Teddy KGB Posted March 24, 2018 Share Posted March 24, 2018 10 minutes ago, BuffaloHokie13 said: It's okay man. When the Browns beat us in a playoff game you can blame Tyrod for the Bills loss for old times sake If the Ravens, Steelers, and Bengals planes vanish the browns will make it. Im not buying a 9 win browns team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCOrange Posted March 24, 2018 Share Posted March 24, 2018 I don’t think Cleveland should take Barkley honestly. Hyde/Duke is a good RB duo as is and with all their Day 2 picks, they can add another very good RB without having to use the #4 pick to do so. I dont think they’ll hit 8 wins this season but I don’t think buffalo will either. It’ll be close between the two teams this year but I like how Cleveland is building their team. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Gun Posted March 24, 2018 Share Posted March 24, 2018 The Browns will be better than..........no one again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted March 24, 2018 Share Posted March 24, 2018 They need a culture change. Until then, they'll still suck. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnC Posted March 24, 2018 Share Posted March 24, 2018 1 hour ago, BarleyNY said: Haslam kept Hue Jackson against Dorsey’s wishes because of clauses in his contract that would have dramatically escalated his compensation if he was fired before the start of the 2018 season. Expect him to have a very short leash if the season starts off poorly. Haslam should have eaten that contract anyway. Notably Sashi Brown wanted to draft Wentz at 2 but Jackson didn’t want him. Despite Hue spinning it the other way later that was known at the time of the trade to the Iggles. A fresh start with a new HC would have been a clear line of demarcation from the failure of the past to a new start that didn't include the ridiculous losing history of the recent past. If as you noted Jackson was instrumental in the qb decision not to select Wentz then there was a greater reason to fire him. If the owner was reluctant to follow the wishes of the newly appointed GM who wanted to replace Jackson because of financial reasons then that was a shortsighted decision. The decision to get the right HC has a greater bearing on team success and in the end resulting in increasing revenue. This is a case of penny wise and dollar foolish. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KDIGGZ Posted March 24, 2018 Share Posted March 24, 2018 3 hours ago, Kirby Jackson said: I think their OL is better, Tyrod/Darnold > McCarron/?, if they draft Barkley RB will be close (and they have better depth with Hyde & Duke), they are way better at LB too. We have the advantage at DT. We are also looking at this pre-draft. Let's see how things stack up post draft when Cleveland uses the ton of picks they have and we have to trade a bunch of ours to get the 4th QB off the board. This draft is deep at DT, I'm sure Cleveland will find someone there. Meanwhile, we don't even have a starting MLB aka the most important position in McD's defense. Yikes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DriveFor1Outta5 Posted March 24, 2018 Share Posted March 24, 2018 1 hour ago, Teddy KGB said: If the Ravens, Steelers, and Bengals planes vanish the browns will make it. Im not buying a 9 win browns team. My thoughts exactly. Can any of us envision TT winning a shootout with Big Ben? TT is also a former Raven, so expect them to have his number. Jarvis Landry is a possession receiver who isn’t going to make a ton of huge plays, and TT is still TT. I’m not sure how much has changed to make people think this 0-16 team is 9 win team. if that’s the case, TT ranks up there with the elite. Btw, Joe Thomas also retired, and Jackson is crap as a head coach. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mead107 Posted March 24, 2018 Share Posted March 24, 2018 All a big question 19-0 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DriveFor1Outta5 Posted March 24, 2018 Share Posted March 24, 2018 6 hours ago, GunnerBill said: Everywhere except pass rush and wide receiver. Their best player retired this offseason. I think you love their roster way more than it deserves. Plus, where is the leadership on this Browns team? This team appears to lack any form of leadership. Leadership is a common denominator shared by most successful teams. That void isn’t going to be filled by TT or Jarvis Landry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chuck Wagon Posted March 24, 2018 Share Posted March 24, 2018 12 minutes ago, DriveFor1Outta5 said: Plus, where is the leadership on this Browns team? This team appears to lack any form of leadership. Leadership is a common denominator shared by most successful teams. That void isn’t going to be filled by TT or Jarvis Landry. That's my only hangup on them making a significant step forward. They took major character risks (something Dorsey was known for in KC) and could very much be in a position of players just looking out for themselves. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DriveFor1Outta5 Posted March 24, 2018 Share Posted March 24, 2018 (edited) 28 minutes ago, Chuck Wagon said: That's my only hangup on them making a significant step forward. They took major character risks (something Dorsey was known for in KC) and could very much be in a position of players just looking out for themselves. Yes, regardless of the overall talent the Browns possess, this remains a major question mark. TT seems like a good dude, but he doesn’t provide leadership. He’ll still run the playclock down to zero with his team trailing by two scores late in the game, and Landry is likely to throw a few temper tantrums this season. Keep in mind, this is all being overseen seen by a head coach who hasn’t shown the ability to do anything in this league. Edited March 24, 2018 by DriveFor1Outta5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chuck Wagon Posted March 24, 2018 Share Posted March 24, 2018 10 minutes ago, DriveFor1Outta5 said: Yes, regardless of the overall talent the Browns possess, this remains a major question mark. TT seems like a good dude, but he doesn’t provide leadership. He’ll still run the playclock down to zero with his team trailing by two scores late in the game, and Landry is likely to throw a few temper tantrums this season. Keep in mind, this is all being overseen seen by a head coach who hasn’t shown the ability to do anything in this league. And Joe Thomas is gone Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BarleyNY Posted March 24, 2018 Share Posted March 24, 2018 2 hours ago, DCOrange said: I don’t think Cleveland should take Barkley honestly. Hyde/Duke is a good RB duo as is and with all their Day 2 picks, they can add another very good RB without having to use the #4 pick to do so. I dont think they’ll hit 8 wins this season but I don’t think buffalo will either. It’ll be close between the two teams this year but I like how Cleveland is building their team. Agree on all thing she Cleveland. I think they’re another year away from finding their footing though. As for records, I’ll wait until closer to the season to make my predictions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DriveFor1Outta5 Posted March 24, 2018 Share Posted March 24, 2018 4 minutes ago, Chuck Wagon said: And Joe Thomas is gone It seems that many are underestimating this loss. I don’t even think that the signing of Landry outweighs the loss of Thomas. The Browns lost a guy who was their leader, and a HOF caliber player. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RiotAct Posted March 24, 2018 Share Posted March 24, 2018 ... the Niagara-Wheatfield JV team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted March 24, 2018 Share Posted March 24, 2018 3 hours ago, plenzmd1 said: the win totals will be out after the draft, and you will NOT get a good deal on the Browns. Lots of folks jumping on them. Thye are now the hot "sneaky good" team, which obviously means they are not "sneaky" anymore. I predict the line at 6 1/2 win total, but a huge vig on the over..something like - 160 to win 100. Bookmakers know this huge groundswell of the "the Browns are going to surprise and be really good" is out there and will entice you like hell to bet the over...be very weary!!!!! I hope you’ll forgive me if I’m not all in on your gambling expertise, which, as you may recall, recently cost me three beers! Who bets on a horse just because it’s name is Shady McCoy? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
plenzmd1 Posted March 24, 2018 Share Posted March 24, 2018 3 minutes ago, Augie said: I hope you’ll forgive me if I’m not all in on your gambling expertise, which, as you may recall, recently cost me three beers! Who bets on a horse just because it’s name is Shady McCoy? lest we forget, we put him in some exactas as well, cause the other horse was named Cherry Pie ..in honor of the Pie thread on OTW. And yes, obviously only an idiot bets on a horses name....but in football, I have a little more sense..( even though I did go broke last football season ) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bookie Man Posted March 24, 2018 Share Posted March 24, 2018 The Gap Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BarleyNY Posted March 24, 2018 Share Posted March 24, 2018 3 hours ago, JohnC said: A fresh start with a new HC would have been a clear line of demarcation from the failure of the past to a new start that didn't include the ridiculous losing history of the recent past. If as you noted Jackson was instrumental in the qb decision not to select Wentz then there was a greater reason to fire him. If the owner was reluctant to follow the wishes of the newly appointed GM who wanted to replace Jackson because of financial reasons then that was a shortsighted decision. The decision to get the right HC has a greater bearing on team success and in the end resulting in increasing revenue. This is a case of penny wise and dollar foolish. I could not agree more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iron Maiden Posted March 24, 2018 Share Posted March 24, 2018 I really don't see it happening, but if the freaking Cleveland Browns end up having a better season then the Bills, it will be a miserable year....I can't see them having more than 6-7 wins.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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