xRUSHx Posted November 5, 2017 Share Posted November 5, 2017 Can't stand the comparisons to other QBs. Tyrod will never ever be a real gamer. He is who is, not good enough. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cripple Creek Posted November 5, 2017 Share Posted November 5, 2017 15 hours ago, MAJBobby said: Rookie thru Three years and SBs Vet with many many more year and same flaws as when left college Technically Tyrod is still a rookie. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xRUSHx Posted November 5, 2017 Share Posted November 5, 2017 How about we compare Tyrod to DWatson, first year to first year. Oops forgot Tyrod was on the bench because Tyrod wasn't good enough in college to be drafted in the first and had to sit 4 years before a bad team traded for him Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cd1 Posted November 5, 2017 Share Posted November 5, 2017 8 minutes ago, xRUSHx said: How about we compare Tyrod to DWatson BRADY, first year to first year. Oops forgot Tyrod was on the bench because Tyrod wasn't good enough in college to be drafted in the first and had to sit 4 years before a bad team traded for him Now that is just plain silly. See how you opened the door to other silly comparisons? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted November 5, 2017 Share Posted November 5, 2017 Aspiring for mediocrity. The buffalo way Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xRUSHx Posted November 5, 2017 Share Posted November 5, 2017 1 minute ago, cd1 said: Now that is just plain silly. See how you opened the door to other silly comparisons? Now it's Brady. Comparing Tyrod to winners, SMH Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
34-78-83 Posted November 5, 2017 Share Posted November 5, 2017 46 minutes ago, rant_and_go_returns said: With TT, you throw out half the playbook. He still doesn't throw over the middle, He CONSTANTLY throws over the middle this season. Old argument. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted November 5, 2017 Share Posted November 5, 2017 Russell Wilson is just really strange sometimes...there are games where he looks worse than Tyrod has ever looked...games where Seattle's offense does literally nothing and scores 6 - 9 points. Then there are games like last week where he puts up almost 500 yards and looks unstoppable. Tyrod doesnt have those games...ever...that's the difference. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bangarang Posted November 5, 2017 Share Posted November 5, 2017 13 hours ago, LA Grant said: It means the Bills have found a QB worth keeping around as they continue to build. What does that have to do Russell Wilson? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Gun Posted November 5, 2017 Share Posted November 5, 2017 45 minutes ago, matter2003 said: Russell Wilson is just really strange sometimes...there are games where he looks worse than Tyrod has ever looked...games where Seattle's offense does literally nothing and scores 6 - 9 points. Then there are games like last week where he puts up almost 500 yards and looks unstoppable. Tyrod doesnt have those games...ever...that's the difference. Carolina? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted November 5, 2017 Share Posted November 5, 2017 1 hour ago, Cripple Creek said: Technically Tyrod is still a rookie. Ha ha ba sure he is Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Real McClappy Posted November 5, 2017 Share Posted November 5, 2017 1 hour ago, Cripple Creek said: Technically Tyrod is still a rookie. I've been trying to avoid TT threads but how does this make any sense? Tyrod is now considered a established Vet 7 years into the league. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cd1 Posted November 5, 2017 Share Posted November 5, 2017 1 hour ago, xRUSHx said: How about we compare Tyrod to DWatson, first year to first year. Oops forgot Tyrod was on the bench because Tyrod wasn't good enough in college to be drafted in the first and had to sit 4 years before a bad team traded for him 1 hour ago, xRUSHx said: Now it's Brady. Comparing Tyrod to winners, SMH Silly, YOU compared first year to first year. YOU stated Tyrod was not good enough to be drafted in first round and had to sit behind another QB. Somehow YOU thought you could PUT DOWN Tyrod by comparing him to a "successful" QB. Unfortunately, you just did not succeed with that logic - or LACK there of... Thank you for playing! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Gun Posted November 5, 2017 Share Posted November 5, 2017 1 hour ago, 34-78-83 said: He CONSTANTLY throws over the middle this season. Old argument. A 5-10 yard middle field throw checkdown is not throwing over the middle. 25+ yard in the air, seem rout over the LBs, is over the middle. Very rarely does the latter if at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted November 5, 2017 Share Posted November 5, 2017 ....a pure statistical comparison leaves out too many variables and is individualistic in a TEAM game......TT sat for four years....beneficial or detrimental versus live action?.....Wilson started as a rook......hard to deny Wilson has had a FAR more stable coaching staff versus TT with the "Real Housewives of Buffalo" ever changing carousel....who has had the better supporting cast?.......who has been to the Big Dance twice and has one ring so far?.......Taylor's stats may be similar, but in his defense has had a tougher road in your year to year comparison...Wilson continues to evolve at a much quicker pace than TT as well.......thank you TJ Graham....ask yourself this: putting closeness of stats aside, which one gets to the Big Dance first from this point forward in your assessment?........... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iron Maiden Posted November 5, 2017 Share Posted November 5, 2017 What is the point of comparing TT to established QB? It doesn't help his case...at all.....Taylor is NOT as good as Wilson....everyone with minimal football knowledge sees it......And 99% of Bills fans would trade TT for Wilson without thinking twice about it..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted November 5, 2017 Share Posted November 5, 2017 Every QB is unique hope that helps Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted November 5, 2017 Share Posted November 5, 2017 3 hours ago, PeterGriffin said: Carolina? No, I meant the games where he takes over and looks unstoppable and carries the team on his back when nothing else is working... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
34-78-83 Posted November 5, 2017 Share Posted November 5, 2017 3 hours ago, PeterGriffin said: A 5-10 yard middle field throw checkdown is not throwing over the middle. 25+ yard in the air, seem rout over the LBs, is over the middle. Very rarely does the latter if at all. Not talking check downs. And you don't get to qualify/ re-invent what over the middle is. Such is the take of just another lazy fan who makes your mind up on a player at first glance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackOrton Posted November 5, 2017 Share Posted November 5, 2017 Where's the playoff comparison? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koko78 Posted November 5, 2017 Share Posted November 5, 2017 13 minutes ago, jmc12290 said: Where's the playoff comparison? Tyrod is undefeated as a starter in the playoffs. Wilson is not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cripple Creek Posted November 5, 2017 Share Posted November 5, 2017 6 hours ago, Real McCoy said: I've been trying to avoid TT threads but how does this make any sense? Tyrod is now considered a established Vet 7 years into the league. Tis a joke. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Real McClappy Posted November 5, 2017 Share Posted November 5, 2017 (edited) 15 minutes ago, Cripple Creek said: Tis a joke. Figured. Another reason why I try to stay away from TT threads with some of the comments I've read in the past on needing more time to "develop". Edited November 5, 2017 by Real McCoy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John in Jax Posted November 6, 2017 Share Posted November 6, 2017 Comparing TT to RW is laughable. Using an auto analogy, TT is like a Nissan Versa and RW is like a Nissan GT-R. I have nothing against TT; he seems like a great guy. But plain & simple, he just doesn't have the skills to be an outstanding NFL QB. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rochesterfan Posted November 6, 2017 Share Posted November 6, 2017 On 11/4/2017 at 6:20 PM, LA Grant said: I felt like this was worth it's own topic rather than it being lost in the 100th page of the other Tyrod thread. Take a look: https://imgur.com/AIlRjGJ Look stats be damned - if you watch the 2 QBs in crunch time there is a huge difference between RW and TT. What makes RW so great is how he plays when he is needed most. He makes plays all over the field and at the end of halves and games - RW throws the ball anyplace he wants and he tends to score as much as anyone and put his team in a position to win. Hell even this weekend he plays terrible most game, but gets the TD to take the lead - His D may lose it for him, but the passes he made on that drive were a thing of beauty. We have seen TT do something similar one time against Miami and the D lost it for him. Most of the rest of the time TT moves it with his legs with a throw here or there. Again TT does what he can, but he is not a franchise QB. He is a bridge QB that when things go well he won’t lose, but he also does not put the team on his shoulders and start flinging dimes to WRs all over the field to get a win. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Gun Posted November 6, 2017 Share Posted November 6, 2017 5 hours ago, 34-78-83 said: Not talking check downs. And you don't get to qualify/ re-invent what over the middle is. Such is the take of just another lazy fan who makes your mind up on a player at first glance. Enlighten me then Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted November 6, 2017 Share Posted November 6, 2017 (edited) 2 hours ago, Rochesterfan said: Hell even this weekend he plays terrible most game, but gets the TD to take the lead - His D may lose it for him, but the passes he made on that drive were a thing of beauty. RW does this quite a bit...and when he looks bad, he looks worse than Tyrod...but he also can take over games in a way that Tyrod can't even dream of... Edited November 6, 2017 by matter2003 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LA Grant Posted November 6, 2017 Author Share Posted November 6, 2017 2 hours ago, matter2003 said: RW does this quite a bit...and when he looks bad, he looks worse than Tyrod...but he also can take over games in a way that Tyrod can't even dream of... I definitely think Tyrod has the ability to take over games, even though he hasn't done it yet, I think he's shown it at times. It's not like Buffalo has been doing a great job of developing him. The lack of consistency on offense -- receivers especially. In his 3rd year here, he's had 3 different head coaches (counting Lynn), 3 different offensive coordinators. None of whom have implemented, in my opinion, the best offense to suit his abilities. Both of Rex's OCs were following his "ground and pound" philosophy -- win on defense, long drives, don't turn the ball over. Tyrod filled that role perfectly. They asked for Trent Dilfer, and Tyrod delivered that with flashes of greatness, moves and throws that make a Dilfer comparison preposterous. Dennison wants to do a version of the west coast offense, which focuses the least on Tyrod's strengths (deep throws, option plays, rollouts, bootlegs with deep routes and checkdowns) and most on his weaknesses (the short game, timing throws). Trading Sammy was good in a number of ways, but the person that suffers the most for it is Tyrod. Just as they start developing a rapport throughout all of Sammy's missed times with injuries, they trade their speedy deep threat. This year, I want to see Tyrod get Benjamin, Clay, Zay, Thompson, and Matthews all out there with him, and a healthy Shady. That alone would be nice to see, just to see if they improve as a group in the way Tyrod himself has been developing even without good help. Probably won't happen this year but I would love to see what Tyrod and this offense could do in an offense that actually suits them -- more like the Chiefs or Texans offense with more screens, options, and creativity. More run n gun. Simpler plays with more options. Why not a K Gun approach with a true 50/50 balance of run/pass? Tyrod and Shady are smart guys that know how they work best -- Jim Kelly wasn't a brain surgeon but he had confidence and knew his strengths and his teammates, he knew who he was going to be on the field with for more than two weeks, and he ran a brilliant no huddle. Tyrod is only in his third year of starting. His age is irrelevant because there's no hard rules about development. All of the best QBs in the league are over 30. Despite the Bills organizational incompetence with Rex/Whaley, he's managed to improve each year, has absurd talent, good awareness/intelligence... he's not perfect, but he's a franchise QB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted November 6, 2017 Share Posted November 6, 2017 Put me down for I don't care anymore Just win the freaking game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marty McFly Posted November 7, 2017 Share Posted November 7, 2017 Thats impressive considering he hasnt had the best WR talent always healthy or on the roster the passed 2 years. Lets see how it plays out. If we dont keep him, i hope he gets a legit shot on a real team, would hate to see him end up on the Browns. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheElectricCompany Posted November 7, 2017 Share Posted November 7, 2017 Tyrod can't hold Wilson's jock strap. How much more slack are we going to give Tyrod? Seriously? This is the 3rd year we have a passing attack ranked 28th or lower in yards. He's fine as a placeholder, but it's a position that should and will be upgraded. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted November 7, 2017 Share Posted November 7, 2017 (edited) 9 minutes ago, TheElectricCompany said: Tyrod can't hold Wilson's jock strap. How much more slack are we going to give Tyrod? Seriously? This is the 3rd year we have a passing attack ranked 28th or lower in yards. He's fine as a placeholder, but it's a position that should and will be upgraded. ...he would have been in prime position to do so but we took Graham instead ...hell they coulda shared a locker and maybe even jock straps...now what?.............. Edited November 7, 2017 by OldTimeAFLGuy 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LABILLBACKER Posted November 7, 2017 Share Posted November 7, 2017 On 11/4/2017 at 5:03 PM, folz said: While being able to sit and learn for four years is a definite advantage over a rookie coming in fresh, NFL people say all the time that you can only learn so much on the bench, you have to get game experience to progress as a QB. Wilson has started now for 5-1/2 years, Tyrod has started for 2-1/2 years. Let's let it play out. Plus, let's not forget the advantages that Wilson had over Tyrod in relation to the situations they were walking into: Tyrod came to a team in the midst of a 17-year playoff drought, with a bad Head Coach in the first year with the team and who destroyed a good defense. Wilson was walking into a team with an excellent head coach in his third season with the team and arguably the best defense in the NFL; historically good---Althon Sports ranks the 2013 Seattle defense (Wilson's 2nd year) as the 4th best ever in the history of the NFL, just behind the steel curtain; Gil Brandt of NFL.com also has that defense 4th best ever...you get the point. Oh, and Marshawn Lynch in his best years. Another point is that Wilson had consistent receiving targets. He's had 5-1/2 years with Doug Baldwin, 5 years with Kearse, 3 years with Jimmy Graham and Tyler Lockett, and 2 years with Golden Tate. They may not represent an awesome receiving corps., but really solid and they were able to build a rapport because none of these guys missed extended playing time due to injuries. Tyrod has not had that stability in his receiving corps, nor no where near the talent when Sammy and/or Woods were injured. In his first 2-1/2 years Wilson had a healthy Doug Baldwin for 38 games. Tyrod had Sammy for 21 games and some of those games he was playing injured. That stuff makes a difference. Too many people look at things in a vacuum. Anyhow, Tyrod is the man for the rest of this year, so why not just take a wait and see approach. With Benjamin now in the fold, I think we'll have a good idea by the end of the year where we are, as a team, with Tyrod at the QB position and which way they'll need to go moving forward. So just sit back and enjoy the ride till then. Give TT Seattle's defense over those 3 years and we probably make the playoffs all 3 years. Wilson is still the better and more polished playmaker. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoTier Posted November 7, 2017 Share Posted November 7, 2017 On 11/4/2017 at 6:40 PM, MAJBobby said: Rookie thru Three years and SBs Vet with many many more year and same flaws as when left college Spreading propaganda again, I see. On 11/5/2017 at 9:52 PM, matter2003 said: RW does this quite a bit...and when he looks bad, he looks worse than Tyrod...but he also can take over games in a way that Tyrod can't even dream of... ... or almost any other QB now in the game except Rodgers or Brady. He's going to be the next elite NFL QB. Not being as good as Russell Wilson isn't such a bad thing ... being only as good as Ryan Tannehill might be, and I think Tyrod's better than that. He's better than many QBs in the league despite the lack of offensive talent and the conservative mind-set of the coaches he's played under with the Bills. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maynard Posted November 8, 2017 Share Posted November 8, 2017 (edited) I watch every Seattle game because I live here and actually root for them to lose. I'll take Wilson over Taylor every time, it's not difficult. Edited November 8, 2017 by Maynard Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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