snamsnoops Posted March 12, 2018 Share Posted March 12, 2018 Just now, JohnBonhamRocks said: I can't disagree that Cleveland probably offered the most for Taylor. We may have gotten a 3rd from another team, but who knows. I think, regardless, once a trade is part of recent history, it impacts overall market value. I don't actually think Taylor's value is all that directly indicative of Glenn's value though. Agree. I was just saying Cleveland may not be able to get free Agents to come and sign with them, so they over pay some for a trade! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColoradoBills Posted March 12, 2018 Share Posted March 12, 2018 1 hour ago, Logic said: Yes. For some reason that I still cannot fathom, the Bills seem intent on trading a top 15 starting LT on a good contract while his value is at its lowest. Then they'll likely spend a high pick to draft tackle. It makes NO sense to me. Never has. I've been all for Beane/McDermott's roster purging moves up until now, but this one....I just don't get. Unless Glenn has a bad attitude, I don't see why you don't just let him heal, let him and Dawkins compete, and whoever "loses" the competition plays on the right. Tackle problem solved. Instead they're going to force him out for a 6th round pick. Ludicrous. The ONLY way moving Glenn makes sense is if it's part of a trade-up package or if you get a 2nd round pick back. If it's neither of those things, then it's a silly move. Well said. If the Bill's get rid of Glenn they better have their eyes on bringing in a T and a G/C in FA. Hoping to strike gold on a couple of OL guys in the mid to later rounds is not very realistic. We lucked out that Dawkins played as well as he did as a rookie. OL players take time to develop. OL players get hurt in camp/preseason/season a lot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnBonhamRocks Posted March 12, 2018 Share Posted March 12, 2018 1 minute ago, snamsnoops said: Agree. I was just saying Cleveland may not be able to get free Agents to come and sign with them, so they over pay some for a trade! Eh, most years I'd agree, but I think Cleveland can give FAs plenty of R$E$A$S$O$N$S to become a Brown. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALF Posted March 12, 2018 Share Posted March 12, 2018 I would only trade Glenn to move up for a QB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wsam4031 Posted March 12, 2018 Share Posted March 12, 2018 1 hour ago, Logic said: Yes. For some reason that I still cannot fathom, the Bills seem intent on trading a top 15 starting LT on a good contract while his value is at its lowest. Then they'll likely spend a high pick to draft tackle. It makes NO sense to me. Never has. I've been all for Beane/McDermott's roster purging moves up until now, but this one....I just don't get. Unless Glenn has a bad attitude, I don't see why you don't just let him heal, let him and Dawkins compete, and whoever "loses" the competition plays on the right. Tackle problem solved. Instead they're going to force him out for a 6th round pick. Ludicrous. The ONLY way moving Glenn makes sense is if it's part of a trade-up package or if you get a 2nd round pick back. If it's neither of those things, then it's a silly move. I couldn't agree with you more. If hes healthy Glenn and Dawkins on each end looks really nice for a new qb! I'll be the first to say not to over value our players but I do feel, if healthy hes a premier LT. Trading for a 4th or possibly a 3rd I just don't feel the value there. Keep him and have a real nice line next year for our new starter! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ndirish1978 Posted March 12, 2018 Share Posted March 12, 2018 I'd rather keep him, but if we do trade Cordy I would hope we use him as part of a package that helps us move in to draft our franchise QB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jauronimo Posted March 12, 2018 Share Posted March 12, 2018 1 hour ago, thebandit27 said: I have a challenge for you: construct a post that is not intended to criticize someone else, but rather to add some type of original thought or idea to the discussion. I dare you. Or construct a post that is intended to criticize that isn't completely cringe-worthy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gobills1212 Posted March 12, 2018 Share Posted March 12, 2018 (edited) 1 hour ago, simool said: Man I don't know Bandit, original thought on this board is a bit of a unicorn... We do have a crap ton on the speculative thought side though.... Point blank, this is obv OT but is it bc the other board was shut? There was some good stuff on occasion there but this was far and away more informative and a better read. I'm not straight up blaming the influx as why the change has happened bc I don't know... but was it that? Was making the playoffs marking an up tick of people who wanted to discuss the team? Did board rules become less stringent where these posts wld just be merged before? It's not fair to say what it is when I don't know myself but the some or depending on time of year, most, of the posts act like it's a new discussion or an arm chair pov that hasn't had any research prior to posting are mind boggling. Its not fair also to lump all transplants in that group, but it was such an influx that i think it tends to. Many have brought great game with them and shoukd be/are respected.As I maintain, there is great stuff and great posts but now it needs to be sifted through. There didnt seem to be as much stuff that you are shocked someone actually attaches their name to. Edited March 12, 2018 by gobills1212 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billschinatown Posted March 12, 2018 Share Posted March 12, 2018 1 hour ago, RochesterRob said: People here are reading an awful lot into a tweet that amounts to a guess at best based on an off comment. Somebody at OBD when asked probably said everything was on the table so as not to invite intense speculation on one idea. I miss the days when a source was quoted and their name given. Yea. The good old days when Mr. Deep Throat wasn't afraid to show his face. Nostalgia is a funny thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted March 12, 2018 Share Posted March 12, 2018 I won’t debate whether it’s a good or bad idea since I don’t know what’s going on at OBD. How healthy is he? What is his attitude? Is he unhappy about possibly playing the right side? Did that cause a rift? What don’t we know? It’s hard for me to judge without more knowledge. I will say this.....it FEELS like something this FO would do. Nobody is untouchable. They like “their guys”. If they can save even a little on the cap while improving in other ways, they are not afraid to be bold. The rumors may be there for a reason.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DefenseWins Posted March 12, 2018 Share Posted March 12, 2018 Everyone seems to be assuming that he is "Healthy"... All we have heard is that he has been medically cleared to resume practicing/working out. That is not the same as being healthy. Not knowing his true condition none of us can really comment on what the Bills should do with him. I think we have to trust that this FO knows what they are doing. They seem to have earned that based on the moves they have made so far... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buddo Posted March 12, 2018 Share Posted March 12, 2018 I don't get people who say get someone in who is more the McBeane 'type', when talking about Glenn. Other than not playing much last year, his whole attitude etc. should be poster boy stuff for McBeane. Want a QB who is going to pass the pigskin? Then give that guy time to do it, and keeping Glenn can be an important part of that equation. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wayne Cubed Posted March 12, 2018 Share Posted March 12, 2018 Glenn’s value, is at its lowest point right now. You’d have to think teams will want to see him healthy, ala Watkins, before committing anything of real value to get him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted March 12, 2018 Share Posted March 12, 2018 1 hour ago, thebandit27 said: JMO, but having 2 good OTs is more valuable than 1 OT plus a draft pick and $3M in cap space. ...agree.....if he is healthy, what is the rush to trade him?.....slide him over to the right side which has to be less demanding than the blind side and get a year out of him....post June 1, 2019 cap hit is far more feasible especially with Bflo projected to have 80 something million in 2019 cap space......not sure why posters say "he would never go for switching to right side"......keep his pay the same.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnBonhamRocks Posted March 12, 2018 Share Posted March 12, 2018 6 minutes ago, Wayne Cubed said: Glenn’s value, is at its lowest point right now. You’d have to think teams will want to see him healthy, ala Watkins, before committing anything of real value to get him. That could just be a matter of our doctors talking to their doctors. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yav Posted March 12, 2018 Share Posted March 12, 2018 53 minutes ago, Logic said: Glenn "hasn't been healthy"? One year. It's been that way for one year. If one year of injury struggles is enough to get traded, then I don't know what to say. I love the way Beane and McDermott are building the team so far, and I have great faith that they know what they are doing. But in this instance, this one specific instance, I disagree with them. I think that if you're super into Dion Dawkins, then you let Cordy heal and you start him at RT or RG. If our offensive line was gangbusters, I'd say let Cordy walk. But the Bills have HUGE needs at RG and RT, and Glenn is capable of playing both spots. So to trade him away for peanuts (let's be real, they're not getting higher than a 5th round pick for him) just to go spend draft capital or FA dollars on an inferior player to man those positions -- all because Glenn had injury struggles for ONE season -- doesn't make any sense to me. He’s been banged up the past 2 seasons or have people forgotten the dude from Alabama playing LT under Rex? Its TD not just 1 season, he’s had heath issues. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wayne Cubed Posted March 12, 2018 Share Posted March 12, 2018 4 minutes ago, JohnBonhamRocks said: That could just be a matter of our doctors talking to their doctors. The key point was the last part of that sentence, “before committing anything of real value.” Sure, the Bills could trade him and get something for him without other teams seeing him in action again. The problem is, Glenn has had foot problems the last 2 seasons. Teams might not want to commit a higher trade pick unless they know Glenn is back to his old self. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoTier Posted March 12, 2018 Share Posted March 12, 2018 2 hours ago, BigBuff423 said: To be fair though, it’s not like it’s a Rookie contract. It’s a fair one, but it is costly and considering how well Dawkins played - I understand the impetus to try and parlay him into McBeane type of guys who are younger. However, I also support keeping him and moving him on the O-line. Good LTs don't come cheap! Moreover, while Dawkins played well for a rookie, he certainly didn't play well enough to be considered one of the better LTs in the league -- and there's no guarantee that he will even play as well in 2018 as he did in 2017. It's just not QBs who can look great before defenders get their numbers. As for how "well" the Bills OL did without Cordy Glenn last year, consider how many times Shady was stopped for 0 or minus yards (I think he may have led the league in those) and how often the pass rushers were in the backfield almost before Taylor got the ball. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjt328 Posted March 12, 2018 Share Posted March 12, 2018 If we are going back to a "Power Blocking" scheme, isn't anyone else concerned about Dion Dawkins having a sophomore slump? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest K-GunJimKelly12 Posted March 12, 2018 Share Posted March 12, 2018 (edited) 3 minutes ago, mjt328 said: If we are going back to a "Power Blocking" scheme, isn't anyone else concerned about Dion Dawkins having a sophomore slump? Not really. He was blocking guys ten yards down the field and until the whistle when he was in there. Dawkins was a steal for where we got him. He has talent and desire and is going to be a very good LT. Edited March 12, 2018 by K-GunJimKelly12 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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