bmur66 Posted December 21, 2017 Share Posted December 21, 2017 I think playing four quarters of football means more than passing for 300 yards. Look at the 2nd half against Miami. It's like they didn't know how to handle their first half success and got stoopid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billsfan1972 Posted December 21, 2017 Author Share Posted December 21, 2017 2 hours ago, SoCal Deek said: It seems to me that all sides of this debate are actually correct! The OP is not looking for every game to be a 300 yard passing game. But everyone has to admit that there are times when you're going to need one of those performances to win. The fact that the stat is so rare is just another reason why 8-8 has become so common. Exactly....... All I want is the possibility and teams to respect the idea that the Bills offense wants to play 4 quarters of football. Teams know that if up the second half, they'll go conservative and if down, they won't go hurry-up or unique formations, but will continue to grind it out....... This has gone on for years..... 1 hour ago, Tenhigh said: It's both. Taylor is limited in his throwing, and the coaches are stubborn and narrow in their outlook. Unfortunately, it's what we're stuck with for the time being. Lets hope that they can figure it out for 2 more games. Maybe Taylor is, but as long as we see the same schemes and play calling I am not 100% convinced. Twice over 250 (including Jets loss)...... I use 300 as it is a yardstick. How about 400 yards+ in total offense...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Gun Posted December 21, 2017 Share Posted December 21, 2017 (edited) 1 hour ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said: There is not one single solitary aspect of this team that is built to make a prolific passing game. This is more ore or less the same offense that had one of the most prolific NFL passers in history averaging 220 yds per game and that was a Super Bowl winning season. If you talking Mannings last year, yeah he avg 224 yards passing in the 9 games he played with 9 TD and 17 int. He was shot and physically couldn't throw the ball anymore but he could win with his brain. It's something Tyrod can't do. An old broke down used up Peyton Manning, who couldn't throw 10 yards down the field anymore STILL averaged more yards per game that year than has Tyrod averaged in any of his 3 years as a starter. Does that even sink in of how bad a passer Tyrod is? Manning in a wheel chair with a sling on in a blizzard could pass for more yards than Tyrod on a good day. Edited December 21, 2017 by PeterGriffin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yeezus Posted December 21, 2017 Share Posted December 21, 2017 5 hours ago, Billsfan1972 said: From the offense. You would think by accident any NFL QB can throw for 300 yards in a game. I've posted this again and again and am just confounded, perplexed and stupefied that this team can't/won't have a game plan that has them throwing for 300 yards (heck 250 would be something) EVER!!!!! The NFL over and over is a game that comes down to getting the ball in the endzone and being CAPABLE of throwing the ball. There is not a single team that can count on winning games 20-17 that has any chance for success. Why do we have a coaching staff who refuses to recognize this? And no it is not all TT's fault. Look at our OC's for the past 20 years this franchise keeps hiring defensive minded conservative coaches and wondering why they haven't made the playoffs or found a good QB. Well no one on this staff knows how to develop a QB let alone run a successful offense Ditch the 1980s offense and you will see 300 yard games Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billsfan1972 Posted December 21, 2017 Author Share Posted December 21, 2017 2 minutes ago, PeterGriffin said: If you talking Mannings last year, yeah he avg 224 yards passing in the 9 games he played with 9 TD and 17 int. He was shot and physically couldn't throw the ball anymore but he could win with his brain. It's something Tyrod can't do. An old broke down used up Peyton Manning, who couldn't throw 10 yards down the field anymore STILL averaged more yards per game that year than has Tyrod averaged in any of his 3 years as a starter. Does that even sink in of how bad a passer Tyrod is? Manning in a wheel chair with a sling on in a blizzard could pass for more yards than Tyrod on a good day. But he tore up Miami for a half on Sunday and they the OC put the brakes on...... Sorry it was 100% on the coaching staff and how they call plays....... Are we out coached on Offense every second half? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PABillsfan23 Posted December 21, 2017 Share Posted December 21, 2017 5 hours ago, mjt328 said: There are two reasons Tyrod Taylor never reaches 300 yards: 1. The Bills start every single game hoping to establish the run, while carefully protecting the ball on passing plays. Even if we successfully attack downfield through the air on a few plays, the offense will quickly return to run-heavy on the ensuing drives. 2. If the Bills happen to fall behind by 2+ scores, and the offense is forced to pass -- those are the games that Taylor struggles badly with taking sacks, decision-making and accuracy. When the threat to rush is gone, he just isn't good enough to carry the team with his arm. One reason really.. Hes not good enough of a passer to do it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billsfan1972 Posted December 21, 2017 Author Share Posted December 21, 2017 (edited) 26 minutes ago, Yeezus said: Look at our OC's for the past 20 years this franchise keeps hiring defensive minded conservative coaches and wondering why they haven't made the playoffs or found a good QB. Well no one on this staff knows how to develop a QB let alone run a successful offense Ditch the 1980s offense and you will see 300 yard games Bang on....... Sorry if I'm too stoopid to appreciate defensive grind them out 13-10 games........ Give me the Seattle-Houston, Pitt- Baltimore, Rams-Eagles and countless other 35-31 games..... Best game I ever saw was the SF-Bills no punt game...... Edited December 21, 2017 by Billsfan1972 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted December 21, 2017 Share Posted December 21, 2017 If this Bills team throws for 300 yards you can nearly guarantee its a loss. Actually I'd bet more than the games a QB throws for over 300 yards is a loss Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted December 22, 2017 Share Posted December 22, 2017 4 hours ago, PeterGriffin said: If you talking Mannings last year, yeah he avg 224 yards passing in the 9 games he played with 9 TD and 17 int. He was shot and physically couldn't throw the ball anymore but he could win with his brain. It's something Tyrod can't do. An old broke down used up Peyton Manning, who couldn't throw 10 yards down the field anymore STILL averaged more yards per game that year than has Tyrod averaged in any of his 3 years as a starter. Does that even sink in of how bad a passer Tyrod is? Manning in a wheel chair with a sling on in a blizzard could pass for more yards than Tyrod on a good day. Please don’t worry about other things sinking in, it’s important that this message does.. this team, offense and scheme doesn’t want 300 passing yards per game. So so whether or not TT is capable of doing it, which is certainly questionable, They have no interest, zero, in maximizing passing yards, much less obtaining an arbitrary meaningless benchmark number with absolutely no correlation to winning. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohninMinn. Posted December 22, 2017 Share Posted December 22, 2017 The point of the post is the drought we are in regarding 300 yd passing stats. Could this be related to the more embarassing drought our Bills are caught in? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CircleTheWagons99 Posted December 22, 2017 Share Posted December 22, 2017 12 hours ago, Shaw66 said: Well, to defend the OP for a minute: There IS some correlation to the fact that the Bills have had very few (count em on one hand) 300-yard passing games in the last 10 years and the Bills have lost more consistently than they've won. None of us will argue that a good passing attack is a valuable asset in the NFL, much more so than it was 30 years ago. If you have a good passing attack, you're likely to have a shot at winning more games in the 4th quarter than if you don't. If you don't you can win only one way - run the ball, get the lead, hold on. That's tough to do consistently in the NFL. But much like the thread about Murphy and the fans' negativity, I find it difficult to complain about the lack of passing yardage when the team actually is winning. True, but how did it feel during the Jets, Saints, and pats games? 3 losses. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted December 22, 2017 Share Posted December 22, 2017 12 hours ago, billsfan60 said: I think I understand the OPs point. There will always be games where a shootout is unavoidable. The D has an off day, the opponent is a prolific scoring team or like this Sunday with the patsies*** they're just a dominant foe. Turnovers happen, weather happens, stuff happens. The ability to match your opponent WHEN THE NEED ARRISES is mandatory. I'm hoping the unspoken point he makes is about points, not yards. Well yea, it’s just to get those points in a shoot out or playing from behind you’ll need some chunks in the passing game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigDingus Posted December 22, 2017 Share Posted December 22, 2017 (edited) 13 hours ago, dickleyjones said: yes 300 yards is extremely important...299 yards would be a complete and utter failure. would you accept 299.5 yards? I mean you can try to act like it's arbitrary, but it's not. The real joke is that journeymen, rookies and backups have 300 yard games, luck into them, get so far behind they are forced to pass so much that hitting 300 just happens, etc. just shows how common it is, yet we cannot do it under any circumstance? As of last week Brady was AVERAGING 300 yards... Does every QB have to be as good as Brady to do it? Hell no. The NFL is a passing league. "But we're a run-first team!" Yeah, because we have no other choice. When you don't have a good QB, what else are you supposed to do? Even teams that like to run the ball still pass more & more often, and aren't LIMITED to passing only. Offensive coordinators have to work with what they have, and if you think offenses look simple, that's usually because they are handicapped by who the QB is... An open and diverse playbook is a luxury teams with good QB's have! Wouldn't want another Greg Roman situation where he expects more out of the offense, they can't execute, then he gets blamed & driven out of town. You know who else likes to run the ball? The Rams. But hey, they can pass too and it makes the whole offense better! Who else? The Steelers. Big Ben is more than capable of hitting 400 if he wants to and has, so that's not a good comparison either. Perhaps the Chiefs? Nope, Alex Smith has thrown for 300 yards quite a few times this year alone even though they like to run. 300 yards is important to show your QB is CAPABLE and that your offense isn't 1-dimensional. It also shows that he can put the team on his shoulders and win through the air when he must. But combined with his 3-20 record when we go down by even a single point in the 4th quarter, all it shows is that when you're down on the scoreboard, Tyrod is one of the last QB's you want behind center. Edited December 22, 2017 by BigDingus 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sweats Posted December 22, 2017 Share Posted December 22, 2017 From what I've seen, 96 yards and a TD is a career day for TT..........give the man his due. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ganesh Posted December 22, 2017 Share Posted December 22, 2017 When you have a workhorse RB like Shady, your QB is unlikely to throw for 300 yards, especially in this conservative offense. The only guys who had a great Run that still throw the ball is Big Ben, Brees, Mat Ryan and of course Brady Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
njbuff Posted December 22, 2017 Share Posted December 22, 2017 McDermott doesn't have his QB. Taylor is not his guy and Peterman is a rookie 5th round pick. Pretty simple. McDermott and his staff are trying to gameplan every week with a QB handicap. Not exactly easy for a first year HC and his staff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBillsGospel Posted December 22, 2017 Share Posted December 22, 2017 18 hours ago, Billsfan1972 said: From the offense. You would think by accident any NFL QB can throw for 300 yards in a game. I've posted this again and again and am just confounded, perplexed and stupefied that this team can't/won't have a game plan that has them throwing for 300 yards (heck 250 would be something) EVER!!!!! The NFL over and over is a game that comes down to getting the ball in the endzone and being CAPABLE of throwing the ball. There is not a single team that can count on winning games 20-17 that has any chance for success. Why do we have a coaching staff who refuses to recognize this? And no it is not all TT's fault. You answered your own question but with the wrong answer at the end, Tyrod Taylor is not good enough of a passer to put up those kinds of numbers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
transplantbillsfan Posted December 22, 2017 Share Posted December 22, 2017 18 hours ago, Billsfan1972 said: From the offense. You would think by accident any NFL QB can throw for 300 yards in a game. I've posted this again and again and am just confounded, perplexed and stupefied that this team can't/won't have a game plan that has them throwing for 300 yards (heck 250 would be something) EVER!!!!! The NFL over and over is a game that comes down to getting the ball in the endzone and being CAPABLE of throwing the ball. There is not a single team that can count on winning games 20-17 that has any chance for success. Why do we have a coaching staff who refuses to recognize this? And no it is not all TT's fault. We literally just had this game plan against Miami. Taylor put up 177 yards (passing + rushing - sacks), 2 TDs and no turnovers in the 1st half alone. And Dennison called over 20 passing plays in the 1st half. Taylor was on track for 35+ passing attempts. But then we went into the 2nd half up by 3 scores... it's a coaching thing, brah. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan692 Posted December 22, 2017 Share Posted December 22, 2017 18 hours ago, Shaw66 said: I'd like to see the Bills pass more, but this rant is a little out of bounds. 300 yards passing is not the be all and end all. In fact, it's usually the case that when your passing totals get up over 300 yards, you're losing. But there's another reason the Bills's totals are low, and that is that the defense is a bend don't break defense that has had more plays run against it than just about any other team in the league. They give up a lot of yards. The result is the Bills are right near the bottom of the league in time of possession. So the offense has the ball less than just any other team in the league. Add to that the fact (that many people don't like) that the Bills want to run (and are pretty good at it), and you get low passing totals. Sorry, but that's the way it is. If the Bills were 5-9, I'd be whining along with you. Uhhh did you just say the bills offense has low time of possession because our defense gives up too many yards ????? How about all them 3 and outs.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billsfan1972 Posted December 22, 2017 Author Share Posted December 22, 2017 3 hours ago, transplantbillsfan said: We literally just had this game plan against Miami. Taylor put up 177 yards (passing + rushing - sacks), 2 TDs and no turnovers in the 1st half alone. And Dennison called over 20 passing plays in the 1st half. Taylor was on track for 35+ passing attempts. But then we went into the 2nd half up by 3 scores... it's a coaching thing, brah. That's what I'm saying. It is mindboggling that this coaching staff doesn't see what every other team can and will do and then turns out this offensive garbage. Vs. Miami it should have been an easy 300 yard game and 3 score win, but the offense again turtled in the second half. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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