mannc Posted November 26, 2017 Share Posted November 26, 2017 Just now, MAJBobby said: He played AVG. lets not make it any more than it was. Avg is a huge step up from what we got from the position last week. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unclepete Posted November 26, 2017 Share Posted November 26, 2017 5 minutes ago, BigDingus said: **PROOF** Again, it's the DEFENSE that is responsible for our wins this season. They win IN SPITE of Tyrod. The offense tried their best to lose this game, the coaches don't trust Tyrod worth a crap, and the DEFENSE came through (as they did in our 5 previous wins). Also, with a competent QB this team will be deadly. Our O-line played like champs today. Tyrod had all day to throw. Tyrod played well. Not sure why no one wants to give him credit. He’s competent. Average Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mantis Posted November 26, 2017 Share Posted November 26, 2017 4 minutes ago, Doc Brown said: Anybody else screaming get the !@#$ down over and over after that pick? Absolutely! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bing Bong Posted November 26, 2017 Share Posted November 26, 2017 4 minutes ago, BernieBill said: Tyrod Taylor is still a horrible NFL quarterback. Do you ever watch other quarterbacks in the NFL? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted November 26, 2017 Share Posted November 26, 2017 Just now, mannc said: Avg is a huge step up from what we got from the position last week. And his other games like Cincy Car and Saints Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave mcbride Posted November 26, 2017 Share Posted November 26, 2017 Just now, MAJBobby said: He played AVG. lets not make it any more than it was. I’d say slightly above average, but I’m not going to argue about it. It was classic Taylor, for better or worse. Regardless, the playcalling in the second half was ridiculously bad. The hold on Dawkins (who played really well) was really bad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lfod Posted November 26, 2017 Share Posted November 26, 2017 I just hope moving forward if the team has a chance to bleed clock that should be a priority. That should be a focus. If you are going to run and get stuffed anyway then I say be more aggressive and take shots. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted November 26, 2017 Share Posted November 26, 2017 5 minutes ago, Nitro said: He is smoking the whacky weed. The O line was horrid for huge stretches. It was good pass blocking for the most part...Taylor had a lot of time Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HappyDays Posted November 26, 2017 Share Posted November 26, 2017 1 minute ago, Buffalo30 said: No he didn't play well. He is average. He won't lose the game but he won't win it. He makes that O'leary pass, that game is over before all of that excitement at the end...Dennison doesn't help but he had his opportunities You focus on a 14 yard completion on a 2nd and 16 as the primary reason we almost lost? Some of you guys should really watch more football. QBs miss wide open receivers all the time. That isn’t even Tyrod’s issue, it’s not throwing the ball on time that he struggles with. Overall he is pretty accurate with the ball and sometimes he throws dimes like the deep throw to Zay that he just couldn’t get enough separation on. Dennison is far and away the biggest problem on offense, more than any one player. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Helpmenow Posted November 26, 2017 Share Posted November 26, 2017 Only the refs would make a horrible call in the game where the bills were outplaying the chiefs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Brown Posted November 26, 2017 Share Posted November 26, 2017 Just now, Helpmenow said: Only the refs would make a horrible call in the game where the bills were outplaying the chiefs. As opposed to the other people that throw flags? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HappyDays Posted November 26, 2017 Share Posted November 26, 2017 Just now, Helpmenow said: Only the refs would make a horrible call in the game where the bills were outplaying the chiefs. What was the worse call, the phantom penalty or Dennison’s pitch play on 3rd and 2? Hard to choose. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted November 26, 2017 Share Posted November 26, 2017 ...one helluva statement.....in a tough venue, three ugly losses in a row, QB experiments, and to come out with a "W"?.....build on it............... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave mcbride Posted November 26, 2017 Share Posted November 26, 2017 3 minutes ago, Buffalo30 said: No he didn't play well. He is average. He won't lose the game but he won't win it. He makes that O'leary pass, that game is over before all of that excitement at the end...Dennison doesn't help but he had his opportunities If dawkins doesn’t hold that game is over. Cadet had that run clear away even if dawkins dowsn’t hold. the pass to o’leary wasn’t perfect but it wasn’t that bad. Jordan matthews caught an even lower pass and didn’t go to the ground. Some of that is on o’leary. It was lower than you’d like but it wasn’t THAT low. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yungmack Posted November 26, 2017 Share Posted November 26, 2017 1 minute ago, ganesh said: He does have a point. The difference between winning and losing in the NFL is a play here or there that you make or don't make. That pass needed to be as accurate as hell to a wide open O' Leary. if you want your QB to be talked in the same sentence as a Brees or Rivers. My objection to his criticism is that it shows extreme bias. There at least a dozen other plays that could as easily been pointed out, including that 3 and out series before KC took over for the last time. But some around here only ever harp on TT's screw ups. Sure, you could say that play would have been the key play. Or you could have picked from a ton of other ones. But certain people are only going to focus on Tyrod. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted November 26, 2017 Share Posted November 26, 2017 (edited) 3 minutes ago, HappyDays said: You focus on a 14 yard completion on a 2nd and 16 as the primary reason we almost lost? Some of you guys should really watch more football. QBs miss wide open receivers all the time. That isn’t even Tyrod’s issue, it’s not throwing the ball on time that he struggles with. Overall he is pretty accurate with the ball and sometimes he throws dimes like the deep throw to Zay that he just couldn’t get enough separation on. Dennison is far and away the biggest problem on offense, more than any one player. It would have been a major factor...details win and lose football games much more than the average person watching with no real fundamental knowledge realizes...and that was an INEXCUSABLE detail that was wrong...in a nutshell that is why Taylor csnt be a franchise QB...he does the big things right but too many details not well enough...that was the essiest throw he had all day...clean pocket...wide open receiver and he turfs the ball...huh?? In the big picture O'Leary is inside the 20 if he catches it on the run, we kick at least a FG and go up 9...running more time off the clock...instead we made it way harder than we needed to...details details... Edited November 26, 2017 by matter2003 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave mcbride Posted November 26, 2017 Share Posted November 26, 2017 Just now, ScottLaw said: How anyone blames Taylor is beyond me. The ultra conservative playcalling is downright awful. Dennison is the worst. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bing Bong Posted November 26, 2017 Share Posted November 26, 2017 4 minutes ago, Bills757 said: That’s apparently the focus now that Taylor is playing again. Last week, when Peterman threw the five picks, people focused on how bad the Oline played, not on Peterman’s record tying outing. Now that we know the Oline sucks, and, that Dennison isn’t very good, the focus goes back to Taylor as being the weakest link in the offense. Leave it up to a whiny bunch of Buffalo fans to draw these types of conclusions. I do not understand the Peterman love around here. Tyrod starting and staying healthy the rest of the season is our only chance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackOrton Posted November 26, 2017 Share Posted November 26, 2017 1 minute ago, ScottLaw said: How anyone blames Taylor is beyond me. The ultra conservative playcalling is downright awful. His miss on O'Leary was EJ-level bad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Putin Posted November 26, 2017 Share Posted November 26, 2017 3 minutes ago, HappyDays said: You focus on a 14 yard completion on a 2nd and 16 as the primary reason we almost lost? Some of you guys should really watch more football. QBs miss wide open receivers all the time. That isn’t even Tyrod’s issue, it’s not throwing the ball on time that he struggles with. Overall he is pretty accurate with the ball and sometimes he throws dimes like the deep throw to Zay that he just couldn’t get enough separation on. Dennison is far and away the biggest problem on offense, more than any one player. I really hope they’re both gone sooner then later Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Brown Posted November 26, 2017 Share Posted November 26, 2017 10 minutes ago, Nitro said: My daughter. Great upbringing then Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ralonzo Posted November 26, 2017 Share Posted November 26, 2017 Better draft pick on the KC first rounder, yay! Worst draft pick on the BUF first rounder, boo! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted November 26, 2017 Share Posted November 26, 2017 Just now, dave mcbride said: Dennison is the worst. ....Fairchid II......know it all that shows nothing at all............. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bing Bong Posted November 26, 2017 Share Posted November 26, 2017 1 minute ago, matter2003 said: It would have been a major factor...details win and lose football games much more than the average person watching with no real fundamental knowledge realizes...and that was an INEXCUSABLE detail that was wrong...in a nutshell that is why Taylor csnt be a franchise QB...he does the big things right but too many details not well enough... In the big picture O'Leary is inside the 20 if he catches it on the run, we kick at least a FG and go up 9...running more time off the clock...instead we made it way harder than we needed to...details details... His point is all quarterbacks make bad passes like that. Some flat out miss. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave mcbride Posted November 26, 2017 Share Posted November 26, 2017 Just now, matter2003 said: It would have been a major factor...details win and lose football games much more than the average person watching with no real fundamental knowledge realizes...and that was an INEXCUSABLE detail that was wrong...in a nutshell that is why Taylor csnt be a franchise QB...he does the big things right but too many details not well enough... In the big picture O'Leary is inside the 20 if he catches it on the run, we kick at least a FG and go up 9...running more time off the clock...instead we made it way harder than we needed to...details details... That throw wasn’t where you would like it, but it was ok and very catchable at least. On thanksgiving stafford missed a wide open golden tate on the lions’ final possession and it cost them the game. All qbs, including good ones, miss. Alex smith’s miss on the fourth down play with 2:50 left was a far worse miss than taylor’s. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Now Moment Posted November 26, 2017 Share Posted November 26, 2017 2 minutes ago, HappyDays said: You focus on a 14 yard completion on a 2nd and 16 as the primary reason we almost lost? Some of you guys should really watch more football. QBs miss wide open receivers all the time. That isn’t even Tyrod’s issue, it’s not throwing the ball on time that he struggles with. Overall he is pretty accurate with the ball and sometimes he throws dimes like the deep throw to Zay that he just couldn’t get enough separation on. Dennison is far and away the biggest problem on offense, more than any one player. I agree that Dennison isn't good man. But i'm not gonna stand here and defend Tyrod for making possibly one of the easiest 40 yard passes he's ever had to make. He could've even lead him and thrown a floater like he did to Clay cuz there was NO ONE there. He just can't be anything more than average when it comes to crucial clutch plays. That play puts that game out of reach as it sets us up for at the very least, a fg. There are opportunities all over the field that he just can't make. Sorry I'm not backing Tyrod for his lack of ability to make the big play. The really good QBs make those throws. Why would they allow him to throw the ball on the last offensive drive we had when he shows to be that inaccurate in crucial plays like that? I'm not risking it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HappyDays Posted November 26, 2017 Share Posted November 26, 2017 1 minute ago, Putin said: I really hope they’re both gone sooner then later I hope the QB we draft next year ends up better than Tyrod, and I want to draft one early. But until that guy PROVES he is better than our best option we should hold onto him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lfod Posted November 26, 2017 Share Posted November 26, 2017 Just now, ScottLaw said: The playcalling is ridiculous and unbelievably predictable. I don't like if they have any kind of a lead they let off the gas. 3 stuffed runs on that last offensive possession is suspect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave mcbride Posted November 26, 2017 Share Posted November 26, 2017 2 minutes ago, jmc12290 said: His miss on O'Leary was EJ-level bad. You are kidding. It was a 14 yard completion that was a little low but which a better te (kelce or gronk) snags and rumbles forward. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HappyDays Posted November 26, 2017 Share Posted November 26, 2017 3 minutes ago, matter2003 said: It would have been a major factor...details win and lose football games much more than the average person watching with no real fundamental knowledge realizes...and that was an INEXCUSABLE detail that was wrong...in a nutshell that is why Taylor csnt be a franchise QB...he does the big things right but too many details not well enough...that was the essiest throw he had all day...clean pocket...wide open receiver and he turfs the ball...huh?? In the big picture O'Leary is inside the 20 if he catches it on the run, we kick at least a FG and go up 9...running more time off the clock...instead we made it way harder than we needed to...details details... If you can find me a single game where there isn’t a slight QB miss like that I’ll eat my Zay Jones jersey. And it was made in China so I’ll probably get lead poisoning. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Brown Posted November 26, 2017 Share Posted November 26, 2017 Just now, Buffalo30 said: I agree that Dennison isn't good man. But i'm not gonna stand here and defend Tyrod for making possibly one of the easiest 40 yard passes he's ever had to make. He could've even lead him and thrown a floater like he did to Clay cuz there was NO ONE there. He just can't be anything more than average when it comes to crucial clutch plays. That play puts that game out of reach as it sets us up for at the very least, a fg. There are opportunities all over the field that he just can't make. Sorry I'm not backing Tyrod for his lack of ability to make the big play. The really good QBs make those throws. Why would they allow him to throw the ball on the last offensive drive we had when he shows to be that inaccurate in crucial plays like that? I'm not risking it It's clear we need an upgrade at quarterback, but for the time being we have to ride Tyrod if we want to break this horrendous playoff drought. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Now Moment Posted November 26, 2017 Share Posted November 26, 2017 6 minutes ago, dave mcbride said: If dawkins doesn’t hold that game is over. Cadet had that run clear away even if dawkins dowsn’t hold. the pass to o’leary wasn’t perfect but it wasn’t that bad. Jordan matthews caught an even lower pass and didn’t go to the ground. Some of that is on o’leary. It was lower than you’d like but it wasn’t THAT low. Um, it was below his knees which lead him to the ground which was the only way he wouldn't getting into KC territory. I'm not gonna stand here and defend Tyrod for that garbage Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bing Bong Posted November 26, 2017 Share Posted November 26, 2017 5 minutes ago, dave mcbride said: If dawkins doesn’t hold that game is over. Cadet had that run clear away even if dawkins dowsn’t hold. the pass to o’leary wasn’t perfect but it wasn’t that bad. Jordan matthews caught an even lower pass and didn’t go to the ground. Some of that is on o’leary. It was lower than you’d like but it wasn’t THAT low. sure but it's our backup TE. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HappyDays Posted November 26, 2017 Share Posted November 26, 2017 3 minutes ago, Buffalo30 said: I agree that Dennison isn't good man. But i'm not gonna stand here and defend Tyrod for making possibly one of the easiest 40 yard passes he's ever had to make. He could've even lead him and thrown a floater like he did to Clay cuz there was NO ONE there. He just can't be anything more than average when it comes to crucial clutch plays. That play puts that game out of reach as it sets us up for at the very least, a fg. There are opportunities all over the field that he just can't make. Sorry I'm not backing Tyrod for his lack of ability to make the big play. The really good QBs make those throws. Why would they allow him to throw the ball on the last offensive drive we had when he shows to be that inaccurate in crucial plays like that? I'm not risking it I’m not defending Tyrod, it wasn’t a good pass and I wish it had been better. I’m just saying crap like that happens in every game every week. I mean it was a 14 yard gain, it is a lot more excusable than the following 3rd and 2 play call. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turk71 Posted November 26, 2017 Share Posted November 26, 2017 Great win on the road. D was frickin awesome today. Taylor did enough and didn't blow it. Shady was Shady, the o line was much better and the coaches are hopefully progressing. I am enjoying the moment.???⚡☀ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lfod Posted November 26, 2017 Share Posted November 26, 2017 (edited) 3 minutes ago, ScottLaw said: Yea it's asinine... and then Tyrod gets the blame for the ****ty offensive performance. As I've said before, a lot of fans don't know what they are watching. I think with Tyrod you need to let him fire off the ball in that situation. Chances are he won't turn it over. If you can't bleed clock with the run take shots. Tyrod will connect sometimes. I'd rather him get the chance and not connect then stuffed runs Edited November 26, 2017 by Lfod Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted November 26, 2017 Share Posted November 26, 2017 6 minutes ago, PetermanThrew5Picks said: His point is all quarterbacks make bad passes like that. Some flat out miss. And above average ones make that throw and put rhe gsme away Whats the point? That throw should have been an easy first down with huge YAC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave mcbride Posted November 26, 2017 Share Posted November 26, 2017 (edited) I feel like people overreact to plays that the color guy focuses on after the event. Alex smith makes a way worse throw on 4th down and trent green says nothing. Hence nobody else says anything. and, by the way, the reason the bills didn’t convert on 3rd and 2 was because of a ridiculous trick play call in which an unfooled kc defense keying on shady found him immediately 4 yards deep in the backfield. Edited November 26, 2017 by dave mcbride 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackOrton Posted November 26, 2017 Share Posted November 26, 2017 4 minutes ago, dave mcbride said: You are kidding. It was a 14 yard completion that was a little low but which a better te (kelce or gronk) snags and rumbles forward. I'm not kidding. It was a terrible throw in a VERY clean pocket with TONS of time to a WIDE OPEN receiver. Just like when EJ had a terrible throw to a wide open Gragg years ago. You simply CANNOT be an NFL QB if you're letting teams off the hook like that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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