Saints' Cam Jordan: "We kept Taylor in the pocket and made him a quarterback"

[BillsFan130]

2 minutes ago, xRUSHx said:

Our offense didn't help at all. If we would have done some scoring I'm sure our D would have helped more, the game was a lost cause when you know your QB cant do anything.

 

With a QB like Brees he needs to be sitting on the bench I don't care how good your D is your not stopping his offense all the time but if you can keep him on the bench and slow him down with your offense on the field scoring you have a legit shot to win.

 

As for the Jests we got blown out man you can't really be happy about Tyrod padding stats and with a straight face say he had a good game. He showed up when the game was over just like Trent Edwards used to do, look at those stats it wasn' t Trents fault. SMH

0 punts. Do I need to say more about the defence lol

[xRUSHx]

23 minutes ago, OldTimeAFLGuy said:

 

...for what it's worth, here are my big picture concerns without assessing blame to individuals in a TEAM sport...we have the SAME personnel that got us to 5-2 and against clubs where the "W" was earned that virtually nobody forecasted.....yet in the past 11 days, we have been woefully gut punched by the Jets and NO with NO counter punches....just sttod there and took our major licks......doesn't the inability to counter lie solely at the feet of your HC, DC and OC?.......aren't THEY reasonable for putting your club in the best position to win or did all personnel suddenly come down with leprosy or STD's??.............

Yes I agree its a team sport but it's also a QB driven league, the QB drives you to wins.

 

Bills won in spite of Tyrods 150 yard days not because of.

Any backup QB would have won the games we won this year with the D and kicker we had playing so well. 

 

As for coaching being the problem I agree the HC should have made a QB change, I dont agree with firing our OC so Tyrod gets OC#4.

Edited November 13, 2017 by xRUSHx

[BillsFan130]

4 minutes ago, Billzgobowlin said:

Tom Brady, Aaron Rodgers, Big Ben, Phillip Rivers, Drew Brees.  They have all done it at one time.  Also better QBs don't go three and out as much as we have the past two weeks

Ok so one time, one of the greatest QBs of all time would win once? Lol

[xRUSHx]

9 minutes ago, billsfan11 said:

0 punts. Do I need to say more about the defence lol

So your still on the everyone else's fault kick, got it.

 

Yes the D played bad but our QB was by far the main reason we lost, got to keep Brees off the field not give him 40+ chances to score

Edited November 13, 2017 by xRUSHx

[JM2009]

Just now, xRUSHx said:

So your still on the everyone else's fault kick, got it

You need help. The crusade has got mental with this poster. TT was terrible, and so was the defense. Bad weather, all the world's problems are TT fault too. Maybe Peterman should start, and I hope he does well if he does, but if he has a bad game, where will you be?

[BillsFan130]

4 minutes ago, xRUSHx said:

So your still on the everyone else's fault kick, got it

Not one bit. Did you not see where I said Tyrod played awful? Or just ignoring that?

[Call_Of_Ktulu]

There are 10 offenses that you need to come out firing against and the Saints are one of them. Keep your foot on the gas knowing that as soon as you let off the game is tied. 

 

The defense was winded at halftime and it just snowballed from that point.

 

Taylor does not poses the passing ability to carry us to a win in a game like this. 

 

With the way the rules are in the NFL their is no defense that will stop that saints offense. Drew Bree's fires his misses at us and we need to fire back. The only problem is our launcher is broken.

[Charles Romes]

8 hours ago, BuffaloBill said:

 

 

That’s saying a lot.... as there have been many bad ones over the years....

 

Brian Brohms' performances come to mind   

[xRUSHx]

2 minutes ago, billsfan11 said:

Not one bit. Did you not see where I said Tyrod played awful? Or just ignoring that?

Hey man your the one that pushed the D button, I seen what you said I just responded. I'm sorry if I sound a little grumpy but dam man two weeks in row of this garbage 

Edited November 13, 2017 by xRUSHx

[Teddy KGB]

Add Tyrod to the list of failed scrubs right next to Edwards, Fitz, Losman, Manuel and co 

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

57 minutes ago, GoBills808 said:

Are you sure it was 4 deep coverage?

 

That looks like a TT coverage package. 

Short field.  

[JM2009]

3 minutes ago, Call_Of_Ktulu said:

There are 10 offenses that you need to come out firing against and the Saints are one of them. Keep your foot on the gas knowing that as soon as you let off the game is tied. 

 

The defense was winded at halftime and it just snowballed from that point.

 

Taylor does not poses the passing ability to carry us to a win in a game like this. 

 

With the way the rules are in the NFL their is no defense that will stop that saints offense. Drew Bree's fires his misses at us and we need to fire back. The only problem is our launcher is broken.

Agree except the defense was gashed right form the start. We don't have the QB or offense to match the Saints. The defense was out muscled from the start.

[BuffaloBill]

3 minutes ago, Charles Romes said:

 

Brian Brohms' performances come to mind   

 

 

Crap that’s a name I forget... thanks for reminding me

[BillsFan130]

Just now, xRUSHx said:

Hey man your the one that pushed the D button, I seen what you said I just responded. I'm sorry if I sound a little grumpy but dam man two weeks in 

Fair. My overall point is yes Tyrod was awful yesterday.

 

But their defence gave up 300 yards rushing and the Saints didn't punt once.

 

No matter who starts for them, Peterman or Tyrod, if their defence doesn't dramatically improve, it won't matter who starts even if Peterman plays better than Tyrod

[JM2009]

Just now, billsfan11 said:

Fair. My overall point is yes Tyrod was awful yesterday.

 

But their defence gave up 300 yards rushing and the Saints didn't punt once.

 

No matter who starts for them, Peterman or Tyrod, if their defence doesn't dramatically improve, it won't matter who starts even if Peterman plays better than Tyrod

It looks like if the defense dose not  get turnovers, they stink. But they were stopping the run much better earlier.

[xRUSHx]

5 minutes ago, billsfan11 said:

Fair. My overall point is yes Tyrod was awful yesterday.

 

But their defence gave up 300 yards rushing and the Saints didn't punt once.

 

No matter who starts for them, Peterman or Tyrod, if their defence doesn't dramatically improve, it won't matter who starts even if Peterman plays better than Tyrod

Fair enough but IMO if our QB did a better job our D would have done a better job.

Fix the QB and the rest should fall into place IMO

Edited November 13, 2017 by xRUSHx

[JM2009]

7 minutes ago, xRUSHx said:

Fair enough but IMO if our QB did a better job our D would have done a better job.

Fix the QB and the rest should fall into place IMO

QBs play against the run and pass rush? Good to know.

[BillsFan130]

8 minutes ago, xRUSHx said:

Fair enough but IMO if our QB did a better job our D would have done a better job.

Fix the QB and the rest should fall into place IMO

Well they couldn't have done a worse job thats for sure haha

[xRUSHx]

1 minute ago, billsfan11 said:

Well they couldn't have done a worse job thats for sure haha

Haha, yeah dam right man, that game was horrible

[Miyagi-Do Karate]

25 minutes ago, billsfan11 said:

Ok so one time, one of the greatest QBs of all time would win once? Lol

 

And peterman.

[Wayne Arnold]

1 hour ago, 34-78-83 said:

Yep true it does.

But NP wasn't throwing the ball down the field, so there's that. He was throwing it under the 4 deep coverage and methodically taking what they gave him.

 

Oh, he wasn't?

 

[Billzgobowlin]

1 hour ago, billsfan11 said:

Ok so one time, one of the greatest QBs of all time would win once? Lol

They have all done it multiple times.  Brees and Rodgers have played on teams with horrible defenses

[Sweats]

Honestly, i was a big TT supporter, but even i can't stand behind his piss poor performances anymore.

 

Constant 3 and outs allllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllll afternoon will do that to a fans morale.

[BillsFan130]

19 minutes ago, Billzgobowlin said:

They have all done it multiple times.  Brees and Rodgers have played on teams with horrible defenses

Check out the Saints record the past 3 years. That's the result when your defence is bad. Even with a hall of fame quarterback

[frostbitmic]

9 hours ago, Wayne Arnold said:

 

What is an OC supposed to do when the quarterback won't throw the ball? There's no adjustment for that.

 

Which makes it more difficult to throw the ball down the field and score a touchdown.

Yes there is ... Set his butt on the bench.

 

I'm not saying that Peterman will be better but at this point I don't think he can be worse. Tyrod is terrible out there and could be part of the reason the defense Quit yesterday.

[Billzgobowlin]

36 minutes ago, billsfan11 said:

Check out the Saints record the past 3 years. That's the result when your defence is bad. Even with a hall of fame quarterback

Which game were they outscored 47-10?

[BillsFan130]

Just now, Billzgobowlin said:

Which game were they outscored 47-10?

 What are you talking about?..

[Billzgobowlin]

11 hours ago, billsfan11 said:

 What are you talking about?..

When were the Saints outscored 47-10 like the Bills were Sunday?

[BillsFan130]

51 minutes ago, Billzgobowlin said:

When were the Saints outscored 47-10 like the Bills were Sunday?

Probably never. What does that have to do with anything?

 

My point was even hall of fame QBS can't get into the playoffs with bad defences,

 

Drew Brees has a defence this year and all of a sudden they already have the same amount of wins as last year

[Foxx]

13 hours ago, frostbitmic said:

Yes there is ... Set his butt on the bench.

 

I'm not saying that Peterman will be better but at this point I don't think he can be worse. Tyrod is terrible out there and could be part of the reason the defense Quit yesterday.

you noticed that too, huh? i don't know for sure but it sure appeared to me like they were protesting of sorts. i don't know any other way you can explain the way they were getting manhandled out there. i have never seen a team get pushed around like the Bills were in that game. to be honest that game was way more embarassing than any game Rex got beat in. 

Edited November 14, 2017 by Foxx

[xRUSHx]

3 hours ago, Foxx said:

you noticed that too, huh? i don't know for sure but it sure appeared to me like they were protesting of sorts. i don't know any other way you can explain the way they were getting manhandled out there. i have never seen a team get pushed around like the Bills were in that game. to be honest that game was way more embarassing than any game Rex got beat in. 

I'm thinking the same, the D is sick of Tyrod IMO, I wonder if McD will get the memo before it's too late.

 

Didn't Brees get like 40+ drives, a future HOF QB was handed a free ride because of Tyrod. Want to win against a great QB he has to be on the bench while your offense is eating the clock and on the field not given drive after drive of good field position. Great QBs score all a D can do is slow them down and hope your offense can keep up so they can get a couple big stops, but when there is zero from your team its a blowout. Scary to think what Brady will do to us now.

 

 

Edited November 14, 2017 by xRUSHx

[Wayne Arnold]

40 minutes ago, billsfan11 said:

Probably never. What does that have to do with anything?

 

My point was even hall of fame QBS can't get into the playoffs with bad defences,

 

Drew Brees has a defence this year and all of a sudden they already have the same amount of wins as last year

 

No one is saying the defense is fine the way they have played the last two games.

 

The Saints have won double-digit games with average / slightly below-average defenses. The Bills will NEVER win double-digit games with average defense as long as Taylor is the starting quarterback. The limitations of Taylor requires a dominant defense to have a chance to win games.

[JM2009]

9 minutes ago, Foxx said:

you noticed that too, huh? i don't know for sure but it sure appeared to me like they were protesting of sorts. i don't know any other way you can explain the way they were getting manhandled out there. i have never seen a team get pushed around like the Bills were in that game. to be honest that game was way more embarassing than any game Rex got beat in. 

Could it be that the Saints are a much better team than the Bills? Na, couldn't be that.  Climate, war, disease-it's all TT fault. Everything bad in the world is TT fault. Holy cow you guys need help. It's a game. The man has never done anything personal to you. Maybe a QB change is needed, we'll see,but I'll support whoever is out there. WC is still possible.

3 minutes ago, Wayne Arnold said:

 

No one is saying the defense is fine the way they have played the last two games.

 

The Saints have won double-digit games with average / slightly below-average defenses. The Bills will NEVER win double-digit games with average defense as long as Taylor is the starting quarterback. The limitations of Taylor requires a dominant defense to have a chance to win games.

Didn't have a dominant defense under RR, and yet the Bills won 15 games with TT.

[Wayne Arnold]

2 minutes ago, JM2009 said:

Didn't have a dominant defense under RR, and yet the Bills won 15 games with TT.

 

Double-digit wins in a single season. 8-8 is the best he has done - and that was with an average defense and a perfect system built for him.

 

It would take a ton of fortune/luck for that to happen and it would result in one-and-done in the playoffs and would never happen again.

[Foxx]

1 minute ago, JM2009 said:

Could it be that the Saints are a much better team than the Bills? Na, couldn't be that.  Climate, war, disease-it's all TT fault. Everything bad in the world is TT fault. Holy cow you guys need help. It's a game. The man has never done anything personal to you. Maybe a QB change is needed, we'll see,but I'll support whoever is out there. WC is still possible.

Jms,

 

i don''t know what game you watched but the game i watched, the Bills didn't belong on the same field as the Saints Sunday. it wasn't as close as the final score indicated. the Saints are not that much better than us. i would be hard pressed to find another game in which the other teams was pushed into the dirt as easily as the Bills were Sunday. their play can only be summed up as they did not want to be out there.

 

the disparity in teams within the NFL is not that great so having that in mind, what do you chalk up their lackluster play to? im genuinely interested to hear something else that makes sense because i just dont see another logical answer to that question.

[QCity]

5 minutes ago, JM2009 said:

Didn't have a dominant defense under RR, and yet the Bills won 15 games with TT.

 

When he said double-digit wins, I'm pretty sure he meant in one season.

[BillsFan130]

22 minutes ago, Wayne Arnold said:

 

No one is saying the defense is fine the way they have played the last two games.

 

The Saints have won double-digit games with average / slightly below-average defenses. The Bills will NEVER win double-digit games with average defense as long as Taylor is the starting quarterback. The limitations of Taylor requires a dominant defense to have a chance to win games.

I agree with that. Of course TT doesn't even come close to Brees as Brees is possibly a top 10 QB who's ever played the game.

 

But his original point was that a QB like Brees can steal that game on Sunday if he were on the Bills.

 

And i pointed that even with a lousy defence, a hall of fame QB like Brees can't even get into the playoffs.

 

It takes a team to get into the playoffs, not just a very good quarterback.

 

And the Bills with Tyrod being mediocre, have a lousy team around him as well

[Billzgobowlin]

3 hours ago, billsfan11 said:

Probably never. What does that have to do with anything?

 

My point was even hall of fame QBS can't get into the playoffs with bad defences,

 

Drew Brees has a defence this year and all of a sudden they already have the same amount of wins as last year

Their defense the Super Bowl year was bad.  I don't disagree defense needs to be better but let's not pretend we have a QB that will do anything short of us having the 2000 Ravens defense.

[GoBills808]

2 hours ago, billsfan11 said:

I agree with that. Of course TT doesn't even come close to Brees as Brees is possibly a top 10 QB who's ever played the game.

 

But his original point was that a QB like Brees can steal that game on Sunday if he were on the Bills.

 

And i pointed that even with a lousy defence, a hall of fame QB like Brees can't even get into the playoffs.

 

It takes a team to get into the playoffs, not just a very good quarterback.

 

And the Bills with Tyrod being mediocre, have a lousy team around him as well

LOL, Brees won a Super Bowl with a bad defense in '09. 

5 minutes ago, Billzgobowlin said:

Their defense the Super Bowl year was bad.  I don't disagree defense needs to be better but let's not pretend we have a QB that will do anything short of us having the 2000 Ravens defense.

Sorry just saw this. Spot on.

[BillsFan130]

3 minutes ago, GoBills808 said:

LOL, Brees won a Super Bowl with a bad defense in '09. 

Sorry just saw this. Spot on.

No he won a Superbowl with a very opportunistic defence. Including 5 turnovers in the NFC championship game, and a pick 6 to seal the Superbowl against Peyton Manning

9 minutes ago, Billzgobowlin said:

Their defense the Super Bowl year was bad.  I don't disagree defense needs to be better but let's not pretend we have a QB that will do anything short of us having the 2000 Ravens defense.

Their defence was by far the best at creating turnovers. 5 turnovers in the NFC championship game.

 

They gave up yards and points but they consistently forced turnovers the whole year and wouldn't have went to The Superbowl if they didn't create 5 turnovers...