Alex Smith vs. Sam Bradford

[Mat68]

As a Qb id prefer Bradford.  His injury history is what it is.  Also, the last few years when healthy he showed to be an above average Qb and healthy today is a better Qb than Taylor.  I think that Bradford should be the target.   Buffalo could sign Bradford and a starting DT for much less than the price tag for Cousin.  Im for Buffalo using the Fa period to bring in guys to compete for spots at each of the weakness or holes on the roster. Use the Draft to get a Qb you think could become a Franchise Qb and spend the second and third round picks to find a starter or day 1 sub package starter on offense and defense.  I think that is the best option Buffalo could go.  Im not saying I wouldn't reach out to Cousins but if he wants 25 mil plus a year and a massive guarantee like I expect him to want I would move on to the next guy on my list.  With Cousins being the hot commodity playing the averages and making a move for Bradford or which ever Qb they like first may be the smart move so you are not stuck with out a Qb when it all said and done.

4 minutes ago, Jay_Fixit said:

I’d prefer if Bridgewater was available but for your thread, I think Smith would be the better choice as far as a QB goes.

 

However, since the Chiefs are asking quite a bit, I’d prefer Bradford. If he’s healthy, he can play.

 

I hope that’s clear as mud.

 

Id prefer Bridgewater but Imo he seems to be Zimmers guy.  There was talk he would be the starter this year but Keenum went a run and didnt give Bridgewater a chance.  I think the Op is using the logic that Minny keeps 2 and those two most likley are Keenum and Bridgewater.  

[Dr. Who]

9 minutes ago, JohnBonhamRocks said:

Also chose Bradford because:

(a) injury history does not matter in this scenario as we are likely handing the reigns to a rookie QB sooner than later anyways; 

(b) costs less $;

(c) does not cost draft capital;

(d) has higher upside (if can stay healthy) because more talented

Reply to (a) If sooner is not sometime in the first three games, you're likely going to be disappointed in your investment.

[RyanC883]

37 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said:

For me it’s Smith and not very close. I don’t trust Bradford at all. Alex Smith played the best football of his career and is a good option for the next few years. If the Bills can get him for their 3 and the pick that they got for Ragland that would be great. If they have to insert a 2 instead so be it. 

 

The issue I have with Smith is that he is only under a 1 year deal, and many people will want Smith, so I think it will take a 2nd.  Then, he is going to want to cash-in.  I'm also not sure if he throws with anticipation.  And the 0 TD's to WR's of 2 years ago worries me.  

[Doc Brown]

2 minutes ago, Dr. Who said:

Reply to (a) If sooner is not sometime in the first three games, you're likely going to be disappointed in your investment.

Remove all rubber mats at SJF.

[Dr. Who]

Of course, one can simply deny the premise of the question.  You're not forced to choose between Bradford or Smith.  Get a wily vet who shakes loose for cheap and move up to get a potential franchise qb that could plausibly start (Mayfield, for example.)

Edited January 30, 2018 by Dr. Who

[MrEpsYtown]

I really like Bradford, but like Cousins he becomes your franchise quarterback. He is going to take a significant investment, at least the next 4 years. Not gonna get the money like Cousins, be isnt going to sign a 1 year deal. He is going to sign to be the guy. He's an borderline great player, but he always hurt. If I'm making that investment I probably take Bridgewater instead because he is younger and has similar question marks. 

 

I prefer Smith because he could be a bridge, or he could be the guys for the next 4-5 years. He gives you options. I really want a young guy drafted to be the guy for the next 10-15 years. Smith allows you to do that and still make the playoffs next year.  

[Lurker]

For context:

 

Bradford stats:  Advanced Passing   (100 is average, higher is better)

 

Year	Age	Tm	Pos	No.	G	GS	QBrec	Att	Y/A+	NY/A+	AY/A+	ANY/A+	Cmp%+	TD%+	Int%+	Sack%+	Rate+
Career					80	80	34-45-1	2887
2010	23	STL	QB	8	16	16	7-9-0	590	81	84	87	88	98	86	106	106	92
2011	24	STL	QB	8	10	10	1-9-0	357	79	73	86	82	75	71	119	76	82
2012	25	STL	QB	8	16	16	7-8-1	551	92	94	96	97	96	95	107	104	97
2013	26	STL	qb	8	7	7	3-4-0	262	83	89	100	102	96	111	119	108	105
2015	28	PHI	QB	7	14	14	7-7-0	532	95	98	93	95	108	89	96	108	95
2016	29	MIN	QB	8	15	15	7-8-0	552	97	96	105	104	135	91	126	98	115

 

 

Smith stats:   Advanced Passing   (100 is average, higher is better)

 

Year	Age	Tm	Pos	No.	G	GS	QBrec	Att	Y/A+	NY/A+	AY/A+	ANY/A+	Cmp%+	TD%+	Int%+	Sack%+	Rate+
Career					156	151	88-62-1	4613
2005	21	SFO	qb	11	9	7	2-5-0	165	73	60	53	49	71	60	40	47	49
2006	22	SFO	QB	11	16	16	7-9-0	442	94	94	92	92	93	96	92	94	92
2007	23	SFO	qb	11	7	7	2-5-0	193	56	59	69	69	57	66	115	88	66
2009	25	SFO	QB	11	11	10	5-5-0	372	88	90	92	93	98	109	96	103	98
2010	26	SFO	QB	11	11	10	3-7-0	342	98	98	98	98	97	98	101	95	98
2011	27	SFO	QB	11	16	16	13-3-0	445	99	93	108	104	103	95	128	77	108
2012	28	SFO	QB	11	10	9	6-2-1	218	117	107	117	111	133	118	108	71	123
2013*	29	KAN	QB	11	15	15	11-4-0	508	85	87	100	99	96	102	122	94	103
2014	30	KAN	QB	11	15	15	8-7-0	464	96	92	104	101	112	93	121	81	107
2015	31	KAN	QB	11	16	16	11-5-0	470	105	99	109	104	110	98	116	79	109
2016*	32	KAN	QB	11	15	15	11-4-0	489	100	104	101	104	117	85	113	105	103
2017*	33	KAN	QB	11	15	15	9-6-0	505	120	117	123	121	119	111	123	97	123

 

 

Tyrod Taylor:   Advanced Passing   (100 is average, higher is better)

 

Year	Age	Tm	Pos	No.	G	GS	QBrec	Att	Y/A+	NY/A+	AY/A+	ANY/A+	Cmp%+	TD%+	Int%+	Sack%+	Rate+
Career					58	43	22-20-0	1271
2015*	26	BUF	QB/wr	5	14	14	7-6-0	380	119	109	120	113	103	110	115	79	115
2016	27	BUF	QB	5	15	15	7-8-0	436	95	92	102	99	96	94	117	78	101
2017	28	BUF	QB	5	15	14	8-6-0	420	91	84	100	95	100	89	124	68	101

 

 

Edited January 30, 2018 by Lurker

[Original Byrd Man]

53 minutes ago, Wayne Arnold said:

The more I analyze this Buffalo Bills offseason, the more I think our 2018 starting QB could come down to either Alex Smith or Sam Bradford.

 

When it comes to the Draft, the Bills are in a tough spot at picks 21/22. Teams are going to want a king's ransom in order to move up to the Top 10 (much less Top 5).

 

I also see this QB class as being way more flawed than people choose to believe. Each prospect has his own warts. There might be a star in this class, but no one knows who it is. It might be the 1st rated QB in the class, or it might be the 5th rated. It's a total crap shoot.

 

So what is the Bills' best option for 2018 (and beyond)? It might be one of the veteran QB's that will be available.

 

Kirk Cousins: As much as I would love it to happen, I don't see Kirk Cousins being realistic for us considering the lack of cap space we have and the competition for his services.

Teddy Bridgewater: This guy is a total question mark due to his knee. I'm guessing that he'll stay with the Vikings on a prove-you-can-still-play one-year contract extension.

Case Keenum: I think the Vikings give him a solid contract extension.

 

The rest are trash.

 

That leaves Sam Bradford (Free Agent) and Alex Smith (under contract with the Chiefs)

 

Sam Bradford Upside:

 

• Despite having nearly a decade of experience as a starting NFL QB in this league, Bradford will still only be 30 years old when the 2018 season begins
• Won't have to give up any draft picks for him
• Considering his injury history, he may be good value if we can get him at a price lower than expected
• Career at an upward trajectory - had a career year in 2016 and played at a very high level in his two starts in 2017
• Played under Josh McDaniels in 2011, so may be already acclimated to many of Brain Daboll's concepts

 

Sam Bradford Downside: 

 

• Has been plagued by injuries for much of his career. Can he get and stay healthy?
• Risky acquisition. Can we afford him considering all the competition for the services of quarterback out there?

 

Alex Smith Upside:

 

• Coming off the best season of his career
• Competitive guy, underdog 'me-against-the-world' mentality could fit in well in Buffalo

 

Alex Smith Downside:

 

• Must give up draft picks to get him
• Only one year left on his deal - is he worth it?
• Can he perform at such a high level without Andy Reid?
• Some describe him as Tyrod Taylor without the wheels - doesn't read the field quickly and hesitates to throw to WR who aren't wide open
• Turns 35 years old this May - how much does he have left?

 

Thoughts?

 

 

I chose Bradford just because there are no picks involved.   He is talented when healthy and if he goes down it gives Peterman another opportunity.

[FearLess Price]

Remember when Tyrod pantsed Alex smith?

 

Lmao.

 

On a serious note tho.

 

Bradford is the better QB and its obvious.

 

The mitigating factor here is durability.

 

For that reason alone id sign AS, especially if we are taking any rookie QB not named Mayfield, Darnold, or Rosen.

 

Can you imagine the devestation if Bradford gets hurt and we have to start NP all year? 

 

Well at least we would be tanking properly 

 

 

 

[Tatonka68]

Dont want to give up too much for Smith, a 3rd and a 5th is as much i would give. 

[Hapless Bills Fan]

48 minutes ago, Like A Mofo said:

Smith I would select, but is Smith really that much of an upgrade over keeping Tyrod and NOT giving up and a 2nd and 4th round pick?

 

I think he is at this point, yes, provided we upgrade at WR and give him some good targets to throw to.

I view Smith as the ceiling Tyrod Taylor could potentially reach if you give him 3 more years under a consistent high-quality OC.  We don't have 3 more years to give Taylor.  Take Smith and draft the best rookie left when we pick (or modest trade-up)

 

I'm not sure KC gets a 2nd and 4th for Smith.  A lot depends on how the QB draft class continues to shake out and the FA QB market.

 

Edited January 30, 2018 by Hapless Bills Fan

[frostbitmic]

If you sign Bradford you better count on your rookie or Peterman starting by October.

[Hapless Bills Fan]

4 minutes ago, Original Byrd Man said:

I chose Bradford just because there are no picks involved.   He is talented when healthy and if he goes down it gives Peterman another opportunity.

 

that last was an argument against Bradford, right? unless sarcasm

[VABills]

6 minutes ago, Lurker said:

For context:

 

Bradford career stats:

 

Year	Age	Tm	Pos	No.	G	GS	QBrec	Cmp	Att	Cmp%	Yds	TD	TD%	Int	Int%	Lng	Y/A	AY/A	Y/C	Y/G	Rate	QBR	Sk	Yds	NY/A	ANY/A	Sk%	4QC	GWD	AV
Career					80	80	34-45-1	1805	2887	62.5	19049	101	3.5	57	2.0	80	6.6	6.4	10.6	238.1	85.1		190	1338	5.76	5.58	6.2	7	8	48
4 yrs		STL			49	49	18-30-1	1032	1760	58.6	11065	59	3.4	38	2.2	80	6.3	6.0	10.7	225.8	79.3		120	822	5.45	5.17	6.4	6	5	27
2 yrs		MIN			17	17	9-8-0	427	595	71.8	4259	23	3.9	5	0.8	71	7.2	7.6	10.0	250.5	101.1		42	316	6.19	6.56	6.6	1	1	12
1 yr		PHI			14	14	7-7-0	346	532	65.0	3725	19	3.6	14	2.6	78	7.0	6.5	10.8	266.1	86.4		28	200	6.29	5.85	5.0	0	2	9
2010	23	STL	QB	8	16	16	7-9-0	354	590	60.0	3512	18	3.1	15	2.5	49	6.0	5.4	9.9	219.5	76.5	49.6	34	244	5.24	4.73	5.4			9
2011	24	STL	QB	8	10	10	1-9-0	191	357	53.5	2164	6	1.7	6	1.7	68	6.1	5.6	11.3	216.4	70.5	34.4	36	248	4.88	4.49	9.2	1	1	3
2012	25	STL	QB	8	16	16	7-8-1	328	551	59.5	3702	21	3.8	13	2.4	80	6.7	6.4	11.3	231.4	82.6	55.7	35	233	5.92	5.64	6.0	4	3	9
2013	26	STL	qb	8	7	7	3-4-0	159	262	60.7	1687	14	5.3	4	1.5	73	6.4	6.8	10.6	241.0	90.9	58.2	15	97	5.74	6.10	5.4	1	1	6
2015	28	PHI	QB	7	14	14	7-7-0	346	532	65.0	3725	19	3.6	14	2.6	78	7.0	6.5	10.8	266.1	86.4	42.8	28	200	6.29	5.85	5.0	0	2	9
2016	29	MIN	QB	8	15	15	7-8-0	395	552	71.6	3877	20	3.6	5	0.9	71	7.0	7.3	9.8	258.5	99.3	59.0	37	276	6.11	6.41	6.3	1	1	11
2017	30	MIN	qb	8	2	2	2-0-0	32	43	74.4	382	3	7.0	0	0.0	44	8.9	10.3	11.9	191.0	124.4	72.4	5	40	7.13	8.38	10.4			1

 

Smith career stats: 

 

Year	Age	Tm	Pos	No.	G	GS	QBrec	Cmp	Att	Cmp%	Yds	TD	TD%	Int	Int%	Lng	Y/A	AY/A	Y/C	Y/G	Rate	QBR	Sk	Yds	NY/A	ANY/A	Sk%	4QC	GWD	AV
Career					156	151	88-62-1	2877	4613	62.4	31888	183	4.0	96	2.1	80	6.9	6.8	11.1	204.4	87.4		388	2203	5.94	5.80	7.8	19	23	112
7 yrs		SFO			80	75	38-36-1	1290	2177	59.3	14280	81	3.7	63	2.9	75	6.6	6.0	11.1	178.5	79.1		196	1182	5.52	5.01	8.3	10	12	40
5 yrs		KAN			76	76	50-26-0	1587	2436	65.1	17608	102	4.2	33	1.4	80	7.2	7.5	11.1	231.7	94.8		192	1021	6.31	6.52	7.3	9	11	72
2005	21	SFO	qb	11	9	7	2-5-0	84	165	50.9	875	1	0.6	11	6.7	47	5.3	2.4	10.4	97.2	40.8		29	185	3.56	1.11	14.9	1	2	-3
2006	22	SFO	QB	11	16	16	7-9-0	257	442	58.1	2890	16	3.6	16	3.6	75	6.5	5.6	11.2	180.6	74.8	46.4	35	202	5.64	4.80	7.3	1	2	10
2007	23	SFO	qb	11	7	7	2-5-0	94	193	48.7	914	2	1.0	4	2.1	45	4.7	4.0	9.7	130.6	57.2	19.5	17	121	3.78	3.11	8.1	2	2	0
2009	25	SFO	QB	11	11	10	5-5-0	225	372	60.5	2350	18	4.8	12	3.2	73	6.3	5.8	10.4	213.6	81.5	45.0	22	134	5.62	5.17	5.6			7
2010	26	SFO	QB	11	11	10	3-7-0	204	342	59.6	2370	14	4.1	10	2.9	62	6.9	6.4	11.6	215.5	82.1	46.2	25	140	6.08	5.61	6.8			6
2011	27	SFO	QB	11	16	16	13-3-0	273	445	61.3	3144	17	3.8	5	1.1	56	7.1	7.3	11.5	196.5	90.7	57.2	44	263	5.89	6.13	9.0	6	6	13
2012	28	SFO	QB	11	10	9	6-2-1	153	218	70.2	1737	13	6.0	5	2.3	55	8.0	8.1	11.4	173.7	104.1	67.3	24	137	6.61	6.76	9.9			7
2013*	29	KAN	QB	11	15	15	11-4-0	308	508	60.6	3313	23	4.5	7	1.4	71	6.5	6.8	10.8	220.9	89.1	48.1	39	210	5.67	5.94	7.1	1	1	14
2014	30	KAN	QB	11	15	15	8-7-0	303	464	65.3	3265	18	3.9	6	1.3	70	7.0	7.2	10.8	217.7	93.4	56.8	45	229	5.96	6.14	8.8	3	3	13
2015	31	KAN	QB	11	16	16	11-5-0	307	470	65.3	3486	20	4.3	7	1.5	80	7.4	7.6	11.4	217.9	95.4	64.1	45	235	6.31	6.48	8.7	1	1	16
2016*	32	KAN	QB	11	15	15	11-4-0	328	489	67.1	3502	15	3.1	8	1.6	80	7.2	7.0	10.7	233.5	91.2	66.1	28	140	6.50	6.39	5.4	3	3	12
2017*	33	KAN	QB	11	15	15	9-6-0	341	505	67.5	4042	26	5.1	5	1.0	79	8.0	8.6	11.9	269.5	104.7	63.4	35	207	7.10	7.65	6.5	1	3	17

 

Interesting.  throwing Taylor in there fore comparison.  Other than less yards per game, Taylor is as good or better in every category.  TD%, INT%, Comp%,  QB Rating, yards per pass, and his yards per game as a starter are pretty equal to Smith over his career (201 vs 204).  Plus Taylor is younger.  I say if you make a move for anyone you go Bradford or you stick with Taylor.  

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Year	Age	Tm	Pos	No.	G	GS	QBrec	Cmp	Att	Cmp%	Yds	TD	TD%	Int	Int%	Lng	Y/A	AY/A	Y/C	Y/G	Rate	QBR	Sk	Yds	NY/A	ANY/A	Sk%	4QC	GWD	AV
Career					58	43	22-20-0	793	1271	62.4	9056	51	4.0	18	1.4	84	7.1	7.3	11.4	156.1	91.2		129	693	5.97	6.12	9.2	3	5	41
4 yrs		BAL			14	0		19	35	54.3	199	0	0.0	2	5.7	25	5.7	3.1	10.5	14.2	47.2		5	33	4.15	1.90	12.5			1
3 yrs		BUF			44	43	22-20-0	774	1236	62.6	8857	51	4.1	16	1.3	84	7.2	7.4	11.4	201.3	92.5		124	660	6.03	6.25	9.1	3	5	40
2011	22	BAL		2	3	0		1	1	100.0	18	0	0.0	0	0.0	18	18.0	18.0	18.0	6.0	118.7	14.7	2	3	5.00	5.00	66.7			0
2012	23	BAL		2	7	0		17	29	58.6	179	0	0.0	1	3.4	25	6.2	4.6	10.5	25.6	62.3	68.8	3	30	4.66	3.25	9.4			1
2013	24	BAL		2	3	0		1	5	20.0	2	0	0.0	1	20.0	2	0.4	-8.6	2.0	0.7	0.0	73.2	0	0	0.40	-8.60	0.0			0
2014	25	BAL		2	1	0		0	0		0	0		0		0				0.0		1.7	0	0						0
2015*	26	BUF	QB/wr	5	14	14	7-6-0	242	380	63.7	3035	20	5.3	6	1.6	63	8.0	8.3	12.5	216.8	99.4	70.3	36	212	6.79	7.10	8.7	1	2	13
2016	27	BUF	QB	5	15	15	7-8-0	269	436	61.7	3023	17	3.9	6	1.4	84	6.9	7.1	11.2	201.5	89.7	68.2	42	192	5.92	6.07	8.8	1	1	15
2017	28	BUF	QB	5	15	14	8-6-0	263	420	62.6	2799	14	3.3	4	1.0	47	6.7	6.9	10.6	186.6	89.2	56.4	46	256	5.46	5.67	9.9	1	2	12

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1 minute ago, VABills said:

Interesting.  throwing Taylor in there fore comparison.  Other than less yards per game, Taylor is as good or better in every category.  TD%, INT%, Comp%,  QB Rating, yards per pass, and his yards per game as a starter are pretty equal to Smith over his career (201 vs 204).  Plus Taylor is younger.  I say if you make a move for anyone you go Bradford or you stick with Taylor.  

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Year	Age	Tm	Pos	No.	G	GS	QBrec	Cmp	Att	Cmp%	Yds	TD	TD%	Int	Int%	Lng	Y/A	AY/A	Y/C	Y/G	Rate	QBR	Sk	Yds	NY/A	ANY/A	Sk%	4QC	GWD	AV
Career					58	43	22-20-0	793	1271	62.4	9056	51	4.0	18	1.4	84	7.1	7.3	11.4	156.1	91.2		129	693	5.97	6.12	9.2	3	5	41
4 yrs		BAL			14	0		19	35	54.3	199	0	0.0	2	5.7	25	5.7	3.1	10.5	14.2	47.2		5	33	4.15	1.90	12.5			1
3 yrs		BUF			44	43	22-20-0	774	1236	62.6	8857	51	4.1	16	1.3	84	7.2	7.4	11.4	201.3	92.5		124	660	6.03	6.25	9.1	3	5	40
2011	22	BAL		2	3	0		1	1	100.0	18	0	0.0	0	0.0	18	18.0	18.0	18.0	6.0	118.7	14.7	2	3	5.00	5.00	66.7			0
2012	23	BAL		2	7	0		17	29	58.6	179	0	0.0	1	3.4	25	6.2	4.6	10.5	25.6	62.3	68.8	3	30	4.66	3.25	9.4			1
2013	24	BAL		2	3	0		1	5	20.0	2	0	0.0	1	20.0	2	0.4	-8.6	2.0	0.7	0.0	73.2	0	0	0.40	-8.60	0.0			0
2014	25	BAL		2	1	0		0	0		0	0		0		0				0.0		1.7	0	0						0
2015*	26	BUF	QB/wr	5	14	14	7-6-0	242	380	63.7	3035	20	5.3	6	1.6	63	8.0	8.3	12.5	216.8	99.4	70.3	36	212	6.79	7.10	8.7	1	2	13
2016	27	BUF	QB	5	15	15	7-8-0	269	436	61.7	3023	17	3.9	6	1.4	84	6.9	7.1	11.2	201.5	89.7	68.2	42	192	5.92	6.07	8.8	1	1	15
2017	28	BUF	QB	5	15	14	8-6-0	263	420	62.6	2799	14	3.3	4	1.0	47	6.7	6.9	10.6	186.6	89.2	56.4	46	256	5.46	5.67	9.9	1	2	12

1 playoff game - full playoff gamelogs

 

They're not sticking with Taylor.

[VABills]

1 minute ago, Wayne Arnold said:

 

They're not sticking with Taylor.

I tend to agree, but neither of these two is an upgrade over Taylor.  Plus at 201 YPG, he also adds another 40 RPG that these two don't so in effect you wind up better off with Taylor.  

[hemma]

Smith, if available.

 

I'm not all that sure that Reid will let him go anyway. 

He may decide to have him start the 1st half or more, then ease Mahomes in the last 1/2 of the year.

 

Definitely interesting that according to espn's take on KC's roster, Smith is already gone:

http://www.espn.com/nfl/team/roster/_/name/kc/kansas-city-chiefs

[Fan in Chicago]

1 hour ago, Kirby Jackson said:

For me it’s Smith and not very close. I don’t trust Bradford at all. Alex Smith played the best football of his career and is a good option for the next few years. If the Bills can get him for their 3 and the pick that they got for Ragland that would be great. If they have to insert a 2 instead so be it. 

McD preaches availability so on that score alone, we won't get Bradford

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

43 minutes ago, FearLess Price said:

Remember when Tyrod pantsed Alex smith?

 

 

The Punt, Punt, Punt TD 1st QTR? 

1:36 2nd and 9 at KC11Tyrod Taylor pass to the left to Zay Jones for 11 yards for a TOUCHDOWN.

 

 

The defense did it's job 

 

Edited January 30, 2018 by ShadyBillsFan

[BillsFan130]

Alex Smith in a heartbeat. I find Bradford so overrated 

44 minutes ago, FearLess Price said:

Remember when Tyrod pantsed Alex smith?

 

Lmao.

 

On a serious note tho.

 

Bradford is the better QB and its obvious.

 

The mitigating factor here is durability.

 

For that reason alone id sign AS, especially if we are taking any rookie QB not named Mayfield, Darnold, or Rosen.

 

Can you imagine the devestation if Bradford gets hurt and we have to start NP all year? 

 

Well at least we would be tanking properly 

 

 

 

Why is it obvious Bradford is better?

 

What has Bradford accomplished in almost 10 years in this league?

 

I don’t believe he’s ever even played in the playoffs