GoBills808 Posted November 17, 2017 Share Posted November 17, 2017 ^I would commit murder for the next Romo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted November 17, 2017 Share Posted November 17, 2017 22 minutes ago, Shaw66 said: That's exactly the point. The guys with strong arms (meaning mechanics that allow them to throw with greater velocity) don't wind up. Quick thinking without a strong arm doesn't get you much in most cases. Fitzy was quick thinking, weak arm. Taylor looks like slow thinking, strong arm. Peterman, we hope, is quick thinking with a good enough arm to get the job done. We'll see. Yep. Good enough to get most of the job done. Yet to be seen if he can make all the throws. We may not even find out Sunday. Insufficient arm strength is not something that kills you every week. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Figster Posted November 17, 2017 Share Posted November 17, 2017 2 hours ago, Foxx said: this is a forum where the written word is all that one has to try and understand what the posters intent is. if you feel you are being misunderstood, might i suggest that you try and elucidate your thoughts more clearly into the written word form then? I understand Shaw fine and appreciate the honest, open and well mannered dialogue he brings to the table. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BADOLBILZ Posted November 17, 2017 Share Posted November 17, 2017 (edited) 53 minutes ago, Air it out Fitzy said: Fire the poster who posted the "weak arm velocity" no chance for Watson theory. Fire McBeane too ? Sure, unless that 6th rounder we got for Dareus saves the franchise ? They get another two years and get to tie themselves to the qb we trade up for next draft. If the trend of young Bills stars that McD dumped being key players on the league's better teams continues and Watson resumes his ascent to superstar status.........while Peterman is benched at midseason next year in favor of Derek Anderson or something similar..........I think McD might not survive to see year 3. Edited November 17, 2017 by BADOLBILZ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eball Posted November 17, 2017 Share Posted November 17, 2017 1 hour ago, Kelly the Dog said: Yep. Good enough to get most of the job done. Yet to be seen if he can make all the throws. We may not even find out Sunday. Insufficient arm strength is not something that kills you every week. Chad Pennington agrees. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foxx Posted November 17, 2017 Share Posted November 17, 2017 (edited) 1 hour ago, Figster said: I understand Shaw fine and appreciate the honest, open and well mannered dialogue he brings to the table. he's the one who said he was misunderstood. just trying to help the old fellow. additionally, he is only well mannered as long as you agree with him. Edited November 17, 2017 by Foxx Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JM2009 Posted November 17, 2017 Share Posted November 17, 2017 1 hour ago, Figster said: I understand Shaw fine and appreciate the honest, open and well mannered dialogue he brings to the table. Me too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kaenon Posted November 17, 2017 Share Posted November 17, 2017 4 hours ago, ScottLaw said: And Von Miller called Trever Simeon Peyton Manning. ? Post-op Peyton though, lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Figster Posted November 17, 2017 Share Posted November 17, 2017 32 minutes ago, Foxx said: he's the one who said he was misunderstood. just trying to help the old fellow. additionally, he is only well mannered as long as you agree with him. I find myself in disagreement with Shaw on many things, and I like it... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foxx Posted November 17, 2017 Share Posted November 17, 2017 i'm glad your experience has been plesant. unfortunately, not everyone can say that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heathcliff Posted November 17, 2017 Share Posted November 17, 2017 Have we all agreed that arm strength does or doesn't matter? This is why decisions by committee never work! LOL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted November 17, 2017 Share Posted November 17, 2017 3 hours ago, BADOLBILZ said: If the trend of young Bills stars that McD dumped being key players on the league's better teams continues and Watson resumes his ascent to superstar status.........while Peterman is benched at midseason next year in favor of Derek Anderson or something similar..........I think McD might not survive to see year 3. What key players did he dump on the league's better teams, outside of arguably Dareus on the Jags? And was passing on Watson on him and him alone? As for Peterman, I think they'll have a sense after 7 games. And it won't be all on McD. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snamsnoops Posted November 18, 2017 Share Posted November 18, 2017 I like what i have seen from peter man. So far anyways! He is the opposite of TT. I was a TT fan at first. He was new, fresh, and exciting, but after the past couple seasons it has grown old. I see what he is...... A great athlete but as far as reading a D pre n post snap and anticipating a throw. He is not. NP on the other hand seems to be better pre snap and throwing a wr open. Allowing more YAC and spreading D's out, opening play for our running game maybe. It's sad we had the best run game the past 2 years and now is mediocore at best. We have a new O this season and TT isn't a WCO QB, NP is. Dennison obviously isn't catering his O to TT strengths, so Playing Peter man tells me that this new staff aint F'n around about finding a franchise QB! It appeared they didnt think of TT as a franchise QB by resigning him to a reduced\modified contract, and now benching him. In a season where we are currently in a playoff hunt (end the drought) with a rookie head coach. I am opptomistic but will wait n see! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ol Dirty B Posted November 18, 2017 Share Posted November 18, 2017 (edited) 16 hours ago, dubs said: ummmm....ok....let me try and make the point more obvious. This thread has been debating the importance of arm strength in the NFL and if Peterman's arm strength is adequate. The original post brought some interesting data to the discussion, showing the measurement of velocity of throws of all QBs in recent drafts. Mitch Trubisky was the second overall pick in the draft this past year, Nathan Peterman was drafted in the 5th round, yet they had virtually the same measurements. So, either the Trubisky had a bad day at the combine, that measurement doesn't measure arm strength well, arm strength isn't as important as some seem to suggest, or there is some minimal benchmark a QB needs to surpass to have the necessary arm strength in the NFL. Got it? No I don't because while Mitch was the #2 pick the guy has looked like ass so far. So using that metric or anything else that compares him to Trubisky and hold that up as a positive for Peterman is actually just irrelevant and uninteresting to me. The combine is largely boring and irrelevant. Edited November 18, 2017 by Ol Dirty B Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo86 Posted November 18, 2017 Share Posted November 18, 2017 On 11/16/2017 at 2:23 PM, dubs said: I think it's more about how quickly balls get to their destination that the actual distance. Less time in the air, less time for defenders to react... This is correct. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THEHARDTRUTH Posted November 18, 2017 Share Posted November 18, 2017 17 hours ago, BADOLBILZ said: If the trend of young Bills stars that McD dumped being key players on the league's better teams continues and Watson resumes his ascent to superstar status.........while Peterman is benched at midseason next year in favor of Derek Anderson or something similar..........I think McD might not survive to see year 3. Your talking about those young stars that helped us miss the playoffs last year and the year before and the year before... 14 hours ago, Doc said: What key players did he dump on the league's better teams, outside of arguably Dareus on the Jags? And was passing on Watson on him and him alone? As for Peterman, I think they'll have a sense after 7 games. And it won't be all on McD. Hes just pissed cause hes got to replace his Dareus jersey now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Gun Posted November 18, 2017 Share Posted November 18, 2017 On 11/16/2017 at 2:23 PM, dubs said: I think it's more about how quickly balls get to their destination that the actual distance. Less time in the air, less time for defenders to react... Kind of like drag racing. A car might go more MPH but lose the race to a quicker reaction time car. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BADOLBILZ Posted November 18, 2017 Share Posted November 18, 2017 3 hours ago, THEHARDTRUTH said: Your talking about those young stars that helped us miss the playoffs last year and the year before and the year before... Speaking of playoffs.........if you are sensitiive to Bills criticism absolutely do not watch them this year. "Better Bills than Buffalo" could be repeated and re-tweeted quite a bit in January. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted November 18, 2017 Share Posted November 18, 2017 On 11/16/2017 at 3:54 PM, Shaw66 said: But don't you see that "adjusting the timing" means you have to throw earlier than the guy who throws with greater velocity? If you hae to throw earlier you have to decide earlier, and deciding earlier means you're going to make the wrong decision sometimes, because you couldn't wait the extra split second. No, adjusting the timing means you have to adjust the timing, early or late. My understanding of how it goes for a WCO based on timing routes is, you work out your timing for a guy running an unimpeded route on a good field. Normally you have to slow the timing a bit to account for physical contact with the WR slowing him down, sub-optimal field conditions, WR fatigue or injury etc. I'm happy to be corrected, but this is what logically makes sense. Where I can see velocity mattering is in a broken play where WR and QB are improvising, and the QB sees something and has a tight window to get it in there. On 11/16/2017 at 4:28 PM, TheFunPolice said: I would assume that ANY NFL QB could "make all the throws" in terms of physically getting the ball there. It's just a matter of how effective/accurate they are. I'm not quite sure that's true. One extreme example would be Fitzpatrick, to make a long throw, he had to involve his whole body (possibly due to improper lower body mechanics). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HOUSE Posted November 18, 2017 Share Posted November 18, 2017 Jon Gruden "He's got a strong arm, he's smart, and played at Pitt [Pittsburgh]. He definitely looked like NFL material." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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