Mat68 Posted January 18, 2018 Share Posted January 18, 2018 I would trade up. They didnt want Watson cant imagine they are high on Jackson. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnC Posted January 18, 2018 Share Posted January 18, 2018 3 minutes ago, starrymessenger said: People saying Jackson needs to find another position are delusional. He has excellent pocket awareness, knows how and when to step up, has a big arm, sees the field, can read a defence and can absolutely go through progressions. He threw for like 3,700 yards last year while running for 1600.. As has been mentioned, adjusted for drops his comp % is higher than Darnold's. He's the #1 prospect IMO and 100% a QB. He has a mechanical issue pushing off his front rather than his back foot that causes his ball to sail at times. But that's it and it will be corrected. It's not the kind of flaw that's hard to iron out. Darnold's throwing motion definitely is hard to correct and is much more serious. They tried unsuccessfully to coach it out of him. It's a big problem. Kiper and Cowerd don't have Jackson in their first round mock. That's ludicrous. He is more likely to be the first player off the board than to he is to drop out of round #1. Good post. I agree with your assessment of him that he has exhibited the traits necessary to be a pro qb. It's a question whether he can work on the details of his mechanics so that they will be more consistent and natural when he plays . His improvement over the past two years is evident. He is moving from one side of the spectrum of being an athletic qb to the other side of the specturm of being a more refined qb. He's certainly has a way to go but his trajectory is upwards. There are qbs in this draft who will be more ready to play sooner. But that is not to say that although he has a unique style of play in a few years he will be as effective as any qb in this draft class. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted January 19, 2018 Share Posted January 19, 2018 I chose Jackson. All of these guys are boom or bust. His upside is higher than Rudolph. Last year, watching Jackson I thought he was likely never to be good enough to be an NFL QB even though he was the best player in college. This year, he made a quantum leap. He wasn't even the best player in college, Mayfield was, but if he makes the same type of leap this year's off season as he did last year, he will have a very good chance of being a solid NFL starter if not star. He's got tremendous talent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest K-GunJimKelly12 Posted January 19, 2018 Share Posted January 19, 2018 I just want to get on record saying Jackson is gonna be a bust, big time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
die hard bills fan Posted January 19, 2018 Share Posted January 19, 2018 would not do either, would trade up for one of the others as feel that we have both these types of qb on out tearm already. jackson is too much like tyrod taylor and rudolph is like peterman - student of the game but suspect arm. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rubes Posted January 19, 2018 Share Posted January 19, 2018 I don't know anything about Rudolph, so I checked out his 2017 highlight reel. Of course it's only highlights, but some of the throws there were really quite good, and I didn't see anything to suggest he doesn't have a strong arm. But that's all I've seen of him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeGOATski Posted January 19, 2018 Share Posted January 19, 2018 Another thing I like about Rudolph is that he took control of that offense his senior year. Made his own changes at the line. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted January 19, 2018 Share Posted January 19, 2018 20 minutes ago, Rubes said: I don't know anything about Rudolph, so I checked out his 2017 highlight reel. Of course it's only highlights, but some of the throws there were really quite good, and I didn't see anything to suggest he doesn't have a strong arm. But that's all I've seen of him. I'm a huge proponent of arm strength being essential. Maybe more than anyone here. I watched Rudolph several times this year and I don't think arm strength is an issue at all. He can make every throw. Not a cannon of course, but I don't personally think it's an issue and I would be the first to worry about that. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LABILLBACKER Posted January 19, 2018 Share Posted January 19, 2018 32 minutes ago, Rubes said: I don't know anything about Rudolph, so I checked out his 2017 highlight reel. Of course it's only highlights, but some of the throws there were really quite good, and I didn't see anything to suggest he doesn't have a strong arm. But that's all I've seen of him. He does have a strong arm and he actually throws the deep ball very well. It wouldn't surprise me if his velo is around 55 at the combine. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rubes Posted January 19, 2018 Share Posted January 19, 2018 26 minutes ago, Kelly the Dog said: I'm a huge proponent of arm strength being essential. Maybe more than anyone here. I watched Rudolph several times this year and I don't think arm strength is an issue at all. He can make every throw. Not a cannon of course, but I don't personally think it's an issue and I would be the first to worry about that. Another thing I noticed (from the highlight reel, of course), is that he seems to do a really nice job when under pressure, always looking for the open receiver and eventually finding him. Doesn't seem to have a quick trigger to run...but when he does, he actually moves reasonably well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mat68 Posted January 19, 2018 Share Posted January 19, 2018 Comes down to how hard of a worker Jackson is. His biggest comparison is to Vick. If he has that ability but is a worker you are onto something. Its rare that someone with that talent will also be the hardest worker. Maybe Buffalo gets him at 21 and he plays the rest of his career with that Randy Moss sized chip on his shoulder. Again imo if they passed on Watson idk how high they woukd be on him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted January 19, 2018 Author Share Posted January 19, 2018 2 minutes ago, Mat68 said: Comes down to how hard of a worker Jackson is. His biggest comparison is to Vick. If he has that ability but is a worker you are onto something. Its rare that someone with that talent will also be the hardest worker. Maybe Buffalo gets him at 21 and he plays the rest of his career with that Randy Moss sized chip on his shoulder. Again imo if they passed on Watson idk how high they woukd be on him. Watson and Jackson aren’t really alike (outside of their complexion). I’m not sure what one has to do with the other? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted January 19, 2018 Share Posted January 19, 2018 14 minutes ago, Rubes said: Another thing I noticed (from the highlight reel, of course), is that he seems to do a really nice job when under pressure, always looking for the open receiver and eventually finding him. Doesn't seem to have a quick trigger to run...but when he does, he actually moves reasonably well. Yeah I liked what I saw for the most part. Had a lot of great throws. His WR bailed him out a ton though. I think he's a 15-20 guy but he could fall. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mat68 Posted January 19, 2018 Share Posted January 19, 2018 (edited) 4 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said: Watson and Jackson aren’t really alike (outside of their complexion). I’m not sure what one has to do with the other? Athletic, prolific passers from spread offenses. Both less than ideal size. Seems to me if you are not sold on Watson you are less sold on Jackson. Jackson is the better runner, Watson was the more refined passer. Edited January 19, 2018 by Mat68 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted January 19, 2018 Share Posted January 19, 2018 2 minutes ago, Mat68 said: Athletic, prolific passers from spread offenses. Both less than ideal size. Seems to me if you are not sold on Watson you are less sold on Jackson. Jackson is much more athletic (not that Watson isn't), has a cannon arm, loves to run, often erratic. Watson is the opposite. Consistent. Doesn't look to run. Accurate. Both are good leaders. Watson's intangibles are off the charts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloRebound Posted January 19, 2018 Share Posted January 19, 2018 Pass. With all the teams in front of us who need QB's, any QB who falls to pick 21 isn't worth wasting a first rounder on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdand12 Posted January 19, 2018 Share Posted January 19, 2018 11 hours ago, joesixpack said: No im not a fan of baker. Short small hands and mobile. The unholy trinity i am not delighted with either , Based upon all i have read here. especially since we have nothing on board to say Bills can develop a QB from that type of College game. So much about a pocket passer beginning with Dennison and Beanes. Thats what they wanted. Has the mindset changed with Daboll ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Solomon Grundy Posted January 19, 2018 Share Posted January 19, 2018 2 hours ago, starrymessenger said: People saying Jackson needs to find another position are delusional. He has excellent pocket awareness, knows how and when to step up, has a big arm, sees the field, can read a defence and can absolutely go through progressions. He threw for like 3,700 yards last year while running for 1600.. As has been mentioned, adjusted for drops his comp % is higher than Darnold's. He's the #1 prospect IMO and 100% a QB. He has a mechanical issue pushing off his front rather than his back foot that causes his ball to sail at times. But that's it and it will be corrected. It's not the kind of flaw that's hard to iron out. Darnold's throwing motion definitely is hard to correct and is much more serious. They tried unsuccessfully to coach it out of him. It's a big problem. Kiper and Cowerd don't have Jackson in their first round mock. That's ludicrous. He is more likely to be the first player off the board than to he is to drop out of round #1. Bill Polian just lambasted Jackson. Says basically he's Terrell Pryor!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paulus Posted January 19, 2018 Share Posted January 19, 2018 Does anyone on here follow prospects from Highschool? I mean, a GM has those people available to him. You should always be looking at prospects years out, and be predicting players in the next 5 years (at least) worth of drafts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JaCrispy Posted January 19, 2018 Share Posted January 19, 2018 21 minutes ago, BuffaloRebound said: Pass. With all the teams in front of us who need QB's, any QB who falls to pick 21 isn't worth wasting a first rounder on. Mike White in the 2nd round? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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