row_33 Posted January 24, 2018 Share Posted January 24, 2018 7 minutes ago, TheFunPolice said: Keenum got lucky on a miracle play vs New Orleans then got stomped in Philly. He was just OK this season in my opinion. Saints were the best team in the NFC, tough luck on that epic moment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted January 24, 2018 Author Share Posted January 24, 2018 2 minutes ago, GunnerBill said: I think he is the best of that bunch because he is the most accurate of that bunch but he is not suddenly a franchise saviour. He is a serviceable placeholder. I think we have one of those too. Keenum is better than Tyrod and would likely do a lot better than him with Daboll's system... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheFunPolice Posted January 24, 2018 Share Posted January 24, 2018 8 minutes ago, row_33 said: Saints were the best team in the NFC, tough luck on that epic moment. Yup.. at the time I figured that missed tackle handed Brady his 6th ring. But after really studying the Eagles I feel a lot better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoBills808 Posted January 24, 2018 Share Posted January 24, 2018 17 minutes ago, TheFunPolice said: Keenum got lucky on a miracle play vs New Orleans then got stomped in Philly. He was just OK this season in my opinion. I think he was better than just OK, but the overall point is well taken: this year was an aberration for Keenum rather than some indicator of untapped potential. He still makes those weird backfooted throws that are begging to be picked off, lucky to be playing in a weak division with a great defense, has two All-Pro caliber wideouts who really, really help out...I wouldn't use this year, in which I thought he was borderline terrific, to define him. It's a highlight but unlikely to be repeated IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted January 24, 2018 Share Posted January 24, 2018 21 minutes ago, TheFunPolice said: Yup.. at the time I figured that missed tackle handed Brady his 6th ring. But after really studying the Eagles I feel a lot better. as with every Super Bowl I hope it is interesting into the 4th quarter... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheFunPolice Posted January 24, 2018 Share Posted January 24, 2018 IMO, Rogers snapping his collarbone did a lot to help the Vikings as well. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kota Posted January 24, 2018 Share Posted January 24, 2018 No. Case is a nice story but he will only get you so far. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ProcessTheTrust Posted January 24, 2018 Share Posted January 24, 2018 On the other end of the spectrum, there are still those QBs who come in day 1 (or close) and do well. I think most GMs/HCs want to pretend it's a league of grooming a guy, but the pressure dictates get a guy, find out if he's got it, and if he doesn't fairly soon, move on. Nothing can change that. It's up to the guys like Keenum to do all they can to work on their flaws and hope they land in the right opportunity before it's too late. I'm sure there have been many guys with enough talent who never got their shot. Oh well. Literally...that's life. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
transplantbillsfan Posted January 24, 2018 Share Posted January 24, 2018 (edited) I don't think any light finally clicked. Keenum just ended up in an ideal circumstance on an incredibly talented team with excellent wide receivers and a spectacular OC who earned himself a HC gig with the work he did with Keenum. He is very likely coming crashing back to earth next year. The thing people might need to reevaluate is how much of an impact a great OC can have on a QB's game. So whoever we have under center next year, I hope Dabol is great. If he's as bad as Dennison, I don't know how much our QB can really do. Edited January 24, 2018 by transplantbillsfan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ProcessTheTrust Posted January 24, 2018 Share Posted January 24, 2018 (edited) I mean think about it with our current situation with TT. He's another guy who looked like just needed some time on the bench to learn and when he got his shot, could become the franchise. Welp.... Edited January 24, 2018 by ProcessTheTrust Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed_Formerly_of_Roch Posted January 24, 2018 Share Posted January 24, 2018 As was pointed out, lets see how he does over a couple of seasons and maybe without a great defense around him. You could make the same argument for Fitz. (and others) He looked good for awhile too until teams figured him out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted January 24, 2018 Share Posted January 24, 2018 7 minutes ago, Ed_Formerly_of_Roch said: As was pointed out, lets see how he does over a couple of seasons and maybe without a great defense around him. You could make the same argument for Fitz. (and others) He looked good for awhile too until teams figured him out. I subscribe to the view that nobody cares about unheralded rookies or scrubs who get a shot after a few years of clipboard if they pan out then a book is written on them the saddest book is "let's make him be a QB" 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BadLandsMeanie Posted January 24, 2018 Share Posted January 24, 2018 I think it is the owners who need to think differently. The way GMs and Coaches get fired every 2 or 3 years, there is no time to take the long view for them. If I am a GM who picks a QB in the second round so he will develop in 3 or 4 years, I am lowering my odds of having a job in two years. I will never be there to see it. Same with the coach. He doesn't want a guy on the roster who might be good in 3 years. He wants that spot for someone who can play now. That is not their fault it is the owners fault. The only one who can and does do that, is Bellichick. I think the owners should be responsible for long term planning when it comes to QB and the O-line. Because otherwise, as we have seen, it doesn't get done. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted January 24, 2018 Share Posted January 24, 2018 3 hours ago, 26CornerBlitz said: The clock struck twelve on Keenum. Yup- he’s a pumpkin again Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted January 24, 2018 Share Posted January 24, 2018 1 minute ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said: Yup- he’s a pumpkin again Rumor is that he's back to scrubbing floors. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay_Fixit Posted January 24, 2018 Share Posted January 24, 2018 3 hours ago, Dalton said: Agree but a team will make him right I suspect - hopefully not the Bills. As long as it’s not an overpay, I don’t mind. As long as a QB is drafted in the first. I’m sure some team will throw a bunch of money his way. He’d be an upgrade over Taylor. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Green Lightning Posted January 24, 2018 Share Posted January 24, 2018 3 hours ago, 26CornerBlitz said: The clock struck twelve on Keenum. This. Playoffs, the screws tighten and the pressure separates the quality QBs. Case is ok, nit not the guy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xRUSHx Posted January 24, 2018 Share Posted January 24, 2018 1 hour ago, kdiggz said: Keenum is just the latest in the "journeyman QB's" to have some success. they all have a blip on the radar at some point but when put in the position of being "the man" they regress and you realize that their small window of success was just an outlier. let's face it, if you throw enough passes in this league you are bound to get on a hot streak every now and then. guys like Keenum, Fitz, McCown, Hoyer...those guys are who they are. if you think they are all of a sudden good then you are just fooling yourself Excellent post, right on man 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DisplacedBillsFan Posted January 24, 2018 Share Posted January 24, 2018 3 hours ago, DCOrange said: If a guy is going to take 7 years to develop like Keenum, he just isn't worth a draft pick. That's far too long to wait. In 2011 we drafted; Round 1 Marcell Dareus Round 2 Aaron Williams Round 3 Kelvin Sheppard Round 4 Da'Norris Searcy Round 4 Chris Hairston Round 5 Johnny White Round 6 Chris White Round 7 Just Rogers Round 7 Michael Jasper I would say, having a QB on the roster this year that played as well as Keenum did would be worth any one of those draft picks, considering none of them are even on the team any longer or (aside from Dareus) even making a meaningful contribution to a team in the NFL. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloHokie13 Posted January 24, 2018 Share Posted January 24, 2018 3 minutes ago, DisplacedBillsFan said: I would say, having a QB on the roster this year that played as well as Keenum did would be worth any one of those draft picks, considering none of them are even on the team any longer or (aside from Dareus) even making a meaningful contribution to a team in the NFL. 6 years in means we'd have already given him a 2nd contract and he'd be at least 2 years into that one. In his first 3 years in Houston he started 10 games and the Texans went 2-8 in those games. Thinking he'd have lasted beyond his rookie contract is foolish. If a player isn't going to contribute within the duration of their rookie contract then they aren't worth the draft pick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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