBobby said: Yep. Dips in ratings will be used against the NFL in the next deal. But not going to matter there is network competition that will drive prices up again I will say that the NFL dropping Papa John's like a bad habit shows that they don't care about the protests at all, just their perceived stance and it's affect on ratings. He ran his mouth and they said bye Felicia. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boatdrinks Posted March 26, 2018 Share Posted March 26, 2018 6 minutes ago, MAJBobby said: Yep. Dips in ratings will be used against the NFL in the next deal. But not going to matter there is network competition that will drive prices up again The ratings dips are significant on their own , but all TV viewership is down across the board. NFL games are still the surest thing going relative to other programming. Just not reaching the volume of viewers that they used to. It will be interesting how advertisers view the shrinking pool of " captive eyes" and how or if it affects what they ( and ultimately networks ) are willing to pay. 7 minutes ago, SouthNYfan said: I will say that the NFL dropping Papa John's like a bad habit shows that they don't care about the protests at all, just their perceived stance and it's affect on ratings. He ran his mouth and they said bye Felicia. They wanted to send a message to the advertisers that they expect them to stay out of this. They don't want them choosing sides publicly. They'd pretty much love if the whole thing just went away. It's just difficult to make that happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloSol Posted March 26, 2018 Share Posted March 26, 2018 3 hours ago, MAJBobby said: To be fair all he did was drugs and beat a girl, we know that means nothing in NFL HOWEVER Take a Knee during anthem and boom Blacklisted. You do know other players kneeled and kept there jobs. I think his downfall was he was not that good his last year + wearing the socks on the field portraying cops as pigs, oh yeah and praising the Cuban dictator Fidel Castro(he probably would have started for Miami last year if he didn't praise Castro). All that equals not worth it for the premium back up/starter money he wanted. Sorry the NFL is a business and a very competitive one at that, and if his talent outweighed his blemishes he would be on a team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punching Bag Posted March 26, 2018 Share Posted March 26, 2018 4 hours ago, reddogblitz said: It is ridiculous that Colin Kaepernick had a successful career including 2 trips to NFC Championship and 1 Super Bowl and in in his prime gets ZERO interest. Yet a guy who had a short un productive career is for some reason getting interest. If it were up to me, I'd sign Colin today and name him the presumptive starter. Stop screwin' around Beane. Fortunately the GM the Lions signed, Matt Millien, was more qualified than you to be GM despite being a bust. Russ Brandon was more qualified than you. Decisions on who to sign on team and whether to trade up picks to trade for a potential bust (teams never stop hearing about it when they trade up for a bust) should be left to teams. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reddogblitz Posted March 26, 2018 Share Posted March 26, 2018 Just now, Limeaid said: Fortunately the GM the Lions signed, Matt Millien, was more qualified than you to be GM despite being a bust. Russ Brandon was more qualified than you. Decisions on who to sign on team and whether to trade up picks to trade for a potential bust (teams never stop hearing about it when they trade up for a bust) should be left to teams. I said "IF IT WERE UP TO ME" which obviously it is not. My opinion only. Your mileage may vary. Besides, I haven't been a GM so you have no idea if I would be good at it or not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punching Bag Posted March 26, 2018 Share Posted March 26, 2018 2 hours ago, TigerJ said: That's another story. If it were up to some GMs and coaches, I would guess he'd be signed. I think owners probably are insturcting GMs not to sign him. They don't want the inevitable political controversy. It is the owners' money despite what some want. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ddaryl Posted March 27, 2018 Share Posted March 27, 2018 4 hours ago, DriveFor1Outta5 said: Yes, but none could ever be as ridiculous as those three. Oh ye of little faith. That bus makes regular stops. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted March 27, 2018 Share Posted March 27, 2018 This dude was overrated before he had “problems.” He literally ran around like a chicken and threw jump passes in traffic to Mike Evans. Honestly, I really hope he has gotten his life together. I just don’t think he is an nfl qb, sober or drunk. Hell of a college player though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBillsGospel Posted March 27, 2018 Share Posted March 27, 2018 8 hours ago, Irv said: Lousy track record. He's a known addict and abuser. He throws for a pro day. Now he's on a dozen web sites speculating which NFL team will sign him. I can't stand Kaepernick, but if Manziel is signed and he is not - it would confirm that there is an NFL blacklist. I'm not a fan of Manziel, never was but I believe in 2nd chances, he would be really no risk of a signing, I'd give it a whirl, any distractions from him and cut ties. Kaepernick is 100 percent being blacklisted imo but on the other hand he isn't a great QB. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted March 27, 2018 Share Posted March 27, 2018 1 minute ago, BuffaloBillsGospel said: I'm not a fan of Manziel, never was but I believe in 2nd chances, he would be really no risk of a signing, I'd give it a whirl, any distractions from him and cut ties. Kaepernick is 100 percent being blacklisted imo but on the other hand he isn't a great QB. Kaepernick threw 16 tds to 4 ints on a terrible 49ers team his last year in the nfl and nearly won a super bowl. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Irv Posted March 27, 2018 Author Share Posted March 27, 2018 Wow. What a sh*t storm I created. Two hot messes get a lot of attention I guess. Don't think Johnny Football deserves the sudden attention. He sucks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted March 27, 2018 Share Posted March 27, 2018 He’s not relevant. He’s just news and clicks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Misterbluesky Posted March 27, 2018 Share Posted March 27, 2018 3 minutes ago, Augie said: He’s not relevant. He’s just news and clicks. Or the next QB for the Winnipeg Blue Bombers. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted March 27, 2018 Share Posted March 27, 2018 5 minutes ago, Misterbluesky said: Or the next QB for the Winnipeg Blue Bombers. Or that.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBillsGospel Posted March 27, 2018 Share Posted March 27, 2018 2 hours ago, Irv said: Wow. What a sh*t storm I created. Two hot messes get a lot of attention I guess. Don't think Johnny Football deserves the sudden attention. He sucks. he did really good things at Texas A&M, I never thought it would translate to the pros much like Tim Tebow. If he can sit and study, work on mechanics anything is possible, I never thought he sucked but in the NFL the windows are so much tighter to throw in and heaving the ball after running around like a chicken with it's head cut off is never a good thing. If he got his **** together and he's willing to learn the ins and out's I don't see how it hurts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reddogblitz Posted March 27, 2018 Share Posted March 27, 2018 4 hours ago, C.Biscuit97 said: Kaepernick threw 16 tds to 4 ints on a terrible 49ers team his last year in the nfl and nearly won a super bowl. He would have too if Jim Harbaugh had not called 4 straight passes to Crabs at the end of thee game.. During the season in those situations they would often put a FB and TR in the backfield in the shotgun and run a power sweep to Colin. Still amazed me they didn't run that once. I'm with you. Colin is really good QB. Better than our QBs last year or this so far. Come on Beane. Stop screwin' around. Sign Colin. We're trying to win here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloSol Posted March 27, 2018 Share Posted March 27, 2018 5 hours ago, reddogblitz said: He would have too if Jim Harbaugh had not called 4 straight passes to Crabs at the end of thee game.. During the season in those situations they would often put a FB and TR in the backfield in the shotgun and run a power sweep to Colin. Still amazed me they didn't run that once. I'm with you. Colin is really good QB. Better than our QBs last year or this so far. Come on Beane. Stop screwin' around. Sign Colin. We're trying to win here. Looking at this post leads me to believe you did not watch any games kapernick played in the season before last. Even in his best season he was on par with Tyrod, maybe slightly better that season he went to the Super Bowl. He always averaged under 200 passing yards and could run, we've seen that before. During Kapernicks last two seasons Tyrod was the much better QB. His last 20 games in his last two seasons he had 22 touchdowns and 11 picks, and you think that's a good QB? 1.05 touchdowns a game and .5 interceptions, that's what we call a back up at best. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimmy10 Posted March 27, 2018 Share Posted March 27, 2018 To answer OP’s question: A good public relations agency. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reddogblitz Posted March 27, 2018 Share Posted March 27, 2018 (edited) 5 hours ago, BuffaloSol said: Looking at this post leads me to believe you did not watch any games kapernick played in the season before last. Even in his best season he was on par with Tyrod, maybe slightly better that season he went to the Super Bowl. He always averaged under 200 passing yards and could run, we've seen that before. During Kapernicks last two seasons Tyrod was the much better QB. His last 20 games in his last two seasons he had 22 touchdowns and 11 picks, and you think that's a good QB? 1.05 touchdowns a game and .5 interceptions, that's what we call a back up at best. Maybe you do. I don't. Sure I saw some of those games. He played pretty well I thought. Did you watch any or are you just going by stats? As I said earlier he was also on a tire fire team with coach with one foot out the door and the other on a banana peel. That had an impact too IMHO. I'd still sign him up today if I could. Battle it out with McCarron for the starting job. Competition brings out the best. Edited March 27, 2018 by reddogblitz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Max Fischer Posted March 27, 2018 Share Posted March 27, 2018 On 3/26/2018 at 2:34 PM, Captain Hindsight said: You must have missed the part where I said I hope he gets his life back together. Thats different than football I don't see the difference. I hope he gets it together, changes his life/attitude and finds success on the field. We could always use more success stories. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Hindsight Posted March 28, 2018 Share Posted March 28, 2018 15 hours ago, Max Fischer said: I don't see the difference. I hope he gets it together, changes his life/attitude and finds success on the field. We could always use more success stories. My comment was mostly about what he "deserves". Having gone through a much less public issue of my own, I argued that I "deserved" all these things I had lost due to my own struggles. Honestly that line of thought hindered my ability to get better and become the person I should be. I didn't deserve to just walk back to my life and have everyone ignore what happened. Because it had happened. I had to earn everything back and rightfully so. If Johnny earns the opportunity to resume his playing career, then of course I am all for the comeback story and hope he succeeds. But "deserves" this opportunity? I can't say that. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boatdrinks Posted March 28, 2018 Share Posted March 28, 2018 2 hours ago, Captain Hindsight said: My comment was mostly about what he "deserves". Having gone through a much less public issue of my own, I argued that I "deserved" all these things I had lost due to my own struggles. Honestly that line of thought hindered my ability to get better and become the person I should be. I didn't deserve to just walk back to my life and have everyone ignore what happened. Because it had happened. I had to earn everything back and rightfully so. If Johnny earns the opportunity to resume his playing career, then of course I am all for the comeback story and hope he succeeds. But "deserves" this opportunity? I can't say that. But fans don't get to decide what Manziel " deserves". He has talent. Maybe enough to play NFL Quarterback. If the people actually making such decisions for NFL teams decide they want to give him a chance to play in their league, then he deserves the chance. Simple as that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Hindsight Posted March 28, 2018 Share Posted March 28, 2018 39 minutes ago, Boatdrinks said: But fans don't get to decide what Manziel " deserves". He has talent. Maybe enough to play NFL Quarterback. If the people actually making such decisions for NFL teams decide they want to give him a chance to play in their league, then he deserves the chance. Simple as that. Of course. He has to earn it and I said that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buffaloaggie Posted March 28, 2018 Share Posted March 28, 2018 Manziel had comparisons to Flutie, and I think he needs to follow his route to the NFL, via the CFL. Manziel will not prove himself carrying a clipboard. He can be a starter in the CFL, and hopefully, for his sake, can find some of that college magic. I went to A&M, and saw more of him than likely anyone else on this board. He did make his reputation by throwing jump balls to Evans, throwing bubble screens, and by scrambling. He needs experience to prove himself, and that will only come in the CFL. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reddogblitz Posted March 28, 2018 Share Posted March 28, 2018 20 minutes ago, buffaloaggie said: Manziel had comparisons to Flutie, and I think he needs to follow his route to the NFL, via the CFL. Manziel will not prove himself carrying a clipboard. He can be a starter in the CFL, and hopefully, for his sake, can find some of that college magic. I went to A&M, and saw more of him than likely anyone else on this board. He did make his reputation by throwing jump balls to Evans, throwing bubble screens, and by scrambling. He needs experience to prove himself, and that will only come in the CFL. Or XFL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seventeen Posted March 28, 2018 Share Posted March 28, 2018 (edited) 22 minutes ago, buffaloaggie said: Manziel had comparisons to Flutie, and I think he needs to follow his route to the NFL, via the CFL. Manziel will not prove himself carrying a clipboard. He can be a starter in the CFL, and hopefully, for his sake, can find some of that college magic. I went to A&M, and saw more of him than likely anyone else on this board. He did make his reputation by throwing jump balls to Evans, throwing bubble screens, and by scrambling. He needs experience to prove himself, and that will only come in the CFL. Agreed, he needs game experience and he would be the backup anywhere he goes. Now if a starter got hurt ... Edited March 28, 2018 by Looper Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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