PromoTheRobot Posted January 31, 2018 Share Posted January 31, 2018 6 hours ago, GunnerBill said: Why do you? Trade the contract to Arizona as is and let them think about the option. For all the people saying "but three day window"..... do you not think that applies to the Smith trade too? Teams work these things out in advance of the league year all the time. Because Taylor could be cut by the Bills. So if you are a team considering Taylor, wouldn't you wait rather than trade an asset for a player who could be free in a few days? (And thanks to Hapless for setting me straight on Taylor's contact.) 2 hours ago, SectionC3 said: Not necessarily, right? Doesn't the roster bonus (or whatever bonus is owed) vest on the third or the fourth day of the league year? In that event, the trade could be accomplished after the opening of the league year but before the Bills would become liable for the roster bonus? Again, see above. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted January 31, 2018 Share Posted January 31, 2018 1 minute ago, PromoTheRobot said: Because Taylor could be cut by the Bills. So if you are a team considering Taylor, wouldn't you wait rather than trade an asset for a player who could be free in a few days? (And thanks to Hapless for setting me straight on Taylor's contact.) That really depends on how you value Tyrod vs the other likely FAs doesn't it? Let's say for arguments sake that a team like Arizona with an older roster decides it wants to make one last run rather than blow the whole thing up. They have no Quarterback but they think Kirk Cousins likely $30m per year is too rich for their tastes. They then come down to do I want Tyrod Taylor, Teddy Bridgewater, Josh McCown or Sam Bradford and consider Tyrod to be the most reliable of the lot and potentially even the best fit for that offense. For the sake of a 4th round pick you get exclusive rights to him and don't end up in a bidding war against other teams. That to me represents value. The Chiefs ultimately would have had to cut Smith if nobody had traded for him because their cap situation is desperate but rather than get into that bidding war where they might lose him the 'skins flipped a 3rd round pick and a player to KC for exclusive rights to negotiate an extension with Smith. These things happen pretty regularly in the NFL. If teams place the right value on getting in before the competition they trade for players, especially QBs, who might otherwise of been cut. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PromoTheRobot Posted January 31, 2018 Share Posted January 31, 2018 1 minute ago, GunnerBill said: That really depends on how you value Tyrod vs the other likely FAs doesn't it? Let's say for arguments sake that a team like Arizona with an older roster decides it wants to make one last run rather than blow the whole thing up. They have no Quarterback but they think Kirk Cousins likely $30m per year is too rich for their tastes. They then come down to do I want Tyrod Taylor, Teddy Bridgewater, Josh McCown or Sam Bradford and consider Tyrod to be the most reliable of the lot and potentially even the best fit for that offense. For the sake of a 4th round pick you get exclusive rights to him and don't end up in a bidding war against other teams. That to me represents value. The Chiefs ultimately would have had to cut Smith if nobody had traded for him because their cap situation is desperate but rather than get into that bidding war where they might lose him the 'skins flipped a 3rd round pick and a player to KC for exclusive rights to negotiate an extension with Smith. These things happen pretty regularly in the NFL. If teams place the right value on getting in before the competition they trade for players, especially QBs, who might otherwise of been cut. If that happens, then yes. But if you'd rather take your chances, then no. I seriously doubt the Bills can get anything for Taylor unless they pay his bonus and lock him up. That's a bit of poker Beane has to play in March. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted January 31, 2018 Share Posted January 31, 2018 Just now, PromoTheRobot said: If that happens, then yes. But if you'd rather take your chances, then no. I seriously doubt the Bills can get anything for Taylor unless they pay his bonus and lock him up. That's a bit of poker Beane has to play in March. I think they more likely get something trading him before and allowing the new team to negotiate with TT over his 2018 salary and beyond. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davspo Posted January 31, 2018 Share Posted January 31, 2018 Teams are desperate for qbs- do I think TT is worth anything no- but I would have never believed Smith would sign an extension of that magnitude. They just might get something for TT. National media loves him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tatonka68 Posted January 31, 2018 Share Posted January 31, 2018 Tyrod would make a good back up for Mahommes in KC and should be worth a 4th or 5th pick. TRUST THE SYSTEM! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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YoloinOhio Posted January 31, 2018 Share Posted January 31, 2018 10 hours ago, PromoTheRobot said: Well Smith is signed for 2018. Taylor is a free after unless you pick up his option. Whose going to trade you for someone they could just wait and sign? No option to pick up. TT is under contract until 2019. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Barbarian Posted January 31, 2018 Author Share Posted January 31, 2018 2 hours ago, ShadyBillsFan said: 3 time probowler? I thought he made it to 2 (as an alternates alternate) I believe it was a 3rd Denver might. Jax might, Az might. Are the JETS dumb enough? Yes 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Irv Posted January 31, 2018 Share Posted January 31, 2018 (edited) Taylor was originally a 6th round pick out of college. After being a starter in the league two years with awful receivers like "Hands like Stones Jones", a run-oriented offense, and not throwing a lot of dumb picks he has to be worth a third. Edited January 31, 2018 by Badthingsman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Barbarian Posted January 31, 2018 Author Share Posted January 31, 2018 3 hours ago, OldTimer1960 said: I don't think that there will be any trade market for Taylor. Remember he could have been a FA last offseason and his agent judged his market value so low that he took a reduced deal to stay with the Bills. His performance last year did not increase his value. Shhh 15 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said: Great minds. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted January 31, 2018 Share Posted January 31, 2018 6 minutes ago, Buffalo Barbarian said: Shhh Great minds. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Barbarian Posted January 31, 2018 Author Share Posted January 31, 2018 1 minute ago, 26CornerBlitz said: Better Than Nothing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PromoTheRobot Posted January 31, 2018 Share Posted January 31, 2018 34 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: No option to pick up. TT is under contract until 2019. Yes, I was corrected on that point by Hapless. But the end result is the same if the Bills cut him before his bonus is due, right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted January 31, 2018 Share Posted January 31, 2018 Per Buffalo Rumblings If Buffalo were to arrange a trade that would be consummated on the first day of the league year as Kansas City and Washington have done, the Bills would avoid paying Taylor’s $6 million roster bonus due a few days into the league year. That would clear $16 million in combined salary and bonus money owed to Taylor in 2018 and leave Buffalo with just $2.08 million in dead cap for Tyrod. Git R Dun !!! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starr Almighty Posted January 31, 2018 Share Posted January 31, 2018 I say we can't trade him for anything. I can't see a team trading for a high end backup type QB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted January 31, 2018 Share Posted January 31, 2018 (edited) https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/tyrod-taylor-will-be-a-prime-trade-chip-for-the-bills-in-the-offseason/ (if you start a new thread on this post you better give me partial credit ) Tyrod Taylor will be a prime trade chip for the Bills in the offseason Several NFL execs said they foresee a decent trade market for Taylor, who just turned 28 in August, this offseason, and expect interest to form at the combine. Not all teams will be in line to draft a quarterback they like, some will invariably prefer Taylor, who has played in 52 games (38 starts) with 47 touchdowns to just 17 interceptions (his 1.5 career interception percentage puts him atop league leaders) with a very solid QB rating of 92.1, while also averaging 5.5 yards per carry with 10 rushing touchdowns. Besides Brees, the free-agent class of quarterbacks is hardly overwhelming. Sam Bradford is hurt again, Teddy Bridgewater hasn't played in two years, Kirk Cousins is virtually uncertain to get tagged again -- franchise or transition -- and Case Keenum may be the next best available if he doesn't sign an extension. While teams could conceivably wait for the Bills to release Taylor -- given that looming roster bonus -- the ability to land him at a reasonable contract and secure his rights for at least 2018 will likely lead to someone giving Buffalo something of reasonable value for the quarterback, the GMs predicted I made an update to their story to make it up to date Edited January 31, 2018 by ShadyBillsFan 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimer1960 Posted January 31, 2018 Share Posted January 31, 2018 1 hour ago, ShadyBillsFan said: https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/tyrod-taylor-will-be-a-prime-trade-chip-for-the-bills-in-the-offseason/ (if you start a new thread on this post you better give me partial credit ) Tyrod Taylor will be a prime trade chip for the Bills in the offseason Several NFL execs said they foresee a decent trade market for Taylor, who just turned 28 in August, this offseason, and expect interest to form at the combine. Not all teams will be in line to draft a quarterback they like, some will invariably prefer Taylor, who has played in 52 games (38 starts) with 47 touchdowns to just 17 interceptions (his 1.5 career interception percentage puts him atop league leaders) with a very solid QB rating of 92.1, while also averaging 5.5 yards per carry with 10 rushing touchdowns. Besides Brees, the free-agent class of quarterbacks is hardly overwhelming. Sam Bradford is hurt again, Teddy Bridgewater hasn't played in two years, Kirk Cousins is virtually uncertain to get tagged again -- franchise or transition -- and Case Keenum may be the next best available if he doesn't sign an extension. While teams could conceivably wait for the Bills to release Taylor -- given that looming roster bonus -- the ability to land him at a reasonable contract and secure his rights for at least 2018 will likely lead to someone giving Buffalo something of reasonable value for the quarterback, the GMs predicted I made an update to their story to make it up to date Respectfully, I can't envision a "decent" trade market for Taylor. I'm not a TT hater at all, but the reason that the Bills want to move on from the 28 year old QB that they already have is that they know he is, at best, a low-end starter. I'm going to be surprised if they can get even a 5th round pick for him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wppete Posted January 31, 2018 Share Posted January 31, 2018 12 hours ago, H2o said: Maybe a 4th, at most a 3rd Trade him ASAP if we can get a 4th for him. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptnCoke11 Posted January 31, 2018 Share Posted January 31, 2018 Probably have to give a pick with Tyrod like Houston had to do with Osweiler. No team will give up a pick for Tyrod and his 18 million left on his contract. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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