Should Al Riveron be investigated?

[buffalobloodfloridahome]

Everyone saying we would have lost anyways doesn't understand how important momentum is during a game. To have multiple bad calls stop our momentum and bad calls continue their momentum could have been a multiple td swing. The game could of at least been allot closer at the end. To have a td overturned and all the phantom holding calls and pass interference calls all going against us was enough to kill our spirit and as soon as we were defeated the Patriots saw weakness and stepped on the gas.

Edited December 27, 2017 by buffalobloodfloridahome

[westerndecline]

12 hours ago, BillsFan692 said:

You guys know that the owners split the revenue evenly, right?

 

So if the "NFL" is doing good, ALL the owners are sharing in that. The NFL is a multi billion dollar business. Do you think they totally leave the outcomes to chance?? Hell no. They want their superstars in the spotlight as often as possible and will massage outcomes wherever necessary to insure maximum viewership and entertainment.

 

You love Brady or you (more likely) hate him, but either way your tuning in and praying he loses terribly.

 

Just like any entertainment league (NBA, NHL, NFL etc) the super stars are taken care of and the dynastys get all the breaks.

 

A Jets fan actually sued the NFL over this. His case was that he bought a ticket to a sporting event and intended to watch a fair contest.

 

Went all the way through the courts and the NFL argued that in fact it's entertainment, not sports, And his ticket only guaranteed him entrance to the stadium for entertainment purposes, not a fair contest. NFL even argued they could decide the outcomes if they wanted too.

 

Judge agreed, and dismissed that suit.

 

I mean come on the saints winning a SUPERBOWL after Katrina, the harbaugh bowl... manning getting another ring on his way out the door. The patriots Dynasty.

 

It's clear to me that I'm watching the WWE.

Please dont be true

3 minutes ago, buffalobloodfloridahome said:

Everyone saying we would have lost anyways doesn't understand how important momentum is during a game. To have multiple bad calls stop our momentum and bad calls continue their momentum could have been a multiple td swing. The game could of at least been allot closer at the end. To have a td overturned and all the phantom holding calls and pass interference calls all going against us was enough to kill our spirit and as soon as we were defeated the Patriots saw weakness and stepped on the gas.

The holding call in McCoy ran for 30 yards was completely bizarre the wide receiver was literally just in front of them and didn't even do anything

After that holding call it just kind of sort of hit me like something ain't right here from the s*** is not adding up

[buffalobloodfloridahome]

7 minutes ago, westerndecline said:

The holding call in McCoy ran for 30 yards was completely bizarre the wide receiver was literally just in front of them and didn't even do anything

After that holding call it just kind of sort of hit me like something ain't right here from the s*** is not adding up

It was obvious that the WR thought about holding a Patriot therefore the flag is justified -Riveron

[PatsFanNH]

35 minutes ago, westerndecline said:

Please dont be true

The holding call in McCoy ran for 30 yards was completely bizarre the wide receiver was literally just in front of them and didn't even do anything

After that holding call it just kind of sort of hit me like something ain't right here from the s*** is not adding up

The holding call was Ricky tack but it was holding as you saw the shirt tugged. Besides that it made it 1st down and 2 hardly destroyed momentum. 

 

The TD being called back was way to close to have been changed it should have been "the play stands" as there wasn't conclusive evidence one way or the other to overturn or confirm it.

 

a lot of the other complaints are weird, like the PI on the Bills in the end zone. I don't know how that is even debated it was a textbook PI.. never turned around and hit the receiver before the ball got there. 

[westerndecline]

7 minutes ago, PatsFanNH said:

The holding call was Ricky tack but it was holding as you saw the shirt tugged. Besides that it made it 1st down and 2 hardly destroyed momentum. 

 

The TD being called back was way to close to have been changed it should have been "the play stands" as there wasn't conclusive evidence one way or the other to overturn or confirm it.

 

a lot of the other complaints are weird, like the PI on the Bills in the end zone. I don't know how that is even debated it was a textbook PI.. never turned around and hit the receiver before the ball got there. 

I want to use your love logical brain here I want you to use logic if it was a Ricky Ticky BS holding call then why wasn't the holding call ever call when Hughes was getting mauled

4 years now literally years every time we play the Patriots you guys have like 1 or 2 lbs in the bills have like 10 explain it

[wppete]

Yes

[Kmart128]

4 hours ago, Mr. WEO said:

 

He's a minority?

His name is Alberto... Of course he is. I think he is Cuban

[westerndecline]

Honestly f*** it just injure Brady if you face them that's what I would do if I was Buffalo want to play Silly games when I cheat let's play Silly games

Edited December 27, 2017 by westerndecline

[26CornerBlitz]

From Pro Football Talk:

 

Al Riveron has turned instant replay into a mess. When the NFL initially implemented instant replay reviews, the idea was to correct clear officiating mistakes. The idea was that you assumed the call on the field was correct until the replay proved otherwise. The idea was not to look at the play as if you were starting from scratch. But that seems to be what Riveron, the NFL’s fist-year head of officiating, is doing when he reviews replays. How else to explain his decision to overturn a Bills touchdown yesterday? There was not clear and obvious video evidence showing the call on the field was wrong. There was, at best, evidence that the call on the field might have been wrong. But “might” isn’t supposed to cut it. The league needs to spend some time this offseason coming up with a clearer standard for what constitutes enough evidence to overturn the call on the field, because at the moment the man making those decisions doesn’t seem to be clear about that standard. It really says something about the NFL’s rules that jumping into a Salvation Army kettle results in the same penalty as cheap-shotting a defenseless opponent’s brain, yet that’s nowhere near the dumbest rule we’ve all complained about in the last couple weeks.

 

 

 

[dlonce]

44 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said:

From Pro Football Talk:

 

Al Riveron has turned instant replay into a mess. When the NFL initially implemented instant replay reviews, the idea was to correct clear officiating mistakes. The idea was that you assumed the call on the field was correct until the replay proved otherwise. The idea was not to look at the play as if you were starting from scratch. But that seems to be what Riveron, the NFL’s fist-year head of officiating, is doing when he reviews replays. How else to explain his decision to overturn a Bills touchdown yesterday? There was not clear and obvious video evidence showing the call on the field was wrong. There was, at best, evidence that the call on the field might have been wrong. But “might” isn’t supposed to cut it. The league needs to spend some time this offseason coming up with a clearer standard for what constitutes enough evidence to overturn the call on the field, because at the moment the man making those decisions doesn’t seem to be clear about that standard. It really says something about the NFL’s rules that jumping into a Salvation Army kettle results in the same penalty as cheap-shotting a defenseless opponent’s brain, yet that’s nowhere near the dumbest rule we’ve all complained about in the last couple weeks.

 

 

 

Thanks for posting. No big surprise he wouldn’t throw his buddy under the bus.

 

[buffaloboyinATL]

Just saw a "sounds of the game" segment on NFLN and they showed the referees on the field in our game saying they have no idea why the call was overturned. One of the commentators said the "refs" in NY need to start wearing grey instead of black and white because nothing is black and white anymore when they are involved...

[Mr. WEO]

2 hours ago, Kmart128 said:

His name is Alberto... Of course he is. I think he is Cuban

 

Hmmm....good pick up.  I had no idea.

 

2 hours ago, westerndecline said:

Honestly f*** it just injure Brady if you face them that's what I would do if I was Buffalo want to play Silly games when I cheat let's play Silly games

 

What part of this post did you edit?

[What a Tuel]

6 hours ago, buffaloboyinATL said:

Just saw a "sounds of the game" segment on NFLN and they showed the referees on the field in our game saying they have no idea why the call was overturned. One of the commentators said the "refs" in NY need to start wearing grey instead of black and white because nothing is black and white anymore when they are involved...

 

Link? Edit: NM found it.

 

 

Edited December 28, 2017 by What a Tuel

[Hellcamino]

 

Do we know how many called TDs have been reversed in total this season in the league?

we know of 3 called TDs reversed, and one that wasn't but should have been,  that have all favored the Pats.

just curious

[PatsFanNH]

17 hours ago, westerndecline said:

I want to use your love logical brain here I want you to use logic if it was a Ricky Ticky BS holding call then why wasn't the holding call ever call when Hughes was getting mauled

4 years now literally years every time we play the Patriots you guys have like 1 or 2 lbs in the bills have like 10 explain it

Better coaching, more discipline, and keeping your hands where they are suppose to be as to not get called for holding. So many times you see a guy doing a great blocking job and then after the runner is by him tugging the shirt and getting a holding call.  

 

It it also helps that BB knows the rules better than MOST of these part time officials so I would be lying if I didn't say they are also afraid throw a flag unless it is an obvious penalty.

 

i have LONG said if you want refs be good to great they need be full time refs who know the rule book inside and out and recognize penalties instantly. (As well as knowing what is and isn't a catch.)

 

till we have full full time refs tenured coaches Like BB and Andy Reid etc going get more breaks. Is it fair? Nope, but neither is life so..

[Moose]

36 minutes ago, PatsFanNH said:

Better coaching, more discipline, and keeping your hands where they are suppose to be as to not get called for holding. So many times you see a guy doing a great blocking job and then after the runner is by him tugging the shirt and getting a holding call.  

 

It it also helps that BB knows the rules better than MOST of these part time officials so I would be lying if I didn't say they are also afraid throw a flag unless it is an obvious penalty.

 

i have LONG said if you want refs be good to great they need be full time refs who know the rule book inside and out and recognize penalties instantly. (As well as knowing what is and isn't a catch.)

 

till we have full full time refs tenured coaches Like BB and Andy Reid etc going get more breaks. Is it fair? Nope, but neither is life so..

 

Why are you even here????

[zow2]

I don't really think there's a conspiracy against Buffalo or for New England.  I do think Al Riveron is taking his job way outside of the scope it was intended for, so yes, I think he should be relieved of his duties.

 

Case in point, the Benjamin reversal.  If the ball is in KB's hands and in the process he is switching the ball to his left arm so he can fall on his right, it's still 100% possession in my opinion.  The naked eye in real time you cannot even see the switch.  If the ball is still cradled in the receivers arms and it never leaves his body it should remain as they call it on the field, especially if they "survive the ground".  They are dissecting what i would call a micro-bobble of the ball and that is a bunch of BS.  If the ball bounces off a guys hands and pops up and he doesn't catch it again until his foot is out of bounds, then yeah it's an obvious no-catch.  But these calls, breaking it down frame by frame in super slo mo are ridiculous.  

[Bob in STL]

 

 

The role should be clarified and returned back to the original intent, to correct errors using clear and indisputable video evidence.  In the process Riveron should be replaced.  His credibility will forever be questioned. 

[Manther]

On 2017-12-24 at 7:52 PM, Bakin said:

Why didn’t they even measure for the first down when Dion Lewis did the stretch and they changed the spot??

no measurement????  Just FIRST DOWN!!!

why?  

Because Patriots. 

Pure ridiculous.  

 

Because Patriots is the correct answer!

 

Its the only truly plausible answer.  

 

Otherwise, you can't make sense of it.

 

 

[Dorkington]

On 12/25/2017 at 4:19 PM, Doc said:

 

So I guess there's no need to ever complain about anything.  Just accept it because the person who benefits is just better than you. 

In the case of a football *game*, and the Bills/Pats, yeah I think accepting it is the way to go. The Pats get calls. Just like Lebron James "never" fouls anyone. 

On 12/25/2017 at 4:37 PM, BuffaninATL said:

 

This is a gross oversimplification. When you say "Good teams get calls", it's really only one team coming up over and over again - for the wrong reasons.

 

On 12/26/2017 at 7:11 AM, Dopey said:

This isn't about the call. It's about the reversal of a call without enough evidence. It happened to Pittsburgh and I think they meet the definition of a "good" team. When the"tuck rule" was enforced against the Raiders they were a "good" team. Again, this is about suits in NY giving the pats too many gift calls.

Oversimplification or not, the Patriots are a good team, are a very popular team (because they're good and live in a big market) so it benefits the NFL to give them favorable calls. Whining about it every time we play them does no one any good. You'd think Bills fans would get it by now. 

On 12/26/2017 at 11:47 AM, MDH said:

 

So whenever people encounter injustice in the real world they should just shrug and say, “that’s the way it is.”?

 

That sounds like a great philosophy that would definitely serve mankind well through the ages.

If you consider the Patriots getting favorable calls to be an injustice in the real world, then you haven't lived in the real world. There are people dying and living without basic rights out there, those are injustices. The Patriots getting favorable calls is a predictable annoyance due to capitalism.