WideRightRevenge Posted March 14, 2018 Share Posted March 14, 2018 Why do we want Matt Moore or McCarron .. use that money on other positions ... why not improve your odds (of no bust pick) with a QB in the first and the second? More agressive flashback to what the Redskins did with RGIII and Kirk Cousins in same draft. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott7975 Posted March 14, 2018 Share Posted March 14, 2018 And now they have neither QB and a ton of capital invested in them. You get a vet to help teach a rookie. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
White Linen Posted March 14, 2018 Share Posted March 14, 2018 What does drafting two QB's have to do with a bridge QB (vs?)? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mrbojanglezs Posted March 14, 2018 Share Posted March 14, 2018 It's mostly about having a veteran presence in the classroom and on the sideline Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WideRightRevenge Posted March 14, 2018 Author Share Posted March 14, 2018 I'm saying let's not sign one of the 2nd tier FA QB's and draft two QB's .. you carry 3 QB's on the roster .. so why use your FA money on (Gabbert, EJ Manuel, Matt Moore, and a whole lot more on McCarron) ... I'd rather plug other holes via FA and draft one of the top 5 QB's in round 1 and come back with Falk or Mike White in Round 2. 2 minutes ago, Mrbojanglezs said: It's mostly about having a veteran presence in the classroom and on the sideline Joe Webb Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KDIGGZ Posted March 14, 2018 Share Posted March 14, 2018 Veteran mentor to teach them how to be a pro Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobDVA Posted March 14, 2018 Share Posted March 14, 2018 If someone has to teach you how to be a pro, I do not want you on my team. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WideRightRevenge Posted March 14, 2018 Author Share Posted March 14, 2018 13 minutes ago, kdiggz said: Veteran mentor to teach them how to be a pro Can't this be done by a QB coach .. one who played in the league before? 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SouthNYfan Posted March 14, 2018 Share Posted March 14, 2018 22 minutes ago, BobDVA said: If someone has to teach you how to be a pro, I do not want you on my team. Completely obtuse and ignorant statement. NO rookie knows the ins and outs of being an NFL player prior to arriving into the league. Just like nobody knows exactly how to preform all aspects of a new job when they first start, and can always learn something from a more experienced worker. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Radar Posted March 14, 2018 Share Posted March 14, 2018 I think Moore as a signing makes most sense. McCarron or Bridgewater are probably next on my list. I thought McCowen but he stayed put with Jets. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimer1960 Posted March 14, 2018 Share Posted March 14, 2018 29 minutes ago, SouthNYfan said: Completely obtuse and ignorant statement. NO rookie knows the ins and outs of being an NFL player prior to arriving into the league. Just like nobody knows exactly how to preform all aspects of a new job when they first start, and can always learn something from a more experienced worker. I very much agree with this. A lot of folks seem to think that just because a rookie QB is drafted early that he is automatically "ready" to start right away and conversely, that a QB drafted later (perhaps even later in round 1) "needs a red-shirt year". I think that all rookie QBs will have a learning curve coming into the NFL, learning a new offense, learning how to mesh with new teammates, finding his way to getting along with and leading veteran players with much more experience, etc. Are some rookie QBs more ready to start right away in the NFL than others? Yes, but that doesn't mean that any of them are fully prepared. 1 hour ago, WideRightRevenge said: I'm saying let's not sign one of the 2nd tier FA QB's and draft two QB's .. you carry 3 QB's on the roster .. so why use your FA money on (Gabbert, EJ Manuel, Matt Moore, and a whole lot more on McCarron) ... I'd rather plug other holes via FA and draft one of the top 5 QB's in round 1 and come back with Falk or Mike White in Round 2. Joe Webb That would certainly be somewhat unconventional, but I don't think it is a horrible idea. On the other hand, I think that the draft picks that they will likely have to trade to move up to the top to get who they want will leave them with too few picks to make it likely that they will want to spend a 2nd/3rd on someone like Falk or White. I'm thinking that both 1sts and at least 1 2nd will be required to get where they want to be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KDIGGZ Posted March 14, 2018 Share Posted March 14, 2018 1 hour ago, WideRightRevenge said: Can't this be done by a QB coach .. one who played in the league before? Then it's a coach and not a peer. They will listen more to someone that's there with them going through it rather than a has been or never was Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TigerJ Posted March 14, 2018 Share Posted March 14, 2018 Having to depend on three QBs with a total of 1 year experience between them is never a healthy situation for a team. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsredneck1 Posted March 14, 2018 Share Posted March 14, 2018 17 minutes ago, kdiggz said: Then it's a coach and not a peer. They will listen more to someone that's there with them going through it rather than a has been or never was i agree with the op and would not rule it out. they want to build through the draft and if a guy like andy reid churns out successful draftees, i'm willing to bet we can find a good qb coach....preferably a former qb. peterman /mayfield/rudolph 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luxy312 Posted March 14, 2018 Share Posted March 14, 2018 2 hours ago, WideRightRevenge said: Why do we want Matt Moore or McCarron .. use that money on other positions ... why not improve your odds (of no bust pick) with a QB in the first and the second? More agressive flashback to what the Redskins did with RGIII and Kirk Cousins in same draft. I don't mind this plan at all. Basically skip the retread QB route and draft two guys to go with Peterman. #12 and 22 will get you two of the top six candidates. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boatdrinks Posted March 14, 2018 Share Posted March 14, 2018 You want to have a veteran starter going into the season, besides the in the room presence. The point in moving on from Tyrod was to upgrade the position, at all points in the season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
USABuffaloFan Posted March 14, 2018 Share Posted March 14, 2018 2 hours ago, WideRightRevenge said: Why do we want Matt Moore or McCarron .. use that money on other positions ... why not improve your odds (of no bust pick) with a QB in the first and the second? More agressive flashback to what the Redskins did with RGIII and Kirk Cousins in same draft. McCarron is 2-1 and a mid 90 grade as a QB starting in this league, 6TD to 2 INT. He is a upgrade at this point to Peterson who has a around 40 QB rating in 3-4 games played, 2TD and 5INT. If it doesn't break the bank sign McCarron, make it incentive laden. Draft a QB that falls to 12 (Allen, Baker, Jackson or Rudolph) and sign Moore as a fall back to teach these guys and also bail us out if needed. You can't have 3 guys with 2 and under years on the roster. McCarron has 4 years, 4 training camps, 3 starts and 11 games of experience. That is the guy I target to start 2018. If nothing else and he does well but still want to go to Rookie QB in 2019, he would be tradeable. Denver will not waste a their pick on a QB for the future signing Keenum 3 years guaranteed for $60.00. Jets and Miami may or may not now draft a guy, Cleveland definitely will, 1 of the Top 4 will slip through. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luxy312 Posted March 14, 2018 Share Posted March 14, 2018 5 hours ago, Boatdrinks said: You want to have a veteran starter going into the season, besides the in the room presence. The point in moving on from Tyrod was to upgrade the position, at all points in the season. The point of moving Tyrod could be to upgrade the position, but also simply be to move on from what didn't work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1st&ten Posted March 14, 2018 Share Posted March 14, 2018 10 hours ago, WideRightRevenge said: Can't this be done by a QB coach .. one who played in the league before? Ok guys we play the Chargers this week----Nate & the QB coach are going to led the prep & give an overview. QB coach & Nate, " the game plan is to run Shady 50 times---we'll pass 10 times" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted March 14, 2018 Share Posted March 14, 2018 11 hours ago, WideRightRevenge said: Why do we want Matt Moore or McCarron .. use that money on other positions ... why not improve your odds (of no bust pick) with a QB in the first and the second? More agressive flashback to what the Redskins did with RGIII and Kirk Cousins in same draft. Maybe what the Redskins did with RGIII and Kirk Cousins and no veteran in the room was not the best practice? RGIII didn't exactly develop as one would like. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punching Bag Posted March 14, 2018 Share Posted March 14, 2018 11 hours ago, Scott7975 said: And now they have neither QB and a ton of capital invested in them. You get a vet to help teach a rookie. Sign a vet to be assistant QB coach and trade Peteredman for a new waterboy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobDVA Posted March 15, 2018 Share Posted March 15, 2018 16 hours ago, SouthNYfan said: Completely obtuse and ignorant statement. NO rookie knows the ins and outs of being an NFL player prior to arriving into the league. Just like nobody knows exactly how to preform all aspects of a new job when they first start, and can always learn something from a more experienced worker. I am sorry Dr. Carson, I did not mean to interfere with your brain surgery. I was not referring to help with on the job training, I was talking about being a professional. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
djp14150 Posted March 15, 2018 Share Posted March 15, 2018 Doing this would be #$%@ing stupid in a waste of draft capital. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted March 15, 2018 Share Posted March 15, 2018 My reason for this is simple If you draft 2 qbs in the safe draft you have to get both those kids reps to develop them....hard to do. I think the bills did it right....we know so little about AJM that he actually might be GOOD. But the bills are gonna double down with a high rookie. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SouthNYfan Posted March 15, 2018 Share Posted March 15, 2018 6 hours ago, BobDVA said: I am sorry Dr. Carson, I did not mean to interfere with your brain surgery. I was not referring to help with on the job training, I was talking about being a professional. Learning about "being a pro" is about learning how to perform the job. Learning to "act professional" is more about the attitude/demeanor. Don't need to be a brain surgeon to know the difference. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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