Bing Bong Posted March 25, 2018 Share Posted March 25, 2018 4 minutes ago, BuffaloRush said: All good man.... I like talking Bills with my friends in real life. It seems like there are hot-button topics that we feel strongly about (sometimes end up in debates) but it's always a lively situation. I think it's fun to bring those topics to this board But was he worth the contract they paid him. He was paid as the top defensive plater in the NFL at the time. Did anyone ever consider Mario as the best defensive player in the NFL? I don't think so just thought he made us contenders that year, money or no money. I'll repeat Fitz gets us to a playoffs 50/50 chance. That's by far the e/bst Bills Defense I ever watched closely. Kind of made me think of Fitz having his great breakout season with that loaded Jets front 7 (didn'y get knocked out of the playoffs by the Bills?) That must have sucked. But we know worse luck I'm sure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloRush Posted March 25, 2018 Author Share Posted March 25, 2018 19 minutes ago, Bangarang said: When we’re done here, can we please talk about Jordan Palmer’s time with the team. No because no one cares about those topics. I post topics that Bills fans feel passionate about, and it most cases feel differently from fan-to-fan 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bing Bong Posted March 25, 2018 Share Posted March 25, 2018 10 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said: Stick to old topics no one cares about in 2018. OFFSEASON topics. what else do we talk about besides 20 threads per QB. Just a fun discussion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloRush Posted March 25, 2018 Author Share Posted March 25, 2018 11 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said: Stick to old topics no one cares about in 2018. Clearly people care. Look at the views and replies of my posts Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted March 25, 2018 Share Posted March 25, 2018 (edited) 1 minute ago, PetermanThrew5Picks said: OFFSEASON topics. what else do we talk about besides 20 threads per QB. Just a fun discussion. Have fun. I'm only giving him crap for his response to me. Besides, the kids' table needs to understand Bills' history. Edited March 25, 2018 by 26CornerBlitz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bing Bong Posted March 25, 2018 Share Posted March 25, 2018 (edited) 23 minutes ago, NoSaint said: Are you lonely at home? It feels like you might be lonely. are you lonely taking the time to post that? And yea I'm lonely I'm super hung over. 6 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said: Have fun. I'm only giving him crap for his response to me. lol know that game. Try to apologize. you're my legit TBD MVP Edited March 25, 2018 by PetermanThrew5Picks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloRush Posted March 25, 2018 Author Share Posted March 25, 2018 1 minute ago, 26CornerBlitz said: Have fun. I'm only giving him crap for his response to me. Besides, the kids' table needs to understand Bills' history. No you aren't - you whinge about me in every post Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bing Bong Posted March 25, 2018 Share Posted March 25, 2018 this thread got weird. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted March 25, 2018 Share Posted March 25, 2018 Just now, BuffaloRush said: No you aren't - you whinge about me in every post whinge? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Billieve Posted March 25, 2018 Share Posted March 25, 2018 I voted yes, but the more I think about it I should have voted no. I think it turned out alright, he played great for several years and it wasn't too expensive to part ways. I think it worked out a little better than the expected value when they made the deal. Our Dline was the only thing that made the Bills watchable for at least two years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Brown Posted March 25, 2018 Share Posted March 25, 2018 I voted no because I never think it's wise to give a massive contract (100 million) to anybody other then a quarterback. It's better than the Dareus contract because Williams had a few good seasons, but he still wasn't worth that much. We did need pass rush help though and it's not his fault Bryce Brown fumbled at the 1 yard line against the Chiefs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Another Fan Posted March 25, 2018 Share Posted March 25, 2018 I know Rex was a bag of wind but if you're being paid all that money you cant just not come to play. He had some good years under the Marrone regime but never lived up to his contract 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloRush Posted March 25, 2018 Author Share Posted March 25, 2018 6 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said: whinge? whinge (h)winj/ BRITISHinformal verb 1. complain persistently and in a peevish or irritating way. "stop whingeing and get on with it!" noun 1. an act of complaining. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bing Bong Posted March 25, 2018 Share Posted March 25, 2018 7 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said: Have fun. I'm only giving him crap for his response to me. Besides, the kids' table needs to understand Bills' history. respect the young bloods, we don't want constantly hear about how great it was to have Jim and co. making 4 SBs. If anything, we're the diehard fans being raised on the MCM and still sticking around. Toeing the line here, of course I love Jim and co. I have a prized autograph from Bruce Smith, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Green Lightning Posted March 25, 2018 Share Posted March 25, 2018 Not much of a debate, Mario was a beast for us for a couple of years. Solid signing. Rex ruin him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloRush Posted March 25, 2018 Author Share Posted March 25, 2018 2 minutes ago, Doc Brown said: I voted no because I never think it's wise to give a massive contract (100 million) to anybody other then a quarterback. It's better than the Dareus contract because Williams had a few good seasons, but he still wasn't worth that much. We did need pass rush help though and it's not his fault Bryce Brown fumbled at the 1 yard line against the Chiefs. Yeah I agree with you here. I wouldn't call the deal a bust, but I never thought that Mario played like the best defender in the NFL as he was paid to do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted March 25, 2018 Share Posted March 25, 2018 (edited) 1 minute ago, BuffaloRush said: whinge (h)winj/ BRITISHinformal verb 1. complain persistently and in a peevish or irritating way. "stop whingeing and get on with it!" noun 1. an act of complaining. Good self description since my initial post here didn't quote you. Edited March 25, 2018 by 26CornerBlitz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Bills Fan Posted March 25, 2018 Share Posted March 25, 2018 Nope when Peyton was out there. They should of tried everything for QB vs Mario no matter what. QB driven league Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloRush Posted March 25, 2018 Author Share Posted March 25, 2018 Just now, Green Lightning said: Not much of a debate, Mario was a beast for us for a couple of years. Solid signing. Rex ruin him. You are in the minority, because when you take a look at the polls its nearly split 50/50. There's no doubt Mario had a few great seasons, but keep in mind he was the highest paid defensive player in the NFL. Do you really feel that his performance lived up to that monster contract? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted March 25, 2018 Share Posted March 25, 2018 2 minutes ago, Green Lightning said: Not much of a debate, Mario was a beast for us for a couple of years. Solid signing. Rex ruin him. Easy anwser and not a debate at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloRush Posted March 25, 2018 Author Share Posted March 25, 2018 6 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said: Easy anwser and not a debate at all. Funny because, go figure, not all fans feel the same way you do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Green Lightning Posted March 25, 2018 Share Posted March 25, 2018 7 minutes ago, BuffaloRush said: You are in the minority, because when you take a look at the polls its nearly split 50/50. There's no doubt Mario had a few great seasons, but keep in mind he was the highest paid defensive player in the NFL. Do you really feel that his performance lived up to that monster contract? How can I be in the minority when the vote is 59 to 41? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackOrton Posted March 25, 2018 Share Posted March 25, 2018 (edited) Easy answer. Yes. Everyone who answers no, is wrong. Mario was one of our few elite players. Period. Edited March 25, 2018 by jmc12290 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloRush Posted March 25, 2018 Author Share Posted March 25, 2018 2 minutes ago, Green Lightning said: How can I be in the minority when the vote is 59 to 41? Because it was 54-46 when I posted. 2 minutes ago, jmc12290 said: Easy answer. Yes. Everyone who answers no, is wrong. Mario was one of our few elite players. Period. I think many of us who voted “no,” don’t feel that he lived up to his contract as being the highest paid defensive player in the NFL. I can’t recall anyone saying that Mario was one of the best players in the NFL, yet he was paid like one Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackOrton Posted March 25, 2018 Share Posted March 25, 2018 1 minute ago, BuffaloRush said: Because it was 54-46 when I posted. 54% is a minority? I see your knowledge of mathematics is only rivaled by your knowledge of football. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Bills Fan Posted March 25, 2018 Share Posted March 25, 2018 What would you guys choose? A good QB or a game changer D-Line? Qb 9 outta 10. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloRush Posted March 25, 2018 Author Share Posted March 25, 2018 1 minute ago, jmc12290 said: 54% is a minority? I see your knowledge of mathematics is only rivaled by your knowledge of football. No, You said the topic was not debatebable as to indicate that most fans felt the same way. He fact the the poll is around 50/50 shows that this is, in fact, a very debatable topic. 3 minutes ago, Buffalo Bills Fan said: What would you guys choose? A good QB or a game changer D-Line? Qb 9 outta 10. Based on this poll, I think Bills fans would rather have a DE Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackOrton Posted March 25, 2018 Share Posted March 25, 2018 2 minutes ago, BuffaloRush said: Because it was 54-46 when I posted. I think many of us who voted “no,” don’t feel that he lived up to his contract as being the highest paid defensive player in the NFL. I can’t recall anyone saying that Mario was one of the best players in the NFL, yet he was paid like one Well that's because you are all wrong and have no idea what you're talking about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Green Lightning Posted March 25, 2018 Share Posted March 25, 2018 5 minutes ago, BuffaloRush said: Because it was 54-46 when I posted. I think many of us who voted “no,” don’t feel that he lived up to his contract as being the highest paid defensive player in the NFL. I can’t recall anyone saying that Mario was one of the best players in the NFL, yet he was paid like one He got a lot of sacks and wore red contact lenses. What the hell else do you want? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mead107 Posted March 25, 2018 Share Posted March 25, 2018 At the time , yes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boatdrinks Posted March 25, 2018 Share Posted March 25, 2018 35 minutes ago, Buffalo Bills Fan said: Nope when Peyton was out there. They should of tried everything for QB vs Mario no matter what. QB driven league Peyton Manning in Buffalo? The Mario Williams signing was thought to bring a certain credibility back to the Bills , but there was NO WAY Manning would ever have come to Buffalo. When he first was going to be a UFA, I was discussing it with buddies at work and said " He'll got to KC or DEN, it'll be the AFCW for sure" . He wasn't going to be in the NFC with his brother, first off. So it was AFC and those teams had strong rosters execept at QB. The division didn't have many good QB ps to stand in his way. The AFCE was out of the question because that would mean Brady twice a year just to secure a division title. The AFCW had no clear favorite and was the easiest path to the playoffs, where he'd take his chances on Brady in a playoff game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T master Posted March 25, 2018 Share Posted March 25, 2018 Super Mario was a really good signing while he was in B/lo the D was exceptional they just couldn't get the offense to do enough to win many games !! That has seemed to be the fate of the Bills it's always one side of the ball is good & the other side is bad if they could pull it all together we may stay a good team !! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Barbarian Posted March 25, 2018 Share Posted March 25, 2018 One good year, selfish, bad attitude, only played hard if it served him, cancer, waist of money. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted March 25, 2018 Share Posted March 25, 2018 Just now, Buffalo Barbarian said: One good year, selfish, bad attitude, only played hard if it served him, cancer, waist of money. So Mario for Skelton? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Barbarian Posted March 25, 2018 Share Posted March 25, 2018 Just now, 26CornerBlitz said: So Mario for Skelton? Probably would have won more games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rocky Landing Posted March 25, 2018 Share Posted March 25, 2018 Mario was great until Rex came in and told him to stop doing what he did best. Should he have been more professional and tried to adapt to Rex's screwed up system? Sure. But that front four under Schwarz was awesome. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJS Posted March 25, 2018 Share Posted March 25, 2018 Great production for the first few years even though we all knew he took plays off. I think it was one of the rare times where a monster deal paid off, though it did end in ugly fashion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wayne Arnold Posted March 25, 2018 Share Posted March 25, 2018 My personal regard for the TBD community just plummeted. Mario was a terrible signing in both foresight and hindsight. Buddy Nix paid an underachieving defensive lineman like a franchise quarterback. There should be nothing to debate. How many extra games did we win by giving Mario Freakin Williams a $100 million contract? He was our fourth-best defensive lineman in his best season. Such a massive waste of cap space. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackOrton Posted March 25, 2018 Share Posted March 25, 2018 (edited) 46 minutes ago, Wayne Arnold said: My personal regard for the TBD community just plummeted. Mario was a terrible signing in both foresight and hindsight. Buddy Nix paid an underachieving defensive lineman like a franchise quarterback. There should be nothing to debate. How many extra games did we win by giving Mario Freakin Williams a $100 million contract? He was our fourth-best defensive lineman in his best season. Such a massive waste of cap space. Horrific take. 1. Mario's contract was not cap prohibitive. 2. He was easily the best player on the team at the time of his signing and probably up til 2015. Our "fourth best defensive lineman" is so ridiculous I almost think you're trolling. 3. How many players had more sacks from 2012-2014 than Mario Williams? 4. His "$100M" contract was the sole largest defensive contract for one year, the year he signed it. Revis, Watt, and etc had all surpassed him by the time he was cut, as is the NFL norm. 5. The dead money was not even close to what happens around the league in bad contracts. Being able to cut Mario for only $7M in dead money when he had hit a wall is the sign of a good contract, not a bad one, to anyone who knows a lick about the NFL. Try again. Edited March 25, 2018 by jmc12290 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Not at the table Karlos Posted March 25, 2018 Share Posted March 25, 2018 He was a great signing until rex showed up. Rex was a terrible signing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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