BuffaloRush Posted February 22, 2018 Share Posted February 22, 2018 Ugh...Rob Quinn. He was writing a bad fan blog a few years ago. I know he covers the Bills for USA Today - but I don’t hold him in the same regard as other journalists Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alphadawg7 Posted February 22, 2018 Share Posted February 22, 2018 1 hour ago, 26CornerBlitz said: NFL free agency: Why Bills signing DT Star Lotulelei would be an epic mistakeThere’s been a lot of speculation regarding Buffalo potentially signing Carolina Panthers nose tackle Star Lotulelei. Sure, he was a starter in Sean McDermott’s defense. But after a stellar rookie season, Lotulelei has seen his play decline drastically while his linemate, Kawann Short, dominated and earned a big contract.As a rookie, Lotulelei looked like a gem, recording 42 tackles, three sacks, nine tackles for loss and four quarterback hits. He generated 24 quarterback pressures and registered a staggering 37 run stops, per Pro Football Focus.However, in the last three seasons combined, he’s recorded 73 tackles, 11 tackles for loss, 6.5 sacks and 12 quarterback hits. He registered 54 pressures and made only 32 run stops – five fewer than his rookie total – in that time. I will admit, I saw Star in a different light more based on remembering his early success and didn't really follow him closely enough and assumed he was still playing a high level. So this article was a little eye opening for me on him because he was a guy I both wanted and expected to be a target. McDermott knows him better than all of us, so if he still wants him then I will have confidence that McD knows what he is getting and doing. But after seeing this article and seeing how he has not had a lot of success in either pressuring the QB or stopping the run after a great start to his career is concerning. And given what he might cost, there are some other DT in FA that might make more sense unless Star comes at a good price. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dollars 2 donuts Posted February 22, 2018 Share Posted February 22, 2018 41 minutes ago, horned dogs said: Give me some Payne!!!! I dig it. Let's bring the Payne! I love me some Alabama Defensive Linem.......oooooooohhhhhhhh, wait a minute. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted February 22, 2018 Share Posted February 22, 2018 59 minutes ago, blacklabel said: Usually someone would point out that Poe is better suited for NT in a 3-4 but he actually played over 70% of the snaps for Atlanta last year and they run a 4-3. Stats-wise he had his best year since 2013. But the reasons the Chiefs let him go in 2016 were because his asking price was quite high plus he's had a consistent back injury to deal with for a few years now. I don't know if he's an FA this season or not but I can't see McBeane viewing and valuing him as anything more than a rotational DL. Stay away from back injuries Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCal Deek Posted February 22, 2018 Share Posted February 22, 2018 People please!! You don’t think a guy that actually COACHED him knows what he can do and what he’s worth? No....you all read some article from another talking head reporter and figure he has some inside scoop. Forgive me for trusting the process but I think I’m going to let Coach McD make the call on this one! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H2o Posted February 22, 2018 Share Posted February 22, 2018 If he's cheap I'm fine with it. If some team wants to give him 6-8 mill per then that's on them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bleeding Bills Blue Posted February 22, 2018 Share Posted February 22, 2018 Just now, SoCal Deek said: People please!! You don’t think a guy that actually COACHED him knows what he can do and what he’s worth? No....you all read some article from another talking head reporter and figure he has some inside scoop. Forgive me for trusting the process but I think I’m going to let Coach McD make the call on this one! I also think a guy like Beane is going to put a maximum value on him, and not overpay. His production would have to be very high for him to justify an 8-12 million dollar cap hit. If you don't think that you're going to get that production, you don't offer him that money. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alphadawg7 Posted February 22, 2018 Share Posted February 22, 2018 3 minutes ago, dollars 2 donuts said: I dig it. Let's bring the Payne! I love me some Alabama Defensive Linem.......oooooooohhhhhhhh, wait a minute. BOOM! Yeah I would love either Vita or Payne! Like I mentioned earlier, I had wanted to address DT in FA because there are some solid to good ones likely available and so we could free up what we can do with our draft picks, but if we do go DT in the draft I would love to grab Vita or Payne. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D. L. Hot-Flamethrower Posted February 22, 2018 Share Posted February 22, 2018 (edited) 34 minutes ago, dollars 2 donuts said: I dig it. Let's bring the Payne! I love me some Alabama Defensive Linem.......oooooooohhhhhhhh, wait a minute. This guy is nothing like Dareus. Big time motor! Inside Pass Rush Edited February 22, 2018 by horned dogs 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBeaneBandit Posted February 22, 2018 Share Posted February 22, 2018 6 M per year is the highest I go Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted February 22, 2018 Share Posted February 22, 2018 You could get a good DT in the draft with a 1st round pick if you DONT give them up to trade up for a QB Lamar Jackson.....and Payne? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Posted February 22, 2018 Share Posted February 22, 2018 59 minutes ago, Commonsense said: I'd pay him that kind of money if it means not wasting 21/22 on another DT like Vea. that s not wasting. Vea is a beast and would help our line tremendously. BPA baby! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBeaneBandit Posted February 22, 2018 Share Posted February 22, 2018 (edited) 3 minutes ago, John from Hemet said: You could get a good DT in the draft with a 1st round pick if you DONT give them up to trade up for a QB Lamar Jackson.....and Payne? That's actually my dream scenario. I'd like to find a guy to pair with the draftee in free agency as well Edited February 22, 2018 by ILoveEndingTheSeasonInNov Add more Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magox Posted February 22, 2018 Share Posted February 22, 2018 3 hours ago, aristocrat said: dontari poe is the guy i want This is the guy I'm hoping they target Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CommonCents Posted February 22, 2018 Share Posted February 22, 2018 55 minutes ago, Pete said: that s not wasting. Vea is a beast and would help our line tremendously. BPA baby! A rotational DT BPA at 21!? Say it ain't so! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royale with Cheese Posted February 22, 2018 Share Posted February 22, 2018 5 minutes ago, Commonsense said: A rotational DT BPA at 21!? Say it ain't so! Everyone on the defensive line rotates. McDermott uses the same strategy that Schwartz had. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CommonCents Posted February 22, 2018 Share Posted February 22, 2018 28 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said: Everyone on the defensive line rotates. McDermott uses the same strategy that Schwartz had. Right. So use that pick on someone that is going to play every snap. The player would have to be elite to justify using a first rounder on him if he is only playing 50 percent of the defensive snaps. So he is on the field less than a quarter of the game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royale with Cheese Posted February 22, 2018 Share Posted February 22, 2018 1 minute ago, Commonsense said: Right. So use that pick on someone that is going to play every snap. The player would have to be elite to justify using a first rounder on him if he is only playing 50 percent of the defensive snaps. So he is on the field less than a quarter of the game. Jerry Hughes and Kyle Williams got the most snaps at 68% and 66% of the snaps. The Eagles were in the same ballpark with Fletcher Cox and Brandon Graham. You still want talent on the DL even if they are playing at the 60% or so. They rely on front 4 pressure so they rotate fresh bodies all the time. The Panthers took DL in the first round twice when McDermott is there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Posted February 22, 2018 Share Posted February 22, 2018 (edited) It is my belief that games are won in the trenches. Give Peyton or Brady time and they would move the ball at will. Their success is enabled by the oline. Get in their grill (ie Giants) and they are beatable. Build this team with the lines first Edited February 22, 2018 by Pete 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CommonCents Posted February 22, 2018 Share Posted February 22, 2018 1 minute ago, Royale with Cheese said: Jerry Hughes and Kyle Williams got the most snaps at 68% and 66% of the snaps. The Eagles were in the same ballpark with Fletcher Cox and Brandon Graham. You still want talent on the DL even if they are playing at the 60% or so. They rely on front 4 pressure so they rotate fresh bodies all the time. The Panthers took DL in the first round twice when McDermott is there. Of course you want talent on the dline. Jerry Hughes is not an interior DL, Kyle probably would have played less if the Bills had more viable options for a rotation. Vea isn't going to rush the passer. It's like wasting a first rounder on Snacks Harrison. No thanks. I knew the Eagles would get mention, how did that rotation work in the SB? They got destroyed by a pretty ordinary Pats Oline and a 40 year old statue. The game has changed too much. A good QB is getting that ball out unless you have legit edge guys. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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